Bok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2805 times:
Was it international? I know you are not allowed to take more than $10,000 out of the country without a declaration, but that seems like an issue for Customs and Immigration. Maybe they were concerned with something being hidden in the money? However, if this was a violation of rules, it wouldn't surprise me that this would occur .
VC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 959 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2766 times:
Quoting Bok269 (Reply 1): that seems like an issue for Customs and Immigration.
True, but if someone is illegally carrying very large sums of cash (say, someone involved with narcotics smuggling) and Customs and Immigration don't catch it, surely TSA is another line of law enforcement and defense against potentially dangerous passengers. Just my $.02.
Star_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2758 times:
I can't see how this is under the authority of the TSA at all. I would have very loudly and very clearly told them to put it down, it's nothing to do with them.
People are WAY too compliant sometimes just because someone has a "law enforcement" title.
Bok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2737 times:
Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 4): It was only 3k, not over 10k. They counted the money in front of everyone.
I realize that. My thought was maybe they were trying to count it to verify that it was not more than 10k.
Ilovepabst From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 98 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2728 times:
Was this checked baggage they searched or a carry on at the security checkpoint?
Legacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1823 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2728 times:
Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 4): It was only 3k, not over 10k. They counted the money in front of everyone.
It was probably counted so there would be no confussion if some of the money ends up missing.
VC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 959 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2695 times:
Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 8): Shouldn't TSA worry about bombs, knives, etc and not how much money you carry?
Sometimes the guys with way too much cash know way too much about bombs and knives. If you're so ticked off, file a complaint with someone.
Boston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2677 times:
If there are rules on how fast you can drive in a certain area (i.e speed limits), than the police certainly have a right to check how fast you are going to be assured you are not breaking the law.
If there are rules on how much money you can take out of the country, than TSA (or whoever) have a right to count the money to be assured you are not breaking the law.
"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
Kstatepilot From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2668 times:
Quoting Boston92 (Reply 10): If there are rules on how much money you can take out of the country, than TSA (or whoever) have a right to count the money to be assured you are not breaking the law.
Yes but how many TSA agents actually know how much money you can take in and out of the country? Also how do they know you haven't declared it? Also how does the screening agent know you are going out of the country? They don't see your ticket.
What about airport codes? do they know that GDL means Guadalajara Mexico and not Glendale CA?
BlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1868 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
it's pretty hard to pass judgment based on an isolated incident.
that said, it does seem the freedoms both citizens and visitors to the US usually enjoy are being encroached on by organized groups like the TSA.
again, isolated incident, but counting money....toe nail clippers....making life miserable at airports.... the list seems to grow longer of the difficulties created, and the gain, hardly measurable.
Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2616 times:
Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 8): Shouldn't TSA worry about bombs, knives, etc and not how much money you carry?
Fully agree with you. TSA has nothing to do with how much money you carry. That's what customs are there for.
TSA should focus on security instead.
My wife found a Swiss army knife in her purse some days after she flew LAX-SIN. One of our kids had put it there the week before and it was forgotten. TSA at LAX for sure missed it!!!!!!! Scary to see how useless they are.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7976 posts, RR: 27 Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2483 times:
It's not like they tried to confiscate it, so what? Let the TSA count your money, be done with their little power trip, and be on your way. Heck, you could hide a blade or a packet of something in a stack of cash... if it's in your carry on they have a right to check it.
Eghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2481 times:
Quoting Star_world (Reply 3): I can't see how this is under the authority of the TSA at all. I would have very loudly and very clearly told them to put it down, it's nothing to do with them.
People are WAY too compliant sometimes just because someone has a "law enforcement" title.
Tell that to the woman who died under TSA custody in Phoenix. Or the man the airport police shot dead in Miami. Or the man tasered to death in Canada.
Like it or not, when I fly I say "yes sir" and "no sir" to all the security/customs/immigration officlals I meet. I do not argue, complain or anything else. Who wants to go through a strip/body cavity search by some burly official hired out off the street with little background check?
Star_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2448 times:
Quoting Eghansen (Reply 18): Tell that to the woman who died under TSA custody in Phoenix. Or the man the airport police shot dead in Miami. Or the man tasered to death in Canada.
Like it or not, when I fly I say "yes sir" and "no sir" to all the security/customs/immigration officlals I meet. I do not argue, complain or anything else. Who wants to go through a strip/body cavity search by some burly official hired out off the street with little background check?
Well how is the rest of the world different then? The US is the only first-world country I am regularly in where I see this behaviour from the average people - the look of terror in their eyes if someone in a uniform so much as looks at them.
Maybe if more people didn't put up with it they wouldn't get away with being overgrown school bullies...
PHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 412 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2441 times:
Quoting Eghansen (Reply 18): Tell that to the woman who died under TSA custody in Phoenix. Or the man the airport police shot dead in Miami. Or the man tasered to death in Canada.
Like it or not, when I fly I say "yes sir" and "no sir" to all the security/customs/immigration officlals I meet. I do not argue, complain or anything else. Who wants to go through a strip/body cavity search by some burly official hired out off the street with little background check?
I don't know what newspaper you read, but the TSA had nothing to do with that woman or her death. She was in the custody of the Phoenix Airport Police. They were called to the gate area to deal with her by US Airways personel after she became disorderly when she missed her flight.
Also, the man in Miami was shot by a Federal Air Marshal after saying he had a bomb in his bag, disregarding orders to lay on the ground and reaching into his backpack, making the FAMs believe he really did have a bomb or weapon.
ScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
Quoting N766UA (Reply 17): It's not like they tried to confiscate it, so what? Let the TSA count your money, be done with their little power trip, and be on your way. Heck, you could hide a blade or a packet of something in a stack of cash... if it's in your carry on they have a right to check it.
i think the issue is not that they actually counted it, but that they counted it in front of everyone and thus let everyone know that he was carrying that kind of cash on him.
Copter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 752 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 20): I don't know what newspaper you read, but the TSA had nothing to do with that woman or her death. She was in the custody of the Phoenix Airport Police. They were called to the gate area to deal with her by US Airways personel after she became disorderly when she missed her flight.
Also, the man in Miami was shot by a Federal Air Marshal after saying he had a bomb in his bag, disregarding orders to lay on the ground and reaching into his backpack, making the FAMs believe he really did have a bomb or weapon.
Well put! TSA bashers tend to blame them for everything! I'm as frustrated with them as anyone, but they have an unpopular job to do.
Yfbflyer From Canada, joined Sep 2006, 294 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2414 times:
Quoting Boston92 (Reply 10): If there are rules on how much money you can take out of the country, than TSA (or whoever) have a right to count the money to be assured you are not breaking the law
The TSA in no way should be counting your money. Now there is nothing stopping them from saying" we are looking through the money to ensure there are no weapons concealed inside"
Aerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1515 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2409 times:
They do not have the right to count your money, unless the money was made with explosives.
He should have told them to concentrate on what they are supposed to be doing.
25 Eghansen: Irregardless of who was to blame, I do not wish to be next. So I have learned when traveling to look at TSA agents and flight attendents with the app
26 TVNWZ: TSA has the right to inspect anything you bring through sexurity. Period. Argue with them if you must, but you may either, miss your flight, or get an
27 RedChili: False. The TSA is, in their own words, "mandated by law to appropriately screen air travelers to ensure that certain items and persons prohibited fro
28 AF340: He was obviously on the return leg but at the departing airport. AF340
29 Bennett123: I find it scary that not only are the TSA allowed to behave this way, (there have been numerous threads) but that US Citizens regard being scared of t
31 Tonytifao: He was going thru regular airport security. he counted the money in front of everyone. He said he was clearly being a dick abou the situation, asked h
32 LHRBlueSkies: Unprofessional move on the part of the TSA. It should have been done in private, with both a TSA supervisor and if required, the pax would have a wit
33 VC10DC10: How do you know they aren't trained to know? If you can remember them, why can't they? If you tell me that TSA gate agents are all high school dropou
34 Maverick623: I rather think it's US Citizens being afraid of the hassle that said authorities can cause. Arguably just as bad, but we're certainly not worried abo
35 VC10DC10: Perhaps, but why make a scene? You'd probably miss your flight.
36 Maverick623: Because it needs to be brought to a superior's attention when an employee oversteps their boundaries, especially when said employee is employed by th
37 VC10DC10: Who are you saying lacks a proper civics education: the employees and superiors, or that people who would prefer to avoid confrontation at the securi
38 Star_world: What a ridiculous, ignorant response. The answer to that question is blatantly obvious. There is no excuse for "power-trips", minor or otherwise and
39 Freshlove1: You as a passenger have the right for private screening by the TSA. If TSA wants to check your personal items that you are bringing through security
40 Aerofan: Star_World, You will soon come to learn that the supposedly American bravado, is false bravado at best. We, like everyone else are just as scared of t
41 Maverick623: If you're suggesting that people are scared of the TSA, I daresay you need to deal with them a little more often. All bark, no bite.
43 Mir: Not necessarily. There are such things as jurisdiction. TSA does not do the work of Customs - that's what Customs is for. If TSA suspected that he wa
44 JettaKnight: I don't believe that their intent is to determine your destination. I think that they're only checking to see if you've been flagged by the airline f
45 Analog: By counting the money the TSA is essentially acknowledging that it's money, which is not a prohibited item. Counting the money does nothing towards do
46 Silentbob: Law enforcement agencies across the US can confiscate large sums of cash from everyday citizens. It is then incumbent upon you to prove that the mone
47 AirframeAS: People are not scared of the TSA, people are sick and tired of the BS that the TSA screeners pull. The TSA is there to check for prohibited items to
48 Analog: I agree that LEOs can essentially steal your money and property, but how does that relate to the TSA counting cash? A TSO is not a law-enforcement of
49 Bok269: They were going through the content of a passengers belongings. That is fully within the scope of their duties. Did the screener in question mouth ou
50 Silentbob: It may not be part of their job description but they can/will do it until a court tells them they can't. In reality, those court cases telling them w
51 Analog: Do you mean that the TSA was searching for contraband in the stacks of cash? What can be concealed in a stack of bills? What's next, flipping through
52 Bok269: Concealed blade or knife, perhaps? Drugs?
53 TVNWZ: Again, ANYTHING you bring through screening is subject to search by the TSA. Complain if you wish. I have witnessed it. And I have witnessed people be
54 Analog: How does COUNTING money help find these? Leafing through the money might help find a really thin knife blade that doesn't show up on an xray, but wha
55 Zentraedi: Actually, you're not really even allowed to travel anywhere domestically with more than $10,000 cash. If you do, the police can arbitrarily seize on
56 Bok269: All the OP said was that they counted the money. His brother could have interpreted leafing through it as counting it. Or they could have been coutin
57 Zentraedi: How can bricks of cash be construed as a concealed weapon?? I'm not arguing that the TSA shouldn't be able to check the contents, just saying warning
58 BA: But how does the TSA know that you are traveling on an international flight and not a domestic one? Departures in the US are combined for both domest
59 Analog: It doesn't matter if transporting large sums of money is illegal. It's not the TSA's job to enforce that. If they happen to accidentally discover > $
60 SASD209: lol.... I can assure you that the average US flyer is anything but terrified of these folks. The fact is, other than the TSA, the REAL law enforcemen
61 Bok269: By slipping some kind of small blade in between the bills? Just a possibility. I am pretty sure the TSA will search for contraband (ie, if someone co
62 Eghansen: Actually, according to their website, it is the TSA's job to assist law enforcement in detecting any illegal activity. The following two stories were
63 Analog: If they suspect a crime, they report it to a LEO (and take credit if the hunch was correct). That's how it should be. LEOs are loafing around the ter
64 Eghansen: It is possible that TSA should not be doing any investigations themselves, but it does help pass the time of day in what otherwise must be a very bor
65 Luisca: And slowly but surely we let the government take more and more and more of our personal freedoms, what will we have left in this country in 15-20 yea
66 Bok269: Within reason, they will look to find contraband...obviously the above is not within reason. They also probably wouldn't test a suspicious white powd
67 Luv2cattlecall: And sometimes the guys with socks between their feet and their shoes hijack planes...what's your point? Saying "I have a bomb in my bag" is slightly
68 TVNWZ: That's why they call it terrorism. So, what you just layed out is accomplished. Too bad for us.
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