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A310 Dangerous FlyBy (video)  
User currently offlineLH463 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 68 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18475 times:

Hey Everyone,

Came across this video and thought I would share it with everyone. My first impressions is that this was quite dangerous! Just look at how close this A310's wing gets to the ground in the first 20 seconds of the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk&feature=related

Regards


Turning final...
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User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18467 times:

I didnt even check the link but im betting it was the TAP air portugal video at an airshow where the left wing barely misses the ground (by about 20-50 ft) .
Definitley ballsy! ....but amazing nonetheless. It was more fun to watch that than a flyby 250 feet agl.
I cant tell if the plane was supposed to turn so low tho.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18285 times:

The vids from this guy are even better.  Wink

http://www.youtube.com/user/PedroMonteirOliveira


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 18136 times:

Yeah I've seen this video from the other side of the runway. From this angle it looks like it's about to crash:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dK5VOhKk8s


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 17932 times:

yes I think he came way too close and the pilots probably had a lecture from their chief about this.
It reminded me of footage of this B-52 pilot who always wanted to show off too much coming too close to the ground at Flyby's, until he crashed someday.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 17873 times:

I wonder whether that pilot still has his job? Can anyone give estimate on how fast he might have been during the gear-up fly-by?

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17809 times:

Hi!

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 5):
I wonder whether that pilot still has his job?

He almost lost is job with this display...but he begged TP not to fire him, and then, has a punishment he's going to be forced to fly one of the Airbus A310-300's that TP is phasing-out, CS-TEW, from LIS to YUL, on the 2nd. December to Air Transat! But don't worry, he'll not repeat this display in YUL on arrival!!!
regards


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6965 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17700 times:

Didn't we discuss this to death a while back?

CV990, almost lost his job? What happened to the "patriotic support" a lot of our Portuguese members wrote here? And the claims that TAP was proud of his display? Was it there or never there? Coz it's a surprise to suddenly read he almost lost his job...

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17668 times:

Hi!

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 7):
CV990, almost lost his job? What happened to the "patriotic support" a lot of our Portuguese members wrote here? And the claims that TAP was proud of his display? Was it there or never there? Coz it's a surprise to suddenly read he almost lost his job...

Does the word "sarcastic" means something to you??? I thought you were smarter than that!!!
Regards


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17631 times:



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 7):
Didn't we discuss this to death a while back?

Yep.  Sad

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 7):

CV990, almost lost his job? What happened to the "patriotic support" a lot of our Portuguese members wrote here?

Did not see that from me.  Wink

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 7):
And the claims that TAP was proud of his display?

They did? don't remember that.

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 7):
Was it there or never there? Coz it's a surprise to suddenly read he almost lost his job...

He is being sarcastic, but If I was Mr Fernando Pinto or even the Minister of Transport, he would be fired by now. No matter how good of a pilot he is, he should have never risked the lives of others trying to show off.

Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlineUSAir330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 830 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17579 times:

"he should have never risked the lives of others trying to show off."

AirSHOW ..... That's the whole point of an airshow. To show off what you got. I don't think it was intentional. No pilot wants to lose his life over 3 minutes of fame. Now Street racing is a different story! Big grin


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17532 times:

Hi!

Quoting WINGS (Reply 9):
but If I was Mr Fernando Pinto or even the Minister of Transport, he would be fired by now.

I remember in the beginning of TAP, the mentor and responsible for the birth of TAP, General Humberto Delgado, wanted to do the same to a TAP pilot, but in the end he had to back up. Another thing is the fact that Fernando Pinto is a pilot itself and he comes from a family of civil aviation pilots, some of them flew many year for VARIG.
The 2nd. accident that TAP had, on the 8th. June 1948, with a C-47, CS-TDF, was in a test flight commanded by Capt. Maia de Loureiro and during the simulation of failure on one of the engines the plane crashed. Thank God no one died, but it was concluded that the procedures were not the best and right ones for that type of simulation. Was Cap. Maia de Loureiro fired? Of course not! But maybe in the eyes of people here he should have, right? In the end he retired many years latter with the 747.
I'm much more concerned about airlines that have a lack of overall safety, like pilots that fly drunk, crews that are drunk too, airplanes that have a poor maintenance record, airlines that throw back safety issues! It passed 30 years since TAP had the first and last fatal accident with the crash of the Boeing 727-282 Adv. CS-TBR, it was a hard but big lesson for TAP. Now after more than 60 years flying I find that TAP is one of the safest airlines in the world! That's why, once in a while I like to be sarcastic...I have that right no?
regards


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17513 times:



Quoting CV990 (Reply 11):
I'm much more concerned about airlines that have a lack of overall safety, like pilots that fly drunk, crews that are drunk too, airplanes that have a poor maintenance record, airlines that throw back safety issues! It passed 30 years since TAP had the first and last fatal accident with the crash of the Boeing 727-282 Adv. CS-TBR, it was a hard but big lesson for TAP. Now after more than 60 years flying I find that TAP is one of the safest airlines in the world! That's why, once in a while I like to be sarcastic...I have that right no?
regards

Yet he risked it all just to show off. I'm Sorry CV990, we do not share the same view. I still consider the stunt to be reckless and unnecessary.

Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17480 times:

Hi!

Quoting WINGS (Reply 12):
Yet he risked it all just to show off. I'm Sorry CV990, we do not share the same view. I still consider the stunt to be reckless and unnecessary.

I respect your point, but I expect you to respect mine too! Fare enough!
Regards


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17381 times:



Quoting CV990 (Reply 13):

I respect your point, but I expect you to respect mine too! Fare enough!
Regards

That's correct CV990, I respect your view, but unfortunately do not agree with it.  Smile

Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4087 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17327 times:

I don't have a comment on whether or not its dangerous (looks it, but it all depends on how well in control the pilot was at the time), but I just have to say -

Damn, TAP colours look fine on the A310!


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17263 times:

If that was my multimillion dollar plane he was screwing around with I would have fired him.

User currently offlineSBBRTech From Brazil, joined Jul 2007, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17229 times:

FlyBy flights are nothing more than "legalized" show-offs. Did he actually lose control or something? I don't think so, it looked amazing. That pilot deserves some recognition for his skills, no doubt.

Quoting Moo (Reply 15):
Damn, TAP colours look fine on the A310!

Their best livery so far.



"I'm beginning to get the hang of this flying business" - C3PO
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17220 times:

Hi1

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 16):
If that was my multimillion dollar plane he was screwing around with I would have fired him

Yeah, the real fact is that plane is not yours, so.....this getting quite "deja vu" for me, so I think it's time for me to "cruise around" in other topics that look much better than this one! Bye....I gave contributions to this one more than I expected, it's getting boring here!
regards


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17143 times:

It was an Air Show. Would all of you preferred he cruised by at FL350 at .82M? I think it is fantastic. Balls out display of airmanship.

This is the kind of guy you want flying your airplane, like the DHL pilot that landed the A300 that got hit with a MANPAD a few years back.


User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16814 times:

the A310 looks llike such a non agile plane, its great to see this, and what a great pilot!


Saint Augustine- 'The world is a book and those who do not travel, read only 1 page'
User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16190 times:

You see, I loved that. How great would it have been to be a pax on that plane and see the ground that close? Amazing.

I'd like to see that gear up fly-by with an A340, or even the 787, but sadly, I think the odds are slightly against it.

How do you say "bad ass" in Portuguese?


User currently offlineMoriarty From Sweden, joined Jan 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15230 times:

I am a little biased. I enjoy a dramatic video and I enjoy spectacular displays. And the whole point of an air show is to be spectacular.

But pilots getting out of bounds just to show off, isn't that something belonging to the past (good or bad). Haven't we had enough air show disasters?

To me the problem lies in if the pilot did this without approval. The whole point of having regulations is to get some margins and not leave it to one or few persons to decide what's ok or not for themselves. This applies to pilots as well as me taking my car on the highway.

Some time ago here in Sweden we had a fighter pilot doing a little private display for friends and family. Problem was he got too low and had to recover, burning several people with the hot exhaust when pulling up. Safe to say his friends were not too impressed. It could have gone worse though.

A side note, not related to this particular video, but it gets me thinking: I think we will see some rather dreadful effects of internet exposing a steadily increasing stream of videos showing all kinds of risky stunts being pulled off. We will get blunted, craving only more and more spectacular things to get amused. Not to mention people that really shouldn't get an audience will get loads of attention.

Never the less, I spend a significant time watching all kinds of stuff, So who am I to judge others. But I can speak for myself at least.



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User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14963 times:

Seems OK to me , as he was just practising a 31L departure at JFK

littlevc10


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11514 times:

The 1st pass seemed too low.The wing tip was near the ground.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
25 UsAirways16bwi : Was there any crosswind?
26 2H4 : How do you feel about the Thunderbirds, Blue Angels, Snowbirds, et al flying inches from each other during formation rolls at airshows? 2H4
27 Airfoilsguy : They are fighter aircraft that are designed to preform in such a manner. The airbus is just that, a flying bus, it is not designed for acrobatics or
28 Moriarty : Even though it is admitely dangerous, it is still something they train for and I guess they have regulations preventing them from flying over crowds
29 2H4 : In both cases, an inadvertent yoke movement of just a couple of millimeters could easily and very realistically result in a very nasty crash. 2H4
30 MrPorter : I heard that the pilot had his license suspended for quite a while by the authorities not long after they saw this clip.
31 MrPorter : I heard that the pilot had his license suspended for quite a while by the authorities not long after they saw this clip.
32 MDorBust : Yes, but the airshow teams practice and perform their manuvers hundreds of times, drilling every single action over and over again. If this pilot pra
33 Post contains links EarlyNFF : I hope this link finds the original discussions http://www.airliners.net/discussions...sc&search_type=all&search_active=1
34 Jeffry747 : Irregardless of what everyone says, what's done is done. The A310 made that pass low and fast, and we got some sweet video to oogle over. Now if I cou
35 MYT321 : If we're all honest, I bet there's not a guy on here, from commercial pilot to janitor, who wouldn't love to perform that manouvre......if we could ge
36 2H4 : Excellent point! 2H4
37 Post contains images EarlyNFF : I have expressed my opinion on the other thread. Yet he risked it all just to show off. I'm Sorry CV990, we do not share the same view. I still consid
38 EarlyNFF : Sorry for my last posting not differentiating the quotings. Not enough experience here. I would like to see all potential candidates be excluded from
39 2H4 : Dreaming about performing such a maneuver is one thing. Acting on it is quite another. 2H4
40 Birdbrainz : skills yes. judgment no. Absolutely not. I want my pilots to understand the word "discretion." My father flew P-51's, F-84's, etc., and then flew the
41 Post contains images Okie : Looks like a WN taxi to me....... Vref +80 Okie
42 Seafleet : It was an airshow for goodness sake and I trust pilots of airliners not to drive them into the ground even at airshows. For those who lived in the UK
43 Jetdeltamsy : You're right about that. About made me lose my lunch when i watched it. holy jesus.
44 Moriarty : You got me wrong. I was not referring to the airliner pilot. Sure display must teams practice a lot. As they do, they can fly closer and still be wit
45 Birdbrainz : I know this topic has gone a little dead, but I showed that video to my dad who flew flight test for UA before flying the line for 20 years. His thoug
46 Post contains images Viscount724 : This thread reminds me of the following photo of an Air Zimbabwe 707 at an airshow somewhere in Africa, probably in the 1980s.
47 RJdxer : I would love to have seen the FOQUA data on that one and how far the examiners eyes bugged out when he saw it! I was also surprised that the wingtip v
48 2H4 : 91.13....operating in a careless or reckless manner.... will get you every time. 2H4
49 RJdxer : I don't really see anything careless or reckless there. The turn is coordinated, the angle of bank does not appear to be excessive, he doesn't honk b
50 Airfoilsguy : You are right, it wasn't, even though the pilot was attempting just that.
51 Jimbo27L : Could it be that seeing such a manouvere in a passenger aircraft has told our brains that this is dangerous and reckless because we are not used to se
52 ZTagged : Exactly.
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