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User currently offlineLHRGregSE4 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 24 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6979 times:

I'm flying LHR-YOW this January and was wondering how many 767s has AC converted already.

Anyone have any information?

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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6976 times:

The AC website shows 11 of 29 done. Another three are in the shop and at least two of those will be finished by Xmas, and the third in early January, so the number when you fly will be 13 or 14.

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6909 times:

For the record I have done this run many times and have somehow never been lucky enough to be on an XMed one  Sad

YOWza



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User currently offlineN43W79 From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6822 times:

Generally I think that the modified 763s are being locked on the YYZ-LHR, YYZ-FRA routes when flying to Europe. It might be a bit of a wait before YOW will see them consistently.

User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2572 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

OK, I'll bite. What is a -300XM? Since I fly the -300ER for Hawaiian, I though I knew everything there was to know about the 767, but this one is new to me.

HAL



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User currently offlineSiren From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 345 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6778 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 4):
OK, I'll bite. What is a -300XM?

I don't know the answer myself, but I'm guessing it has to do with XM Satellite Radio.


User currently offlineACFA From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6763 times:

XM (Extreme Makeover), an AC designation for aircraft that have undergone cabin interior upgrades which feature AVOD and lie flat seats in international J.

User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6750 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 4):
OK, I'll bite. What is a -300XM? Since I fly the -300ER for Hawaiian, I though I knew everything there was to know about the 767, but this one is new to me.

Hal it's the normal 767-300 that has had the new "xtreme-makeover" interior redesign by AC. New seats and PTV's


User currently offlineN43W79 From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6751 times:

XM is Air Canada's cabin refurbishment program. It involves new business and economy seats with AVOD.

User currently offlineJayhawk From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6749 times:

xm = extreme makeover

Jayhawk


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6749 times:



Quoting Siren (Reply 5):

I don't know the answer myself, but I'm guessing it has to do with XM Satellite Radio.

It is the refurbish of the interior of the aircraft for international flight... Business is overall 180 degree and economy gets private TV?


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6751 times:
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Quoting HAL (Reply 4):
OK, I'll bite. What is a -300XM?

it is AC's own inhouse term for their newly refurbished ( Xtreme Makeover) aircraft , true lie flat beds in J , AVOD PTVs in all seats etc



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3247 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6732 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 4):
OK, I'll bite. What is a -300XM? Since I fly the -300ER for Hawaiian, I though I knew everything there was to know about the 767, but this one is new to me.



Quoting Siren (Reply 5):
I don't know the answer myself, but I'm guessing it has to do with XM Satellite Radio.

Nope. XM stands for eXtreme Makeover. Basically, they put a different product into the B767s (new lie-flat seats in executive first, new economy seats, video-on-demand, etc.) which is equivalent to the product that their newest planes (B777s) have out-of-the-box. They also have a similar makeover program for their narrow-body fleet (A32X).

Tony



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6712 times:



Quoting N43W79 (Reply 3):
Generally I think that the modified 763s are being locked on the YYZ-LHR, YYZ-FRA routes when flying to Europe.

What about LHR-YVR? Will probably be flying this route in the end om February and on AC website do they claim it to be an XM....although I don't really trust it.


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

I flew on one of these, business class, from Maui to Vancouver back in September. I had no idea AC was using them on this run. The lie-flat seat was great because it's an overnight flight and you can sleep. But the window seats are angled such that it's very hard to look out, and you are by yourself -- very hard to talk to your companion. My wife was one behind, and we had to wave hand signals at each other.

If you want to sleep, they're great. But I didn't like the rest of the set-up.



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User currently offlineJMULAH From Spain, joined Nov 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

I' ve flown LHR-YOW 4 times this year and same old 763... I might been unlucky but last time i was on, there was some duct tape around..... Very dissapointing but at least service was just above average. I hope you get better luck!

User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6373 times:

I'm on Zurich-YYZ on Saturday (coming in from BOM on Swiss). I doubt my AC will be upgraded, but I managed to get a bulkhead. Unfortunately there are 4 versions of the 767-300ER for Air Canada including the XMed one. Any chance I can know what version I am on so I know if 12K will be a good seat or not???

User currently offlineCF105Arrow From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6355 times:



Quoting Siren (Reply 5):
I don't know the answer myself, but I'm guessing it has to do with XM Satellite Radio.

Project XM (Extreme Makeover) also happens to include XM radio on every seat.

New cabin features include:

In Executive First, new horizontal fully-flat Executive First Suites in a 'herringbone pattern'.
New cabins in all classes on all aircraft (except the A340s and some B767-200s).
Personal AVOD (8.9" touch-screen LCD) in Economy class (domestic and international) providing over 200 hours of video and audio entertainment. Larger AVOD screens available in Executive First Suites.
Interactive games at all seats.
3-prong 120 VAC plugs for laptops in both classes.
USB ports to recharge iPods, BlackBerry, and other devices.
USB ports for game controllers.
XM Radio Canada available at every seat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6325 times:

Will the 330-300 also eventually be XM'ed? If so, when will they begin on these?

User currently offlineCF105Arrow From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6236 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 18):
Will the 330-300 also eventually be XM'ed? If so, when will they begin on these?

They will be XM'd after the 767 are done because their interior is newer.


User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6206 times:

I flew the 777 from NRT and I did not like the new J Class seats. It lies flat and you can sleep which is what I did but the seats are very narrow and angled in an awkward way and somehow the seats seemed too high for me. All in all this J product is a dud vs. what else is out there in the market today.

User currently onlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6170 times:



Quoting Manu (Reply 16):
I'm on Zurich-YYZ on Saturday (coming in from BOM on Swiss). I doubt my AC will be upgraded, but I managed to get a bulkhead. Unfortunately there are 4 versions of the 767-300ER for Air Canada including the XMed one. Any chance I can know what version I am on so I know if 12K will be a good seat or not???

Go to aircanada.com and do a dummy booking. After you enter your dates you get a list of possible flights. Click the button next to the flight/class that you are on and click for the seat map. Cross reference this against the various 763 seat maps published elsewhere on the website. If you check Biz class this is a good way of seeing if your flight is scheduled to be an XM plane or not. Of course changes are often made at the last minute but it gives you an idea.



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User currently offlineDmanmtl From Canada, joined May 2006, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6103 times:



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 20):
I flew the 777 from NRT and I did not like the new J Class seats. It lies flat and you can sleep which is what I did but the seats are very narrow and angled in an awkward way and somehow the seats seemed too high for me. All in all this J product is a dud vs. what else is out there in the market today.

I tend to agree to some degree with this comment - I recently did YYZ-LHR on a 77W in J and although the service is great and the plane is awesome (I love the self serve Bar!), the seats are narrow. I'm not a huge guy but 6'1'' and about 190lbs and I find the seats a little small - I can't stretch out completely and the side to side room is tight, also feels a bit like you are in a box when fully reclined.

I flew back on an A330 and although the seats don't recline completely, the open space and width of the seats is nice.

I'm still not sure which I prefer. I am doing YUL-HKG and back in Jan - outbound on a 77L from YYZ and back through YVR on a 343 - this should give me a good comparison due to the length of the flight.

D In Mtl


User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

The XM aircraft don't seem to be as locked to certain routes as previously said in other threads. I flew SCL-YYZ on monday and it was on an XM aircraft (fin 633) And since I also managed to upgrade it was a fabulous flight!
Though 3 weeks earlier on the way out there was a non-XM one on that route (the Free Spirit one, very old ex-Canadian interior)

IM


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

I think this thread qualifies for the award for the most number of people saying the same thing in a row. Either that or everyone was answering simultaneously.

Personally I am finding these new first class "pods" a little claustrophobic. I also think I would feel the same way for the "suites". The suites to me seem a bit like flying in a very well appointed washroom cubicle. I like to look out the window and the pods and certainly the suites block site lines. Mind you I don't sleep well on aircraft anyways so the privacy is not an issue for me. I think I actually prefer the standard first class with laydown seats but no barriers.


25 FLYACYYZ : And interestingly, the thread seems to be reflective of AC travelers. Essentially the same herringbone angled suites are found on Virgin, Air New Zea
26 Ayqzbr : This does work but usually only a day before the flight. In mid October, I flew from YYZ to SYD, and realized when at YYZ that the A/C at my gate, FI
27 FLYACYYZ : The which aircraft am I going to get million dollar question, will only become a non-issue once the entire fleet has been "XM-d". While every effort i
28 Post contains images AuroraLives : Given that posts 6-11 were all done within a 53 second span, simultaneousness looks like the right call here
29 YYZatcboy : Funny though eh? How long does it take to XM a 763? I read somewhere it was taking 2-3 months to do an A32x, but I think they were repainting and doin
30 Dmanmtl : The last time I was on one of the XM 320s, I tried to figure exactly what had changed. It seems to me that the seats are all the same frames but just
31 BeechNut : Well, 6 of the replies were within 53 seconds of each other, so there were plenty of AC buffs active late yesterday afternoon! Beech
32 Yfbflyer : It's not actually satellite radio. The audio channels are programed by xm radio now.
33 FLYACYYZ : The seats both J & Y are completely brand new - I believe manufactured by Contour Seating (same people who manufacture the J/C suites). The plane was
34 CayMan : As to the narrow bodies is it true that most of the 320s have been done, but few of the 319s or 321s have been started? Any chnace any of the over wa
35 Viscount724 : AC shows the following XM status as of November 21: Completed: 763 - 10 319 - 24 320 - 30 321 - 3 In progress: 763 - 3 321 - 3
36 SB : I got to try out the new J in YUL when the first 77W arrived and I really wasn't impressed. The seats are worryingly narrow and the dividers too high
37 FLYACYYZ : I'd have to go back and check, but at least two of the A319's had been XM'd last year to coincide with the YYT-LHR flights, which proved financially
38 CayMan : From previous threads I seem to recall that only certain 319s in AC fleet were able to do YYZ POS CCS, not because of any ETOPS issues but because of
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