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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 18788 times:

Just heard over NPR that the wife of missing aviator Steve Fossett has filed a petition with the probate court to declare him legally dead. As he has not been found and been missing for an extended period of time, evidently the family has lost any hope for a positive outcome and decided that it is time to address the matters concerning his estate.


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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 18785 times:

sad ending.

Incredible how in the most advanced nation in the world an airplane can take off for a sightseeing flight and dissapear off the face of the Earth......



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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 18766 times:

For what it's worth, there is plenty of airspace in the US that has less than stellar radar or radio coverage at lower altitudes. Most of these gaps can be attributed to terrain blocking the radio signals. Where he was flying, it's probable that the radar coverage is lacking at lower altitudes.


"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 18778 times:

I think this will always be one of the great unknowns. There will be the theories of course; did he really just want to disappear with a 'bang' - or did something go wrong? Obviously unless the aircraft is found then we will never know - which is certainly sad for the family - but at least being 'legally/officially dead' will bring some form of closure to them.


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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 18753 times:

It's sad, and I'm sure not an easy decision for the family. But I would agree with their decision, it's time to start moving forward for them. I hope it all goes smoothly for them and they find some degree of closure in their decision.

User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 18699 times:

WOW  Wow!

It is shocking to see how a man can simply vanish with an Aircraft, one would think there would be a way to track him thru ATC or speed and direction findings. I really hope Fossett is still alive, he is a great aviator and his "likely" departure would be a sad day, sadly the Media seems to focused on celebrities now. I've been in the Sierra Nevada's didnt think they were so inaccessible or remote.



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 18689 times:



Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):
he is a great aviator and his "likely" departure would be a sad day

Unfortunately, I would bet that his departure occured the same day he didn't return. Hopefully his family can get some form of closure.


User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 18680 times:

Well, once the court has done it's business we'll be discussing him as the late Steve Fossett. With the weather now being encountered in the Sierras, it is unimaginable that he could still be alive this long after the disappearance. Western mountains have ripped large transport category aircraft into unrecognizable shards of metal-it's possible that the destruction of the wreckage was so complete that virtually no recognizable trace of an aircraft remains. .


"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
User currently offlineNuori5084 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 18650 times:

I am still waiting to hear about his new identity.  duck 


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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 18644 times:



Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):
I really hope Fossett is still alive

It's Steve Fossett, not Bear Grylls.



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 18641 times:



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 9):
It's Steve Fossett, not Bear Grylls.

yeah, but I'm convinced he had some sort of survival skills.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 18622 times:

Guess we'll put this in the same filing cabinet as Amelia Earhart. Tragic yet somewhat amazing.


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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 18622 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 11):
filing cabinet as Amelia Earhart. Tragic yet somewhat amazing

although there are some differences, such as being in 2007 and the fact that he was lost over ground instead of at sea.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 18614 times:



Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 12):
although there are some differences, such as being in 2007 and the fact that he was lost over ground instead of at sea.

Two legends in aviation go missing is amazing and interesting enough. Time lines and locations are irrelevant IMO.



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 18611 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):
Two legends in aviation go missing is amazing and interesting enough.

agreed, but it's still a mystery how a man can simply go missing in a rather publicized flight?



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 18599 times:



Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 14):
agreed, but it's still a mystery how a man can simply go missing in a rather publicized flight?

Which makes it even more intriguing.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 18594 times:
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Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 10):
Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 9):
It's Steve Fossett, not Bear Grylls.

yeah, but I'm convinced he had some sort of survival skills.

He was missing the obligatory camera crew though....  duck 



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User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 18585 times:

This proves one thing: flying has dangerous sides even for the seasoned hero.
Sad!

Kay


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 18562 times:



Quoting Nuori5084 (Reply 8):
I am still waiting to hear about his new identity.

Fossett and Cooper are probably having a scotch somewhere.


User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 18494 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 3):
I think this will always be one of the great unknowns



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 11):
Guess we'll put this in the same filing cabinet as Amelia Earhart.

I think we have a helluva lot better chance of finding Fossett's plane's wreckage and figuring out what happened then we do for Earhart.. unless the trekkies among us believe Earhart was whisked away to the delta quadrant..  Wink

Chris



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 18473 times:

He is probably out partying with D.B. Cooper.

User currently offlineKatwspotter From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 18139 times:

Common now, we all know he is off secretly breaking some new world record...lol


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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 18003 times:



Quoting Alberchico (Reply 1):
Incredible how in the most advanced nation in the world an airplane can take off for a sightseeing flight and dissapear off the face of the Earth......



Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):
It is shocking to see how a man can simply vanish with an Aircraft, one would think there would be a way to track him thru ATC or speed and direction findings

There was a way to "track" him -- he could have filed a flight plan for his travels in one of the most desolate regions in North America, and he voluntarily elected not to do so.



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User currently offlineOgre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 17960 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 22):
There was a way to "track" him -- he could have filed a flight plan for his travels in one of the most desolate regions in North America, and he voluntarily elected not to do so.

I think this has been discussed TO DEATH already.



Sigh
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 17914 times:

For all practical reasons and after an exhaustive search, we can assume Steve Fossett is dead. His family needs to have some closure, although without a body, and continue with their lives. Let us hope his important work and influence on modern aircraft engineering will be carried on by others.

25 57AZ : Maybe, maybe not. That's a very sparse area and a small airplane's wreckage could be easily covered, especially if it was a catastrophic crash with s
26 BlueSkys : I agree with some of the people that posted above, he is probably having scotch somewhere. I know the area is VERY sparse, but I find it difficult to
27 HangarRat : Bear Grylls is a wuss. Survivorman Les Stroud does the same thing without a camera crew. /off topic The difference between Fossett and Earhart is tha
28 Post contains links N231YE : Here's a bit of reading, if you're interested: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/27/fossett/index.html
29 Threepoint : In a Super Decathlon? Not much chance it had the momentum to be catastrophic to the degree you suggest. It's more likely that it's just obscured by v
30 Pmk : It is truly sad that such a man is lost to the ages...but I have two things which should be kept in mind. 1. Remember thou art mortal. 2. There are ol
31 MQTmxguy : I'm a 1stLt in the Civil Air Patrol (the U.S. Air Force Auxiliary). I've been on missions very similar to the Fossett search, small plane, no ELT sig
32 PC12Fan : Except how to handle that 100+ G impact.
33 Post contains images MBR1 : I guess like any famous people, he put some mystery at the end.. Sad that all money and technology couldn't help on find him... M.
34 Post contains images Aerofan : He probably wanted to get away from the wifey Don't understand how he could have just disappeared into thin air as it were. Last time I checked the Be
35 Vald : You know when i was reading this, i was thinking the same thing. The plane he was flying can only fly a certain distance val.
36 787EWR : Unfortunately, he could have had a mechanical failure 10 miles from the airport and as someone mentioned above, if it broke up or crashed and desinte
37 SCUMBAG : I heard Steve-A-Reno just appeared in a puff of smoke on the stage of Lance Burtons Vegas act ! Congradulations Steve ! well done and welcome to vegas
38 Seafleet : Life sometimes is understandable and sometimes it isnt. I think it totally unreasonable on this forum to express an opinion other than regret at the a
39 Post contains links Pmk : Actually the wreckage was found as was his body; please see the NTSB report at the link below. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=LAX98FA008&rpt=
40 Tonystan : I hope this does not seem like an inappropriate suggestion however does anyone else think that his disappearance under the conditions are a tad strang
41 DALMD88 : Not really strang at all. These types of accidents happen a lot all over the US. The world media usually doesn't cover them. Guy flys off in a light
42 Arrow : in 1947, a Trans Canada Airlines Lockheed Lodestar carrying 15 people on a flight to Vancouver disappeared. Not until September, 1994, more than 47 y
43 1PHXramper : What a shame to hear Fossett being declared legally dead. I thought that they would have found some clue as to where his final landing place was. I ha
44 1PHXramper : I think I should have reread before post It should say "Heck if the press were all over me 24/7 i would've skipped the country "
45 Ferrypilot : Yes I think he had consistentlly been giving the impression that he was too bold to end his days in bed.
46 Ferrypilot : Anyone doubting the sentiment expressed above consider the next record Steve Fossett had in mind below. Quote is from wikipedia ref. the car "Spirit o
47 CosmicCruiser : I'm sure they tried but having been on a couple of searches for missing planes years ago I can tell you how "un-airplane-like" a wrecked plane will l
48 Ferrypilot : In 1983 and before GPS I ferried a Single Comanche from Stansted in England to Long Beach, California. It was one of those 400hp limited edition mode
49 Post contains links Chuchoteur : I recall a helicopter crash in canada, disappeared off the face of the earth while on a routine training flight in a pretty urban landscape. Was found
50 Post contains images Revelation : She's moving to settle the estate, so he better move fast! Hey, it happened to Gilligan, the Skipper, Maryanne, Ginger and the Howells, so it can hap
51 Post contains links Alfa75 : I believe the most recent issue of National Geographic Adventure (Dec 07/Jan08) has a great article on how the search for Steve Fossett. It is the on
52 Socalfive : Back in 1997 or so there was what I think was a C182 recovered in the Rincon mountains east of Tucson that had been missing for something like 10 year
53 Post contains links HangarRat : It think this is what you're thinking of: http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_i...214X40750&ntsbno=LAX84FA504&akey=1 Here are some others in the NTSB
54 FlagshipAZ : Slightly off-topic here, but how far is Area 51/Groom Lake from the area Fossett was scouting & disappeared from? (insert theme from Twilight Zone her
55 Nwafflyer : One of these days, someone will find - the wreckage/Steve/a major clue -- until then, let his family rest in peace. I would only hope that he was not
56 Ferrypilot : Well I am tempted to ask what were his skills and qualifications as a pilot??? ...Had he ever flown in any capacity as a professional aviator ???
57 BlueSkys : He was a fine pilot, a record setter. No need to question his qualifications, he was more than qualified and a very experienced pilot.
58 Legallykev : Don't you have to wait a full year before you can pronounce somebody legally dead??
59 TSS : I think you're correct, but that's in normal cases where, for example, someone leaves for work one morning and doesn't come home and you have no idea
60 Revelation : I guess that didn't work out so well in the recent case of the guy in the UK who faked his death in a canoe accident and collected the insurance....
61 Post contains images Sketty222 : He's living in a flat in Panama along with the guy from the UK who went missing in his Canoe I think its awfully strange that he didnt want to/ chose
62 Legallykev : Makes sense. Thanks!
63 TSS : A flight plan is only useful if you are traveling from point "A" to point "B", wherein you'd follow a predictable path at a given speed and you'd hav
64 Eksath : Are you aware of that a large number of pilots DO NOT file a flight plan for leisure or sightseeing flights ?
65 Threepoint : Are you saying that only pros are good pilots? The two are not mutually exclusive. There are plenty of non-professional pilots that are better fliers
66 Ferrypilot : As you say you have no idea and neither do I. Really my only point is that employed pilots have almost certainly and frequently had other professiona
67 Nwafflyer : Given the terrain, given the situation, given the plane, given the circumstances -- I don't think Steve Fossett's pilot skills are a necessary subject
68 Threepoint : I absolutely agree. But we have no indication that he wasn't either. Hence my objections to your implications in reply 57.
69 Threepoint : The only thing we know about the above is the type of plane he was flying. All the other variables, plus the human variable as well, are unknown and
70 Post contains images Ferrypilot : I don't think I implied anything, but anyway the following Steve Fossett adventure makes an interesting comparison with the original flight by two Br
71 Threepoint : Yep, I agree. It kind of takes the sport out of it. I liken these 'adventures' to modern-day Native bands hunting whales in the 'traditional' manner,
72 Ferrypilot : Yes GPS makes navigation over the North Atlantic very much easier.
73 TSS : But did Fossett have the benefit of a favorable tail wind? Did Alcock? In a plane that flies as low and slow as that one surely does, small differenc
74 Threepoint : Indeed. Helps eliminate the dreaded reverse homing error from a beacon in NE Labrador on a wintry January night. You wouldn't catch me taking off wit
75 Ferrypilot : Yes of course, but I have also seen a comment in print in a popular aviation magazine that quoted Mark Rebholtz saying that Steve Fossett was often 3
76 ChiefSkyHorse : I am a old Nevada Desert Rat and gold prospector. Steve Fossett's aircraft is in some gully. If the family and Mr. Branson from Virgin really wanted t
77 Ferrypilot : I just checked this article to make sure I was correct, as I read it a long time ago in Sept. 2005 Aeroplane magazine published in the U.K.. ...I was
78 Ferrypilot : Seems to be a bad year for champion glider pilots! Former German National Champion Herbert Weiss died in a crash at the world gliding championships at
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