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Aa Pushing Delta Out  
User currently offlineDfw-man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 218 posts, RR: 0
Posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 737 times:

the reason why delta flights are dropping out of dfw is that american has a strangle hold in the dfw market i am sure most of you know that but a few days ago i saw a posting regarding the drop off by delta out at dfw.aa would never challenge delta in atlanta,its just the big three airlines being terrotorial.delta did give it a shot back in the late 80's and early 90's but it is a no win situation for them in dallas

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User currently offlineHole_Courtney From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 731 times:

DL doesn't need DFW, they have SLC(which has barely any competition, abet from SW) and they have ATL, thier absolute fortress hub. ASA flights have dropped so there is nothing there. I remember a few years ago when ASA slashed half its Texas route system. AA has control of 1/2 of DFW's terminals! At such a huge airport that is beyond amazing! AA also has a bigger Texas route system, the state that mostly feeds into DFW. AE has more Texas service than ASA and DL combined. The only competition AA has at DFW is with CO in IAH. DL had better get out of there before it's too late. Who would want to fly DL anyway, crappy service.


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User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 734 times:

Don't count them out yet. Recovery in the airline business can come very quickly and without warning. Even if American took over Dallas, i don't think it would hurt Delta one bit. You have Atlanta, Orlando, and Cincinnatti to the east. Then you have Salt Lake City and Portland to the west. I don't think the airport authority would allow a take over from american due to the fact DFW has way to many facilities and people who fly Delta out of there.


User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 731 times:

AA is just dumb for doing that, they are getting sued for making low-fare airlines fall, AA is probably just scared that delta will come in a take over, but it will never happen anyways even if delta stays, because I would choose aa over delta any day

User currently offlineDfw-man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 733 times:

even in delta's hay day american still clearly dominated dfw for delta to try and compete would be airline suicide. i am all for delta trying it but i dont think delta needs to get into more profit loses.and since when did delat establish a hub in portland thats news to me

User currently offlineDeltaShuttle From United States of America, joined May 1999, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 731 times:

Somebody asked about Portland so here it is.
Delta has had a hub in Portland since it tried to build a Pacific hub back in the late 80's to early 90's. Surprisingly enough, when I consulted an aviation almanac, United has more traffic(in percentage of overall flights) than Delta even though Delta has a hub there!


User currently offlineDfw-man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 731 times:

not that much of a hub huh

User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 733 times:

I do not consider Portland to be a Delta hub. It is more of a connecting point for a few domestic flights to a few international flights. Similar to what United has in Miami.

User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 731 times:

Hey folks,20% of a market as big as the metroplex area is not bad at all. Yes,that's right,at last count Delta had 20% of the O/D market. 20% of the locals fly Delta. Now if you consider Delta has 123 flights to AA 500 or so,and considering that AA has about 46% of the local market.

Do the research,and look past the numbers,you will be surpise what you will find. Info taken from AirTransportWorld TRADE MAGAZINE OCT,98 page 30.

And if you think Delta has an iron grip on ATL,they only have 46% of the local market there. SURPRISE!


User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 731 times:

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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 731 times:

Look, it's simple. AA controls the midwest and Latin America. DL controls the south-east and Europe. UA controls the West Coast and Europe. NW controls the Upper Midwest and Asia. It's just how they have agreed to do business. The main reason it has come to PanAm. When PanAm went out it was sold to the various airlines. Delta got the trans-Atlantic(with the exception of London routed which went to UA and AA). UA got the Asian routes. AA got the Central- and South American routes. And NW has Asia through incumbacy. The reason DL doesn't control as much of DFW is because they'd rather focus attention on their fortress as ATL. I would highly doubt that any major airline would try to attack DL at ATL, it's simple logic.


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User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 730 times:

Several of your facts are wrong! Here's where you need clarification:

1. AA does not control the Midwest. UA is larger in Chicago.

2. DL does not control Europe. While they are the largest US-based carrier to Europe, UA and AA are right on their heels in terms of both passengers and RPMs. Hardly a "controlling" situation for DL. And then you contradict yourself by saying UA controls Europe?

3. NW does not control Asia. UA is bigger in terms of both passengers and RPMs between the US and Asia.

4. AA did not get any PA routes to London as they all went to UA. AA got most of their London routes from TW.

5. AA did not get any Central/South American routes from PA either. Those, again, went to UA. AA got their routes in that region from EA.

Hopes this info helps to set the record straight.


User currently offlineDfw-man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 730 times:

delta controls a lot more than 46% of the atl market if that were the case it would not be seen as a fortress hub.where ever you got that info from is wrong it should be around 76-80% is what delta controls in the atl market

User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 731 times:

First,I made the correction DL has 63% of the O/D traffic,in other words the people of Atlanta,according to a survey in an airline trade magazine,(not Airways or Airlines),the 63% percent of the local Atlanta traffic picked Delta airlines to fly on. Second,I am not talking about operations,sure Delta has roughly 70 or 80 % of the operations,but I was not stating that.

And if anyone wants to see the survey,here is the info. Air Transport World,10/98. By the way,they named Delta, Airline of the year for 98. So when you see in advertisements Delta bragging about being picked,"Airline of the Year",they are referring to this magazine's award.


User currently offlineDfw-man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 731 times:

thank you for clarifying

User currently offlineN4KHGirl From United States of America, joined May 1999, 297 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 732 times:

It's kinda obvious that AA is pushin DL out, but when i go 2 DFW, DL still has a nice piece of the aiport.

*Camille*


User currently offlineFirstClass! From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 734 times:

Someone mentioned Orlando as one of Delta's major hubs.

No offense, but I would merely call their operations at Orlando a major hub these days. More of a Delta Express hub(not much, since from the midwest one can only connect to flights within Florida).

I was around in Florida when Delta got serious w/ Orlando in late 80's/early to mid 90's. Flights were aplenty and there was also a variety of destinations. If someone has a flight schedule from the "good old Delta days" showing the extensive Orlando schedule please post the destinations DL served at the time from Orlando. I would greatly appreciate it.

BTW, the thing in DL being in Dallas, the airline doesn't have a bad operation as most would think, considering the airline went through hell in Dallas back in the 80's w/ the two fatal crashes.


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