I'd like to begin with a question which probably no one can answer. But let's guess and discuss. As the the 350 and 787 are selling so well and LH/LX will have to replace a lot of long-haul frames in a few years, when do you think will LH and LX decide? To get enough delivery slots from about 2014 on there is probably not much time left. What are your thoughts?
SandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3385 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15901 times:
I expect them to decide early next year, and I expect them to go the A350 way. Both LH and LX will still have a relatively young Airbus fleet (minus LH's A343s) for the years to come, so they are in no hurry to get replacements, meaning they can patiently wait for the A350 to come online.
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5544 posts, RR: 40 Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15893 times:
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 1): I expect them to decide early next year, and I expect them to go the A350 way. Both LH and LX will still have a relatively young Airbus fleet (minus LH's A343s) for the years to come, so they are in no hurry to get replacements, meaning they can patiently wait for the A350 to come online.
I absolutely agree. I also think that they decide for the 350. For Swiss I see some 350-800 and some 350-900, probably up to about 30 frames. In the future they could also need the -1000 for routes like JFK (remember in the old days Swissair had two daily 747 flights to JFK).
The airbus fleet is relatively young (specifically the when the 333 come), but I think LH needs to reserve delivery slots from about 2014 or 2015 on.
SandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3385 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15874 times:
Quoting ZRH (Reply 2): For Swiss I see some 350-800 and some 350-900, probably up to about 30 frames. In the future they could also need the -1000 for routes like JFK (remember in the old days Swissair had two daily 747 flights to JFK).
Agreed!
30 aircraft seems like a reasonable number, provided some healthy growth is taking place over the next few years. They could order -800s and -900s with the option to convert to -1000s if they see the need.
Legacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 28 Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15743 times:
Our little airport in Berne seems to be trough the worst as well. The runway extension should be finished right for the Euro 08.
The works on the runway are already in progress. The new DME has been installed and calibrated the last week, results should be out pretty soon. Then the ILS will be shut down by the end of February, right after the publication of a second back up NDB/DME procedure. So the runway should be available for the Euro 08 and for the summer the airport will have two approach procedures, one the old "3 NDB" procedure and as a back up the new NDB/DME. Then by end September the new ILS should be calibrated and have it's 1000 hours of operation, what is a requirement to allow approaches with. By this time then the old "3 NDB" approach will be shut down.
A number of charter flights are already planned, one of the strong players in the football market seems to be Hamburg International with the B737. Then from May on Tunisair and Karthagoo are serving Bern once weekly each with B733 and B735 resp. one of them coming from Djerba, the other one from Monastir. Eventually they will add a third flight during peek season, depending on the demand.
Skywork Airlines is expecting it's Q400 which will join the actual Do328. SRK is planning so an extensive charter program out of BRN for the whole summer, offering a variety of destinations.
Darwin will again fly several destinations as charter and will so have a SB20 from FRI to MON in BRN for the summer period
Lufthansa will switch all it's MUC - BRN - MUC flights from the Q300 to the Q400 and adding a fourth flight. This will basically double it's capacity and hopefully lower the ticket prices on this excellent connection trough MUC. The fourth flight will arrive in BRN somewhat around 9 a.m. and giving so plenty of connections in MUC from long range flights right to BRN.
Finally the big hope of the airport is BA who plans a daily LGW - BRN - LGW with an A319. Negotiations with BA resulted pretty well and obviously they come to sign the whole story with BRN - Airport mid January. This flight would tie up with the flights we had for nearly twenty years with Dan Air London, which ended 1992 when BA took over Dan Air. Depending the schedule BRN could for sure get some nice connections trough LGW. Finally BA is obviously looking at several airports Sky Team and Star Alliance aren't in yet or not that strong. Star is in BRN with MUC but sure, nothing else.
If this all will work out well - me and others are this time pretty positive for - winter 08/09 and then summer 09 will become very interesting as well. But to name all those projects yet would be to vague as nothing is decided yet. Anyhow, I would not be surprised to see one day LX back in BRN, as they also went back to BSL, once realizing what a market they left behind.
So the signs in BRN are better than long ago. Let's keep the fingers crossed!
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2107 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15677 times:
Quoting ZRH (Reply 2): I absolutely agree. I also think that they decide for the 350. For Swiss I see some 350-800 and some 350-900, probably up to about 30 frames. In the future they could also need the -1000 for routes like JFK (remember in the old days Swissair had two daily 747 flights to JFK).
30 sounds like a realisitc number by 2015. Hence it will be interesting to see if we will get any long haul fleet increase over the next few years, maybe an increase in ther A333 order or purchsing more A343's on the 2nd hand market? Probably LX will also focus in future more on the frequency than capacity factor on the NY market. I wouldn't be suprised that we will see LX operate the EWR flight soon again with their own metal and not as a Business Class flight by Privatair.
I am also wondering what will happen to LX's short / medium haul fleet I could also so see by 2015 around 30 planes for Swiss European. At the momment there are 20. Up too 40 A32S for the Swiss International short haul fleet and currently there are 32 or at least there will be when the Euro 08 logo jet (A320) will join the fleet next week. There are 2 further brand new A320's ordered to arrive in 2011 but I would assume that more planes will be added to the fleet over the comming 3 or so years also. We shouldn't forget, various european destinations are currently operated by wetlease partners, eg Helvetic and Cirrus, I doubt this will remain always like that.
Quoting RJ100 (Reply 10): Anyway, finally good news for BRN.
Indeed, I agree if the LGW flights become reality. It seems that the BRU flight got cancelled at some days. Not sure what the reason was. Not enough passengers or technical. Maybe someone else has more insight.
LHBSL From Switzerland, joined Mar 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15518 times:
Hi all...
Some Infos concerning the evaluation of A350 or B787:
during last p-meeting with a big boss (not "the" big boss...) we were told that LH is not yet happy with both, the A350 and the B787. They will wait some months more before the order. They hope that some companies who already ordered the aircrafts wil resign and that LH/LX may take the delivery slots...
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5544 posts, RR: 40 Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15509 times:
Quoting LHBSL (Reply 14): Some Infos concerning the evaluation of A350 or B787:
during last p-meeting with a big boss (not "the" big boss...) we were told that LH is not yet happy with both, the A350 and the B787. They will wait some months more before the order. They hope that some companies who already ordered the aircrafts wil resign and that LH/LX may take the delivery slots...
Thanks. Sounds interesting. Did they say what about they are not happy with the 787 (probably too small) and the 350?
LHBSL From Switzerland, joined Mar 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15502 times:
Quoting ZRH (Reply 15): Did they say what about they are not happy with the 787 (probably too small) and the 350?
They didn't quoted out something particular about the A350, the B787 has still some problems, so it shall be still 6 tons heavier than it should be... Thats the Info's I got...
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2107 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15427 times:
Quoting LHBSL (Reply 16): They didn't quoted out something particular about the A350, the B787 has still some problems, so it shall be still 6 tons heavier than it should be... Thats the Info's I got...
Is it possible to see a split order between the B787 and A350? For instance all planes aimed for LX will be A350's and LH will split the order for themselves with 50% B787 and the other 50% with A350. Or is the choice going to be only A350 or B787?
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5544 posts, RR: 40 Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15404 times:
Quoting LXA340 (Reply 17): Is it possible to see a split order between the B787 and A350? For instance all planes aimed for LX will be A350's and LH will split the order for themselves with 50% B787 and the other 50% with A350. Or is the choice going to be only A350 or B787?
I think, if the size and other important specifications (range etc.) of one family (350-800, -900, -1000 or 787-8, -9, -10) meet the demands of LH/LX they will only buy from one manufacturer, if not they split.
LHBSL From Switzerland, joined Mar 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15399 times:
Quoting LXA340 (Reply 17): Is it possible to see a split order between the B787 and A350? For instance all planes aimed for LX will be A350's and LH will split the order for themselves with 50% B787 and the other 50% with A350. Or is the choice going to be only A350 or B787?
Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 18): I think, if the size and other important specifications (range etc.) of one family (350-800, -900, -1000 or 787-8, -9, -10) meet the demands of LH/LX they will only buy from one manufacturer, if not they split.
I think the same way as ZRH; it wouldn't make sense to split an order for "almost" similar aircraft. It only makes the maintenance costs rising.
Legacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 28 Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15366 times:
Quoting RJ100 (Reply 10): @Legacy135: Will this LGW-BRN-LGW flight be year-round or only a seasonal winter service? And how's the BRU service doing?
Hi RJ100,
Sorry for the late reply, I was out for dinner In fact the LGW service is planned year round. The BRU one is not performing that well in regard of passenger numbers, but it's ok yield-wise as most of the tickets are full fare. The "Bundesreisezentrale" is the best customer, as many passengers are government employee. Actually Sun Air does cancel the flights relatively often if bookings are weak, but this is no problem as long as they perform well on the flights they do.
As the aircraft comes from BLL trough BRU to BRN the first flight in the morning is simply to late to make it a real performer. They try to optimize but I did not hear anything yet about a halfway good solution.
What may get real interesting is the charter schedule for winter 08/09 and then the one for summer 09. Let's see
It looks quite funny. You can see a lot of flags, Hopp Schwiiz and "Airline for all Fans". But I miss a reference to the EURO 2008. I did not find a title.
BTW there is now a special thread about it: Swiss Special For Euro 2008 (Pic)
IJM looks great covered in Swiss flags. It's a really nice idea to have this theme for Euro 2008. I was able to see the naming ceremony in my break and am now looking at her through the windows in Airside.
The aircraft is off to GVA at 1300
Greetings
Infodesk
"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2107 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15216 times:
First day of scheduled A340 flights to ORD with a 3 Class seating. Anybody know why LX097 from SCL / GRU got cancelled, did plane go tech in south america?
25 ANITIX87: HB-IJM is going to drive some people crazy. So much for Swissair only being able to display the flag on the tail, haha. Looks like LX is taking full a
26 SandroZRH: Interestingly enough, LX52 is operated by A332 HB-IQK today, albeit with the new schedule. Just saw it head west on the radar.
27 SULUK: Probably a consequence of yesterdays cancelled LX97 SCL-GRU-ZRH due to a hydraulic leak on the spoiler actuator. A/C involved was HB-JMI which stayed
28 LXA340: shouldn't BOS remain on a mix of 2 / 3 class A330 flights for the time being and just receive the A340 from the summer timetable 08?
29 Fralim: I thought you guys might be interested, HB-IYU has been repaired and was "floated" back across the dock in LCY yesterday. It is supposed to do engine
30 ZRH: Thanks. Finally, I was always wondering when it will be back.
31 SandroZRH: Thanks! Good news, LX needs the aircraft back in service.
32 AntonovA330: Sweet. Any infos about what exactly had been done?
33 FelixZRH: There is a new thread concerning Swiss aviation: Dornier 228/328 News: Production Re-start Etc (by Flying-tiger Dec 3 2007 in Civil Aviation) RUAG is
34 ZRH: You are right: These quotes are from the RUAG page: http://www.ruag.com/
35 ZRH: Short online note on the page of the free newspaper "20min": In the first 11 months of 2007 Swiss carried 11 mi passengers. In the entire 2006 they on
36 LXA340: good news for LX, let's hope this trend will continue in the years to come
37 Joelatbsl: HB-IYU arrived back home in Basel this afternoon. It did look as splendid as ever before, just like there had never happened an incident... And there'
38 SandroZRH: aka DAT? (Danish Air Transport) Are these flights operated by EAT/European Air Transport?
39 RJ100: Its nice to see some more cargo flights into BSL, especially from DHL which has a part of its worldwide headquarters in Basel. Since my dad will work
40 Joelatbsl: As far as I know, DOT is the lithuanian subsidiary of DAT. The flight today will be operated by all-white ATR-72 LY-ATR. The EAP website shows BCS/QY
41 Swissy: Very good news but it makes me feel old , the good old days of the Convair580 are over ....... I wish your dad all the best with DHL, I have worked f
42 OA260: Hi all well I had another fantastic LX experience last weekend. Really was great. Also loved the markets in Zurich HB . My pics can be viewed here :::
43 SandroZRH: Hey nice TR, glad you enjoyed LX again
44 ZRH: Switzerland will join the Schengen Treaty in October 2008. Till then the airports will have to separate the Schengen and non-Schengen passengers. Zuri
45 RJ100: easyJet has begun to release the summer timetable. As usual BSL sees additional flights in the summer due to seasonal demand changes on some routes: -
46 FelixZRH: The Swiss Federal Council (Bundesrat) is to allow civil traffic in Payerne (LSMP) http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/schwei...aerflugplatz_payerne_1.595593
47 HBDAN: I know someone who could sell it as GVA (north) Regards, HBDAN
48 Lionel: Seriously, I could imagine to fly there myself (from Speck-Fehraltdorf) because I have friends there. However, I could imagine it to be difficult to
49 FelixZRH: And about BRN west. But Bern is too less known in the world
50 Helvknight: Signed Pe@rson On a slight tangent, I did wonder why FR have never served ACH - is the runway too short? It would almost certainly be marketed as ZÃ
51 Joelatbsl: Altenrhein's runway is definitely too short to accomodate B737s. It's some 1500m long and even a Fokker 100 cannot depart there without serious payloa
52 OceansWorld: Today, GVA has welcomed for the very first time in a single year its 10th million passenger. Since 1922, the airport has also welcomed a total of 251
53 LXA340: Not even the Avro can take off from ACH without any restrictions. As far as I know on a flight from ACH to GVA a Avro in LX configuration could be lo
54 Helvknight: Ah OK, didn't know that. 1500m is short. No wonder the only commercial flight they see is the OS flight to VIE using lawn darts. I am surprised we do
55 Viscount724: SDU, the city centre airport at Rio de Janeiro is heavily used by B737s and Airbus narrowbodies, although only on relatively short sectors. SDU's run
56 Lionel: I don't know what the difference is but SDU is on sea level so there must be a difference in take off performance. The Altenrhein question comes up e
57 ZRH: Yes, but Altenrhein is not very high, only 398 m and SDU is much hotter, so I think there is not much difference in take off performance. I guess if
58 SQA350: Anyone knows why LX 288 was cancelled last night? This early morning I was surfing the great ATC website found by SandroZRH (thanks again by the way!)
59 AviationMaster: Tomorrow "Grounding", the movie will be shown on SF1 @ 8pm.
60 LXA340: HB-JMA arrived this morning as flight LX7097 from GRU. This flight was supposed to arrive yesterday as LX097 from SCL / GRU. Suppedly the flight was
61 ZRH: Sorry guys I won't ever watch this movie. It is absolutely polemic and only Hollywood style and not serious at all. It is the same kind of movie like
62 OceansWorld: La croissance de Swiss entraîne un manque de personnel de cabine Wachstum der Swiss bringt Personalengpässe beim Kabinenpersonal
63 LXA340: SWISS is facing this problem with Cabin Crew shortage since almost a year already. Although they began recruiting FA's since Summer 2006 and minimum
64 Legacy135: FR obviously does not consider any runway shorter than 2200 meters. To keep the operations cheap, they are not doing any special airports or so. It i
65 Gerardo: Payerne? Located in the heart of Switzerland? Gerardo
66 SandroZRH: Not only are they short of Cabin crews, but also of cockpit crews. An A330 Chief Pilot and SAT Instructor told me that they recruited no more than th
67 Swissy: Where is Saab2000 when you (we) need him....... , there is the weak point (Avro/LX) agreement....... LX could have had a lot of qualified pilots back
68 Legacy135: Well, 1 1/2 hours to GVA, 2 hours to ZRH, 40 Minutes to Lausanne, 35 Minutes to Berne, close to cities as Fribourg or Neuchatel, 1 1/2 hours to Sion
69 SandroZRH: He told me that he's thinking about going for EK
70 Jog: Actually JJ only flies A319 into SDU, but not the A320. Boeing created a special 737-800 SFP to enable GOL to land them in SDU. Further on, cockpit c
71 Icna05e: hmmm... I don't want to be picky here but I will: RWY in Lubeck (Hamburg East) is 1800m, Carcassonne (Toulouse East) or Rodez 2050m. There are most p
72 Swissy: I hope he is watching the stars and sees they are in the right position for a try to get in with LX..... , but I would understand a possible EK adven
73 Legacy135: This is all well possible, although in the case of Lübeck, the runway got longer now, they come close to the 2'200 meters if they don't have them. T
74 Icna05e: Aaaah ok I see. No NEW service to under 2200m runways. It makes sense that way!
75 LXA340: Wasn't ORD to be operated now daily with A343's, last 2 days the flights were operated with A330 (3 Class). Is this due to maintanace scheduling reaso
76 SandroZRH: Yesterday's ORD flight was operated by an A343, I even saw it approaching over Kloten. edit: you are of course right about yesterday's outbound fligh
78 LIPZ: Qatar Airways goes daily (from 4 weekly flights) on Zurich route from the end of March.
79 FlySwiss: QR will increase to 7 flights per week but still no flights on Tuesdays and Saturdays but two daily flights on Wednesdays and Sundays.
80 ZRH: This is strange. Why not daily but twice on some days?
81 Sr176: do we know anything about the equipment of QR, will they come with 2x 330 on Wed / Sun ?
82 FlySwiss: I checked the schedule on QR's webpage as I was wondering if QR 61 or 63 will go daily. Perhaps it's because of connection flights.
83 SandroZRH: Swiss Christmas special: fly to Europe from BSL, ZRH or GVA in Business Class from CHF199 Destinations and Prices here: http://booking.swiss.com/web/b
84 AntonovA330: Oh you junkie! LX has really some nice numbers to show at the end of this year. It will be a PAX increase by 10%+. ZRH will also see some 22 Million
85 ZRH: I think you soon won't need any miles anymore to fly Swiss
86 Ka: On the 17th. JMK is already in full LX-c/s ( http://www.airport-data.com/images/aircrafts/small/135/135453.jpg ), but still needs to get its cabin re
87 LXA340: It's scheduled to enter service at some point in february no. BTW: Why is this bird called JMK and not JML and JML was put into service before JMK, s
88 Knightsofmalta: Hi everyone, just in case you're interested. SWISS's GVA-JFK route is picking up. Interestingly, since QR started operating from GVA to NYC, the perfo
89 LXA340: I gues this is a sign that the rumours about this route being axed are wrong and LX will keep the GVA - JFK service. Nevertheless I gues this will be
90 ZRH: Today the 20 millionth passenger in 2007 arrived in ZRH. On the Swiss flight from ORD. It is the first time since the year 2000 that ZRH will have mor
91 OceansWorld: I guess the A333 will be fine for that route, unless a higher MTOW is required due to a high demand for cargo.
92 OceansWorld: Here's what can be found on airlinerlist, it goes as follow on the AC side: 154 C-FYKZ due to be sub-leased to unknown operator 31/10/2007 175 C-FYLG
93 Amigocharlie: Well that's what i call a great fare! I cant resist... ...just got myself a weekend in BCN
94 Ka: - ATDB reports that the A343 -JMK (already painted) and -JMM (ex-AC) will NOT be taken by LX. (12/13/07) - ch-aviation.ch reports that Audeli will tak
95 SandroZRH: I can't confirm that. All remaining A340s are still scheduled for the cabin retrofit as planned.
96 LXA340: This deal must be settled....why would this change suddenly. There is obviously a little delay with the last deliveries. BTW: What are the difference
98 Helvknight: I came into ZRH this evening from PRG on OK and we were parked way out in the back of beyond (deplaned through the B dock bus gates instead of the E d
99 FelixZRH: Here you go: A6-? 744 @ ZRH Today (by Rw774477 Dec 15 2007 in Civil Aviation) And here is some information with pictures in German from the locals: h
100 SandroZRH: Everybody, i just got my documents (Information sheets, training schedule, participants list etc) from Swiss Aviation Training, and i'll definately st
102 LXA340: Congratulations Sandro, yeah please do so and keep us up to date on your progress
103 ZRH: Great Sandro! Many congrats. That's really thrilling for you. I guess you will have a good Christmas and you won't make big party at New Year's Eve to
104 ZRH: Yes, do it if you have time. It would be interesting.
105 OHLHD: Gruezi! Are there any plans for bigger equipment between Swtzerland and Austria especially VIE-ZRH during Euro 2008? Strange that QR goes 7 per week b
106 OceansWorld: Well these are really great news for you. Congratulations ! Good luck with your new "job". This could be interesting indeed. Indeed, I can imagine ho
107 LXA340: So far not but I gues on short notice it could be likely to see some long haul equipment from both LX and OS on some scheduled flights or some extra
108 Helvknight: Excellent news, Sandro. And yes, a blog would be very interesting (as would a jumpseat ) Thanks, Felix. Even though I'm an A fan it's nice to see the
109 SandroZRH: Thanks everyone for the kind words, i'll do my best to keep you up to date. That mysterious QR flight schedule with double daily service on some days
110 Joelatbsl: Maintenance at Swiss' facilities. FinnComm has two of those ex Crossair E145s. Ex HB-JAI and JAK. If you're lucky you can see them in BSL several time
111 SandroZRH: Aah yeah, makes sense. And there was me hoping for an additional link to Finland from Switzerland.
113 LXA340: Will it replace any A330 / A340 that will go into C or D check once entering service in february as the 2nd TLV flight (Equipment upgrade to A343) wi
114 ZRH: The Dock B at ZRH will definitely be used again for flight operations. But the latest news release of Zurich-Airport only says that the "Event Dock" w
115 ZRH: A good experience with SWISS again : LX - ZRH-TXL-ZRH - No Pictures
117 LXA340: Today is the first day of operations for LX at JFK Terminal 4, after moving from Terminal 1.
118 SandroZRH: Well, uh, not exactly the first, is it
119 LXA340: There are 2 special flights operated by LX tonight to Athens LX5032 at 22:25 with an A320 and LX5834 with an A321 at 22:35. Does anybody have a clue w
120 Joelatbsl: LX5*** are the numbers of ferry flights. Those two busses might operate some extra flights from ATH this night... Cheers JOEL
121 ANITIX87: Good. I've flown JFK-GVA on SR and LX with the 747, MD-11, and A330-200 (DC-10 as well, I believe, though I can't be sure. Did they operate them as l
122 LXA340: Probably JFK will be the only destination served out of GVA. There is not even a crew base at GVA anymore, the only base is at ZRH and crews need to
123 ANITIX87: That's a shame that long-haul out of GVA will have to go through ZRH. Another question. I did some searches online and got some conflicting informati
124 ZRH: Where is the problem? In such a small country it is simply not possible to have two long-haul hubs. Even Germany with more than 80 mi people has only
125 SandroZRH: Switzerland is just too small for an airline to successfully operate two hubs. Longhaul flights out of GVA would have to rely almost solely on O&D tr
126 LXA340: All A340's have the same configuration F8 C48 Y172 =228 Total HB-JMA - I were Brand new when entering service with LX and joined the fleet between Ju
127 SandroZRH: Lot's of fog at London today, over half of all london flights out of and to ZRH have been cancelled today One LX flight is due to land after 10pm with
128 SandroZRH: I just tuned into the live radar and was quite stunned when i saw this: As you can see, there are lots of planes in holding patterns to the west and t
129 Thomas_Jaeger: Hi Sandro, I live in Kloten now , about 200 metres from the airport perimeter, and visibility is almost zero. I guess they do not want to use any othe
130 Joelatbsl: The so called "Sackbahnhof" is being used if winds or visibility (the ILS is not as high rated as the Cat III ones on Rwys 14/16) do not allow landing
131 SandroZRH: hmm yeah that sounds plausible, I was thinking of a similiar scenario, but i dont understand why they cant use rwy28 for departures? Visibility is in
132 RJ100: I was just inbound on easy's NCE-BSL and we landed in thick fog, saw nothing until touchdown and from the runway could hardly see to the aircraft next
133 Ka: As reported in the following thread http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/3763605/ aswell as at skyland.ch (subscription on
134 SandroZRH: I'd rather keep the A345. The 77W will become a common sight anyway, given that SQ is planning to increase frequencies, and the popular aircraft that
135 ZRH: I agree, bad news. 777 we have in ZRH but no other 345. The 345 is probably the best looking 340.
136 SandroZRH: Anyone know why there's a TZ 752 coming into ZRH from JED today? It's due to land at 6:20 as MON 9649 and continuing to LGW at 7:20.
137 SandroZRH: It was listed delayed and has now been cancelled, weird stuff. On another note: There are no Newark arrivals today, not even showing as cancelled on
138 BAW716: I would have thought that LH and LX would have gone all Airbus...but since LH is the launch customer for the 747-8i passenger aircraft, I can't say th
139 SandroZRH: Negative sir. LX ordered 9 A333s to replace all A332s because the A332 has become too small for their current needs (deliveries starting in 2009). Th
140 RJ100: The Jeddah flights are most likely Hadj flights. We have a couple of them every year in Basel. Not surprised that the ZRH flight got cancelled, they a
141 AviationMaster: I read somewhere that on Christmas Continental reduces capacity or will not operate certain flights. Perhaps from experience they've seen that not en
142 Helvknight: According to the *A timetable the Privatair flight doesn't run between 24/12/07 and 01/01/08. It is probably not worth it. Chance are CO are doing th
143 ZRH: I also agree. LX has enough time to replace the 343 and the new 333 but nevertheless in a shorter time they will have to reserve delivery slots and I
144 SandroZRH: Thanks for the clarifications everyone! It makes perfect sense to ground the BBJ service over the holiday season. Not enough biz traffic as everyone'
145 LXA340: LX doesn't need to replace all it's A343's at once. They could receive the first 6 starting around 2016/7 replacing the 6 older A343's that are in th
146 ZRH: You are of course right. But nevertheless with the LH decision for a new long-haul product it will most probably also be for LX. When the first come
147 LXA340: On my last flight with LX a few days ago I got the information from the purser. He works 50% on the ground and deals with inflight product developmen
148 AntonovA330: That is, without a doubt, very nice news,... ...almost mouthwatering! . Are there also some decisions (or plans) made to upgrade Y-class? Seats, seat
150 AntonovA330: Absolutely! This layout s*cks IMO. On a sidenote: If LX want to install 2-1-2, they could compete with SQ... talk about seat width...
151 Raptor72: Was on LX 967 TXL - ZRH the 25th and aprox. 30min before landing, a passenger in C-Class next to me had some kind of heart attack (looked more like a
152 OA260: Thats sad, especially at this time of year. I hope he did make it ok . ------------------------------------------------------------ I did DUB-ZRH-ATH
153 AntonovA330: OA260's flight No. XXXVIII this year! Did you fly C-class again? Got hot coffee? I have no idea. Maybe someone else? If not, just ask the FA.
154 OA260: Haha yes my 12th LX flight this year in C class and the coffee indeed was nice and hot !!!!
155 LIPZ: Alitalia will shift Zurich's flights from MXP to FCO. New 3 daily Zurich-Rome service available effective March 30, 2008. AZ 566 FCO 07.10am ZRH 08.50
156 SandroZRH: Good to see AZ mainline back in Zurich. That's quite a capacity increase, will put some pressure on LX.
157 ZRH: Yes, but when AZ really axes MXP as a hub, I guess that LX will increase capacity heavily between MXP and ZRH because then ZRH will be the way to go
158 LIPZ: You are right, but don't forget that flying to FCO from Milan is more convenient out of Linate airport, closer to the city. There are something like
159 ZRH: Yes, but that is why SWISS and LH should offer nice connections in ZRH and MUC.
160 LIPZ: And Austrian as well in VIE [Edited 2007-12-27 14:14:56]
161 SandroZRH: Is LIN slot restricted? If not, I don't see why LX couldn't launch ZRH-LIN-ZRH services (and axe ZRH-MXP)
162 LIPZ: Yes it is. Just some EU and domestic flights (with narrow-body and regional aircrafts only) are allowed to operate into LIN.
163 LXA340: Yeah it is really delicious. It's made out of organges or apricots or a combination of the two and spices but I also have no clue what it exactly is.
164 OA260: They have to sell it somewhere LOL....thats my next task in ZRH. Go to a supermarket LOL.... I got a photo of it in my TR :: 26&27th December Swi
165 SandroZRH: Another early wakeup for me and what can you do on a boring, cold saturday morning? Listen to ZRh ATC of course I just tuned in and noticed that LX390
166 OHLHD: I thought I am the only freak awake on this lousy day. I am working what is your excuse.
167 LXA340: Looks like the problem was minor, flight departed again after 9. Maybe the warning that went off in the cockpit was false alarm or something like tha
168 SandroZRH: My dad suspects that they might have had a problem with the LGCIU (Landing Gear Interface Control Unit). Seems liek this is quite a frequent problem
169 LXA340: Well most of the A32S are or have reached this critical age so I gues the performance of the european fleet of LX will worsen over the next few years
170 ZRH: SWISS fears not to be able to operate all scheduled flights till the end of the year because of the lack of cabin crew. Some of them have already reac
171 LXA340: This is currently quite a big problem for LX at the moment. The expansion of the fleet went quite fast and the recruitment of new F/A's takes time, b
172 OA260: On all my recent flights they have advertised for cabin crew and Pilots on the overhead video presentation !!!
173 SandroZRH: I have heard that a Sky Airlines 737 routing Antalya-TXL made an unscheduled stop at ZRH today. Does anyone know what happened? Was it an emergency la
174 Thomas_Jaeger: The flight was already showing up on the airport website yesterday evening, so I guess it was not that "unscheduled".
175 SandroZRH: I didn't check the airport website because in the schedule it said Antalya-TXL. Must have been an error in the system.
176 LXA340: Is EK considering a 3rd daily flight to ZRH? It will be interesting to see if LX will be able to keep up it's BKK - SIN flights after SQ will start to
178 ZRH: From where do you have this information? I guess that probably EK is the first airline to fly the 380 to ZRH. At least two gates are ready, respectiv
179 LXA340: A travel agent told me that EK is seriously looking itno operating a 3rd daily flight. If it will happen don't know and hope it doesn't happen. Maybe
180 AviationMaster: First off, happy new year to all of you! Three daily EK ZRH-DXB flights? Seems to me that EK is overdoing it. Is there really this much demand between
181 LXA340: well honestly I can't imagine it to be I don't even know if the current double daily is necessary considerign that LX also serves this route. Well as
182 SandroZRH: Happy now year everyone! Who's hung over? That's their (lame) strategy.
183 HBDAN: Darwin Airline was, until now, the only airline applying for the LUG-BRN route. Offers must reach FOCA by January the 4th. After the big AZ revolution
184 Viscount724: Perhaps EK will resurrect earlier plans a few years ago to start DXB-GVA service which was announced but never started. I think they said they were s
185 LXA340: That might sound stupid but could it be out of respect EK will leave the GVA market for the time being to EY. I was a few months ago at GVA for uni a
186 Runway23: Geneva's 2007 passenger numbers are in: Total is 10'845'545 passengers up 9.5% compared to 2006. Another very good year for the airport.
187 Legacy135: ...not really, Swiss and Air Glacier were applying for as well, although it was clearly from the beginning on, that only Air Glacier would do it with
188 Viasa: The first A330-300 Swiss would have the c/n 1000!!!!
189 Knightsofmalta: I can assure you it is not for want of trying on the part of SWISS. The problem is that both TG and SQ are very capable of filling their flights to A
190 SandroZRH: Nice! I hope they'll paint a "1000th A330" on the fuselage similiar to what Crossair did with their 400th ERJ.
191 Dens: Not sure that the ZRH-SIR routewas receiving some tax money? Who paid this? The Swiss confederation? The canton of Valais?
192 HBDAN: Thanks Legacy 135 for the news! But the big question mark is: are 3 mio. chf enough to cover the losses generated in 3 years of ops? What would you t
193 Viscount724: Yes I flew on that "400th" ERJ a few times. They've built a few more since then. This is the 1000th, also identified on the fuselage. View Large View
194 LXA340: I am pretty sure that we will see something on the plane mentioning it. This is an impressive number for Airbus and for SWISS to be the custumer rece
195 PM: Not so fast, everyone! Firstly, it's line number 1000 and that counts A340s too. So it's nowhere near the 1,000th A330. Secondly, Airbus commonly mis
196 SandroZRH: Nope, plus SRT and LX are currently negotiating a contract for PW equipped A333s, so unless there has been a lack of communication, they should be PW
197 SandroZRH: Just talked to my source and the latest is that it indeed seems like they'll be RR equipped, meaning they'll have to send the engines to England for m
199 LXA340: nope.... The Edeweiss A330 gets all it's maintanance at ZRH except engine maintanance because of that reason if I am correct.
200 PM: Why not Germany? LH and RR have a joint venture.
201 Helvknight: How long would it take SR Technics to set up a RR engine shop? It seems a bit strange to have to send the engines to Derby. Also if they go for RR an
202 AntonovA330: There was an introduction on RR (Trent series IIRC) at SRT which was taking place in 2001. You might think for yourself what happened... At the momen
203 PM: The PW4000 is the second most popular engine on the A330. There will be plenty of business around for a few more years to keep SRT busy. For example,
204 AntonovA330: You might be right, nevertheless I was talking about SRT. I agree with you, PW equipped A330 are not that widely spread, which doesn't make it any be
205 SandroZRH: It had a lot to do with LH's relations with RR, as LX had no intention of switching engine manufacturers. Actually, it's not a big loss for SRT. The
206 PM: Well, they'd better get used to the idea 'cause there will be no PW option on whatever they buy next. "Debatable"? No. It's 'wrong'!
207 SandroZRH: Good point, and sooner or later, SRT will be cloing their PW shop and introduce RR, latest by the time they launch the A350 program. You foul Sushi
209 HBDAN: On another topic I could read that EZS is dropping its GVA-PRG starting summer timetable. Any idea if BBO is reintroducing this route in their network
210 SandroZRH: Today was my first day at Swiss Aviation Training, and when our chief instructor spoke to us about our future perspectives, he said that we will all b
211 Sailas: Sorry to break topic again but why when i departed GVA on December 21st i saw a Air mauritius a340-300...I don think they fly a a340 there??? Pax load
212 ZRH: Congrats for your beginning and I wish you success. Till now there always was a lot of rumor about SWISS getting the ERJ 170/190 but there isn't any
213 Ka: MK flies a weekly A343 nonstop service MRU-GVA-MRU. I have been on the flight before and although it takes a bit of turns to over-climb the alps, it
214 Helvknight: IIRC there were quite a few rumours about E170/E190s for LX during the Paris air show. It would make sense IMO particularly as the E170 is certified
215 LXA340: Sooner or later the Avro fleet needs to be replaced and mostlikely it will be with E170/190 and who knows maybe even a couple of A318's for LCY. I wo
216 SandroZRH: So we had our first "real" day, and were already bombed with meteorology, air law & ATC procedures and principles of flight We are trying to set up a
217 ZRH: This would be very interesting, I hope you mange it. How many students are you your class? Are there any other airliners.net members? I hope this com
218 SandroZRH: 15 guys, no girls But the F/A classes are just across the floor, so no problem there Nope, but i'm heavily promoting it
219 ZRH: Hahaha, what a bad luck. But I think it is better, you are there to learn and become a pilot and not for......
220 Infodesk: Most interesting and you wouldn't think he'd say something like that if there wasn't a good chance of it happening. Hope training continues to go wel
221 RJ100: Basel's traffic figures for 2007 are out and mark a new record in the history of the airport with 4.27 mio. passengers (+6.3%) and 107000 tons of frei
222 RJ100: Swiss flights Basel-Belgrade are now confirmed by the airport. Twice weekly every Saturday and Sunday. I wonder if we will see 99 CHF fares on this ro
223 ANITIX87: Here's something I've always wondered. I love the day-time flights from NYC to LON because they get rid of jet lag. (By now many of you are deathly af
224 SandroZRH: Time difference. The night Curfew at ZRH doesn't allow an 21:00 LON departure, because this would be 22:00 CH time, and therefore the flight wouldn't
225 LXA340: LX020 ZRH dep 19:00 arr 22:00 LX021 JFK dep 08:00 arr 21:55 Ok just joking this flight doesn't exist and there is no plan in the near future. Neverthe
226 LXA340: Sorry Sandro u gave the answer already
227 ANITIX87: Thanks for the quick responses! Completely forgot about the curfew. Does GVA have one as well? Is it the same time limits? TIS
228 RJ100: Ryanair, which flies to Switzerland since October, yesterday held a press event in the Radisson SAS Hotel in Basel and informed about their first mont
229 HBDAN: Also I could already find the new 1 weekly TS service BSL - YYZ (via YUL) operated with A310 starting the 30th May. Fares from 985 chf all inclusive.
230 FelixZRH: Swiss had 12.2 million passengers in 2007. This a plus of 13.2 per cent. http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/front/Ai...d=8610809&cKey=1199980430000&ty=nd And
231 SandroZRH: Very nice! Any idea about their 2007 financial figures?
232 ZRH: Hey Sandro. I am wondering something about your pilot training. Are your lessons all in English or also in German?
233 FelixZRH: No I don't think the figures for the whole 2007 are public jet. But it is an interesting question. Another question: Does anybody know how many passe
234 SandroZRH: Hey Phil! Most of them are in (swiss-)german, however, basic english knowledge is a must, as there are a lot of english expressions, and most ATP boo
235 ZRH: Basic only? Didn't you have an English test for admittance?
236 SandroZRH: Yeah I did, well let's say advanced english. The better english you speak, the better you'll comprehend the books. However, there will be no English
237 RJ100: Financial figures for Swiss should be coming in March if Im not completely wrong. On a different topic, first news about Euro2008 traffic are in as Tu
238 LXA340: Swissair carried around 15 Million passengers at it's record year which was in 2000.
239 Joelatbsl: ANITIX - There used to be a BA arrival at Basel from Heathrow very late in the evening, must have been 2330 or something like that. This was usually t
240 SandroZRH: OT: Is actually anybody else here planning to go to the SAT tests/to become an LX pilot? I know that Chris (Aviationmaster) is looking into it, but it
241 ZRH: Cool. I am looking forward. I shall be a frequent visitor there.
242 ManuCH: Does anyone know who applied in the end? The only one publicly known is Darwin, and the other shall not be mentioned yet (at least not officially by
243 RJ100: Too bad, but for you photographers I hope anyway that you will not get 52 boring TKs but some nice unusual ones. Interestingly though that BSL will b
244 ZRH: In the today's NZZ am Sonntag there is an article (not online) that "Switzerland" is preparing for the case of the de-hubbing of MXP, when AZ goes to
245 LXA340: Now lets say the capacity needs to be increased not necesarely frequency on ZRH - LUG flights over time. Would Embraer RJ170,190 be able to land at L
246 ZRH: According to that what Sandro heard from his instructor at Swiss Aviation School it is very likely that Swiss gets these birds. Probably from the LH
247 Legacy135: Sorry guys for not answering before, I just forgot to check the a.net for a number of days As far as I know, it's the Swiss Confederation as several g
248 BAW716: I wasn't aware of the A333 order. This, of course, changes things completely...and of course, you are right. With the larger 330 and the 343, the A35
249 Pizzaandplanes: Hi, I was wondering if swiss air still operates their daily flight to EWR? I haven't seen their plane their recently. Maybe another carrier is operati
250 ZRH: They will be brand new. The order came from LH, 9 of them are going to SWISS. At the moment the long-haul aircraft scheduling of LX in 2009 is: 15 34
251 AviationMaster: Although LX do not operate their own material into EWR anymore, EWR is still served. The flight is currently operated by a Privatair B738BBJ on behal
252 ZRH: Swiss does not operate to EWR with its own aircraft (before 2001 Swissair did it with 332). There is a flight (6/7 except Saturday) with a PrivatAir
253 LXA340: I think 4 A333's will join the LX fleet in 2009 and the rest till 2011. Shame that it take so long as those A332's realy need to go, at least their B
254 ZRH: For the first time since the year 2000 ZRH reached more than 20 mi passengers: they increased by 7.8 % to 20739113. http://www.zurich-airport.com/ (cl
255 RJ100: Swiss flights Basel to Belgrade are now bookable, the route will be served twice weekly on Saturdays and Sundays. Interestingly prices for this route
256 SandroZRH: Very nice to see this confirmed, although I actually hoped that they'd reach the 21 million mark, oh well, next year They certainly target ethnic tra
257 RJ100: Yes it will be an Avro. I dont think we see an Airbus even in peak season as the the aircraft operates an early morning departure on Saturday and a la
258 LXA340: Airbuses will probably only be used for charter flights from BSL during the summer on weekends as it was the case last year.
259 LHBSL: Is there an intention to operate some Airbuses during the Euro'08 instead of the Avros? Looking on the load figures of these flights, it would make s
260 RJ100: I think not as the Airbusses are based in ZRH/GVA and the BSL Avros are permanently in BSL and cannot easily substituted. However, Austrian is using F
261 ZRH: According to the latest news the Schengen treaty probably will come into effect already in March 2008, earlier than expected (November). What will the
262 RJ100: Another new easyJet route now shows up in the booking system, twice weekly summer flights Basel to Cagliari. In addition to the 5 weekly flights to Ol
263 FelixZRH: I read these news as well and they are really important. But as far as I understood the news the Federal Council (Bundesrat) still expects the entry
264 HECA: Can you present load factors of F class on theses flights that indicate there is too little or no demand for F? Thanks!
265 HBDAN: BSL: In order to start service to BEG, LX reduced frequency on the BSL-MAN from 5 to 3 weekly. However, increased PRG to daily and will not reintroduc
266 LXA340: ZRH - TLV - ZRH doesn't offer F Class. Flights are operated with the A343 (As of March all flights) and the F Class seats are given away to HON and S
267 HECA: As opposed to the TLV flights these seats are sold as F seats and F service is provided?
268 LXA340: Yes on CAI flights you can actually purchase F Class tickets and the whole servce etc is provided
269 SandroZRH: Hey guys Our website went online earlier today, but is still almost empty and a lot of features have yet to be added, especially pics and videos. As o
270 Nwaramper: Nice looking site SandroZRH keep up the good work!
272 Knightsofmalta: Hi AntonovA330 In Economy Class the aircraft will receive the seats that were intended for LH´s A. 380. But seeing as the delivery of the A. 380 to L
274 LXA340: Will those seats be simmilar to the ones on the SQ A380 / B77W or something along the lines of the new CX Y Class with the reclining happening in a s
275 Knightsofmalta: To be honest I´m not sure. On the pics I saw, it does look as though the back of the seat is entirely out of plastic, but I couldn´t tell if that pa
276 LXA340: Don' think so that this has been mentioned yet. That means LX will only fly to Yaoundè via Douala or vice Versa? Any plans to increase frequencies t
277 Knightsofmalta: Well that´s precisely it. If SSG really does get the axe, then that that also raises the question as to what will happen with NSI and DLA. I´m afrai
278 LXA340: Were the other 2 destinations not profitable enough? Well if those will also go this will mean that LX wil start some other long haul destination wit
279 SandroZRH: IAD? Why not? It's not like i could think of any new destinations worth launching in Africa either, but I just wonder where you'd know that from.
280 Fiatstilojtd: Hi Captain Crash, yeah IAD would be very nice. I know that the food on OS Eco would be better (you said that yourself, before the other swiss member
281 Knightsofmalta: For the time being the most likely scenario seems to be to replace the BBJ with an A. 330 on the EWR route. IAD seems a bit unlikely because its alrea
282 AntonovA330: Bad news, I hope you're wrong... This "exotic" route must have been doing well, as it stayed in the network over the years.
283 ZRH: Interesting visitor at ZRH: today I was for a short time on terrace B. At the heliport stand there was an 747 SP. Very rare in our days. The aircraft
284 SandroZRH: It has been there since at least Friday. I believe it's the Oman Amiri Flight 747SP or something like that.
285 Nwaramper: Compared to Swissair's operation did Swiss surpass the passenger count system wide and at ZRH also what about the fleet size. I sure miss Swissair alo
286 Knightsofmalta: Well if it hadn´t been doing very well, then I doubt if LH would have been so keen to take over the route from LX.
287 SandroZRH: Time for number 15! Swiss Aviation Thread 15 (by SandroZRH Jan 20 2008 in Civil Aviation)
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