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FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set  
User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16752 times:

Was on FlightBlogger to see if he had anything about the SW 737 damage, and his most up-to-date post says that the B787 first flight will take place on 03-31-2008.

It looks like he got confirmation through Senior 787 officials. Maybe they will get ahead of schedule and have it flying in Mid-March.

FlightBlogger is great.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ark-your-calendars-787-maiden.html

edit: added URL


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User currently offlineSpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 732 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16482 times:



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Thread starter):
B787 first flight will take place on 03-31-2008.

Let me see... The 31st month of 2008 would be july 2010, which seems like a long time to wait...  duck 
Oh, and did I mention that I HATE "middle-endian" dates?



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User currently offlineLrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16209 times:



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Thread starter):
Maybe they will get ahead of schedule

Good luck with that. Besides I'll be out of school for its Mid-July 1st flight.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16174 times:
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Here is hoping it's true because I want to see her in the air.

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16120 times:

The 7/8/07 rollout publicity stunt looks dumber and dumber every time I get an update on this program's progress. On top of that, my dad retires from Boeing this Friday...so much for that behind-the-scenes access to the first flight that I was looking forward to back in August!


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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8546 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16095 times:
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Let's wait and see, I guess they must feel pretty confident if they actually name a date............

Hopefully this program is getting back on track, that said, this is a totally different kind of plane, other problems are likely to occur, hopefully nothing major.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15770 times:

I think the big news is that section 41 for LN 2 (the next flying air frame) is in da house. I wonder if it has it full flight deck installed?


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15678 times:



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
I wonder if it has it full flight deck installed?

arnt the decks fitted in Seattle?

Has LN001 been fully fitted yet?


User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15605 times:

People really need to get over the whole US vs. the World in how we write the date thing. Seriously. Assembled in USA, date written as such, get over it. Its a date. You get what it means.

User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15534 times:



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 8):
People really need to get over the whole US vs. the World in how we write the date thing

Not really. Just write 31-Mar-2008 or Mar-31-2008 it is completely unambiguous to any reader no matter which order you choose. 31/03/2008 or 03/31/2008 make it harder (slower) for any reader to decode on top of being sometimes unbiguous.



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15488 times:

Wow, just trying to make it in Q1 2008 it seems. Lets hope they make it, they need to.

User currently offlineBingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15409 times:



Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 4):
The 7/8/07 rollout publicity stunt looks dumber and dumber every time I get an update on this program's progress.

I went back through the pictures of the ceremony to see if I could find a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner anywhere...  duck   duck   duck   duck 


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15269 times:



Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Reply 1):
Oh, and did I mention that I HATE "middle-endian" dates?

Well, I prefer big-endian and middle-endian over little endian, so nyah.  Smile



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User currently offlineSirDeath From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14246 times:

Why don't we all use ISO dates then... after all, isn't that why the ISO exists. Seriously, I hope that 20080331 is the "banner" day for the 787. Anyone know when the first GEnx flight is going to happen?

User currently offlineLazybones From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14165 times:



Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Reply 1):
Let me see... The 31st month of 2008 would be july 2010, which seems like a long time to wait...
Oh, and did I mention that I HATE "middle-endian" dates?

Maybe they should have selected 03/09/08 so if it slips again, they could always say "No we mean't September not March!"  Smile

But seriously this first flight puts a lot of pressure on 2008 Deliveries (Assuming that hasn't changed), if Boeing pull off a single delivery for the 787 in 2008. I'll definately be impressed. And no thats not a dig. I think early 2009 would be more realistic for delivery ANA. Lets face it, flight testing of an A/C thats so different to current models should not be rushed.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 4):
The 7/8/07 rollout publicity stunt looks dumber and dumber every time I get an update on this program's progress. On top of that, my dad retires from Boeing this Friday...so much for that behind-the-scenes access to the first flight that I was looking forward to back in August!

Personally i'd agree, they should have rolled out when the engineers said we're ready not the marketing/management people decided. I was very shocked they choose to rollout with temporary fasteners, i'd assume this aircraft would have to be re-fastened before flight.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14165 times:



Quoting Bingo (Reply 11):

I went back through the pictures of the ceremony to see if I could find a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner anywhere...

 rotfl 

I suppose the coincidence of the date and aircraft was too good to pass up, but boy, "rollout" in July and first flight in March? Not how you want things to play out.



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13180 times:



Quoting EI321 (Reply 7):
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
I wonder if it has it full flight deck installed?

arnt the decks fitted in Seattle?

Has LN001 been fully fitted yet?

Flight decks are supposed to be fitted by Spirit in Wichita before they ship the nose to Seattle. LN001 isn't fully fitted yet, but progress is going well from what I hear.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 9):
Just write 31-Mar-2008 or Mar-31-2008 it is completely unambiguous to any reader no matter which order you choose.

Which is why Boeing uses "31-Mar-2008" style dating in all their communications with operators (since they're mostly outside the US).

Quoting Lazybones (Reply 14):
Personally i'd agree, they should have rolled out when the engineers said we're ready not the marketing/management people decided. I was very shocked they choose to rollout with temporary fasteners, i'd assume this aircraft would have to be re-fastened before flight.

Rollout is a marketing/management thing, not an engineering thing. Why should they consult with the engineers? Don't get me wrong, it's goofy to rollout so early that you have to disassemble after the rollout in order to clean the thing up, but there's nothing inherently engineering-y about the rollout...it's PR, pure and simple, and the technical status of the plane is wholly irrelevant to its ability to rollout.

And yes, the temporary fasteners will be replaced with permanent ones before testing begins.

Tom.


User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12837 times:



Quoting Baron95 (Reply 9):
Not really. Just write 31-Mar-2008 or Mar-31-2008 it is completely unambiguous to any reader no matter which order you choose. 31/03/2008 or 03/31/2008 make it harder (slower) for any reader to decode on top of being sometimes unbiguous.

Nope, I'm sticking with "get over it" because we're talking about numerical dating. Of course spelling the month changes everything, but thats not what people are crying about. Numerical dates = get over it. Seriously... get.... over... it. Its a date. If you think we're talking about the 31st month of anything, swallow a knife. Please, do us that favor.


User currently offlineLazybones From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12352 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 16):
the technical status of the plane is wholly irrelevant to its ability to rollout.

I hear what your saying Tom, But I find it bizzare that with such a tight timeframe. It should be decided to make more work for yourselves just to satisfy the 787 date thing. I don't know how much time It will take to re-fasten, but i doubt it would be a trivial "give it to the apprentice job" Surely It would be better to roll something out thats actually ready.

Lets hope the same managers aren't in charge of flight testing  Smile


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6920 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12280 times:



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 17):
Its a date.

Interestingly, all immigration forms in the US require DD-MM-YYYY.


User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12134 times:



Quoting SirDeath (Reply 13):
Anyone know when the first GEnx flight is going to happen?

The GEnx first flew in Feb 07 on a GE 747 flying test bed, which was also used to test the GE 90

"The engine performed extremely well, and we look forward to gaining additional valuable information on the engine's capabilities from flight testing," Tom Brisken, general manager of the GEnx program, said in a statement

Details here: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/304815_dreamliner23.html



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12101 times:



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 8):
People really need to get over the whole US vs. the World in how we write the date thing. Seriously. Assembled in USA, date written as such, get over it. Its a date. You get what it means.

But this is not an American forum although the language is English and many users come from the States. This forum was founded by a guy from Sweden and it has users from all over the world. It is an international forum and you should consider that when posting here.Sure many people know about the American spelling and how dates are written but many people don´t.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12008 times:

So this dates basically the current target date?

User currently offlineWolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11911 times:



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 17):
Nope, I'm sticking with "get over it" because we're talking about numerical dating. Of course spelling the month changes everything, but thats not what people are crying about. Numerical dates = get over it. Seriously... get.... over... it. Its a date. If you think we're talking about the 31st month of anything, swallow a knife. Please, do us that favor.

It sounds as if you are the one who has trouble "getting over" something.


User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 897 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11089 times:

Am I the only one scratching his head when reading that the first major assembly piece for the second flying 787 only now arrived in Seattle?

The compressed flight testing Boeing is planning on relies on the use of multiple frames. Yet, 12 months before the target certification date, they're still working on the first frame and only just starting to get the subassemblies for the second.

Granted, assembly should get faster as production gets up to speed and bugs are worked out, but still, It seems that Boeing has a lot of work to do in the next 12 months...

First delivery by end-2008 just sounds too good to be true at this stage.

Scipio.


25 Cruiser : Don't forget, they have also already been assembling the static test rigs. You could sort of count those... James
26 Scouseflyer : If the sub-assemblies are arriving fully "stuffed" then "snap-together" should be much quicker than conventional assembly but I'm not sure of the lev
27 Stitch : Not surprising since non-US citizens are more likely to use that schema for expressing dates. No, because Boeing intentionally delayed delivery to al
28 KC135TopBoom : Wow, with a 31 March first flight, and an EIS still scheduled for September 2008, that is going to be very tight scheduling.
29 JayinKitsap : Yes, it does seem like everything stopped on the 787 for like 3 months. Possibly it took that long to get enough fasteners of every type so that produ
30 NYC777 : The center fuselage for the fatigue test frame should be in Everett by the end of this week at the latest and they'll start to assemble it soon after
31 Post contains images PA110 : You obviously don't work in the industry! Those of us who have spent our adult lives in the airline business have learned to adapt and compromise! Da
32 TrojanAE : Really, I think it's not a big deal. I'm European and I actually prefer the U.S. date format, although I've been using DD/MM/YY all my life. It makes
33 Jmbarros12 : Exactly. If a non-american had written such issue, mentioning the date on DD-MMM-AA format, probally the americans would have more difficulty to read
34 JoeCanuck : It really must be a slow news day. I think the date thing would only be an issue if you're using a calender with 31 months in it...
35 Jmbarros12 : You´re absolutely right. Let´s go back to the 787 First Flight discussion. Joao
36 777236ER : Favour. Not happening.
37 Post contains links JoeCanuck : Or favor... http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=favor&x=0&y=0
38 SirDeath : I should have been more clear... the first GEnx on a 787.
39 Art : Perhaps you don't fully appreciate the problem. If on a.net I read that new aircraft X is due for its first flight 02/01/2008, I don't know when the
40 Post contains links 777236ER : " target=_blank>http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...0&y=0 Or indeed favour... http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=favour
41 Post contains images GrahamHill : " target=_blank>http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...avour Favour = UK Favor = US Otherwise, I can't wait to see this bird flying. I am counting th
42 RedChili : But what if you misspell it, and write: "The 787 is scheduled for a Mach 31 first flight." People may think the 787 is going into orbit!
43 NYC777 : EIS was revised for Nov.-Dec. 2008 and never for September. 124 days and counting-Monday March 31, 2008. Too bad we can't have a countdown clock for
44 Sh0rtybr0wn : Glad to see a first flight in March. Thats the way it seems to go in the airplane building business these days. The A380 is doing fine now, The 787 wi
45 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : We can't here, but you can make your own. If you go to http://www.timeleft.info/, you can download a small program to get a customized countdown cloc
46 NYC777 : COOL! THANKS!
47 MCIGuy : It's my understanding that the subsequent fames to 0001 will fly in rapid succession after it. As said above, the parts are arrinving far more comple
48 SupraZachAir : As long as we're talking about dates related to Boeing products (dates that generally come from American sources), it'd be nice if it didn't always go
49 Tdscanuck : It's the fourth aircraft to go through the line and, given the amount of pre-assembly that's supposed to happen before reaching Seattle, the delay is
50 SirOmega : The next 787 program update is on Dec 11, right? I think then they should know about how stuffed LN2 is/will be and that will be a big indicator of ho
51 Zentraedi : Screw European format, why not go with the East Asian format? YYYY-MM-DD It's much easier to classify and sort dates when going from largest to smalle
52 JoeCanuck : Screw European floormats...? What does that have to do with the calenders on the 787's...?
53 Post contains images WingedMigrator : Here's an updated milestone comparison with the 777. (and the A380, for the peanut gallery) That's still a very short time between power on and first
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