US A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2620 times:
Hawaii is one of the most traveled to vacation destinations in the world and is becoming an increasingly important business destination. The fact that there is only one nonstop daily flight to Hawaii(ewr-hnl) from the north east is ridiculous. You would think that United would implement a route from Dulles, or Delta from BOS, or US Airways from PHL or PIT. It's such a pain always having to connect through ORD or STL or the West coast. What do ya' think?
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
There is another nonstop, ATA with JFK-HNL.
There are a few reasons for this.
- With the retirement of the DC-10 and L1011, and due to contract issues, Delta and United cannot fly routes from the east coast to Hawaii anymore.
- In many cases, you can fly through another hub farther west just as you would in the east to connect to Hawaii. This allows for more frequent flights, larger aircraft, or at least, a justification for service.
- Aside from operations in New York and Philadelphia, not too many of the major airlines have enormus hubs in the northeast, due to its poor geographic position for connecting. This doesn't do much to help the possibility of a Hawaii nonstop.
Wpr8e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2478 times:
It is a long way to go with lots of FF redemption and wholesaler Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays. Takes a plane out of rotation for ages since the flight from EWR to HNL is around 10 hours. I liked CO's old, old flight from JFK (yes it is true) to HNL and down to SYD. At the time it was the fastest way to SYD from NYC. When CO shut down flights to JFK they tried to fly it out of EWR with DC-10's and 747's but sometimes the winds were bad and they had to tech stop in LAX or SFO. Once the runway was lengthened in EWR, the 10's could make it without much problem. FYI
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4784 posts, RR: 17 Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2454 times:
You can book the ATA flight either way. If you go through Pleasant, you can book it either with or without ground, hotel, etc. If you go through ATA or a travel agent, you can book the flight alone.
You can go to www.ata.com to book it. You can book it through an online agency like www.itn.net.
I would compare prices at the different locations as they may vary.
The "Air Cruise" flight (with a higher level of service in coach than most; you can read about it at Pleasant's site) leaves Honolulu for JFK on Saturday and Monday evenings. It leaves JFK to go to HNL on Sunday and Tuesday mornings.
If the flight goes well (and it apparently has been well-booked and Pleasant is rumoured to be *very* happy with them with excellent passenger feedback), Pleasant could easily add more per week. There is room for more utilization of the aircraft on the current schedule, which does two round-trips to ORD and two to JFK each week. As United is dropping nonstop Hawaii service from ORD, and Pleasant has just started similar "Air Cruise" service to ORD, that may be the first candidate for an increase in service. Depending on the maintenance reliability of the aircraft, ATA could squeeze up to 3 more round-trips per week from the one L1011-500.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4784 posts, RR: 17 Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2354 times:
One thing that you might find interesting about booking the ORD-HNL "Air Cruise": You can do it through ATA by telephone, but you *can't* do it at ATA's web site. (As I said, you *can* book the JFK-HNL flight on ATA's web site.) The reason: according to the ATA people that I asked, the company doesn't want to show "Chicago O'Hare" as an available destination on its web site. Apparently, the decision was made that it would cause mass confusion as people tried to book into ORD from everywhere and were then disappointed when flights showed unavailable. Probably a rational decision: however, I don't understand why they couldn't just have a generic "Chicago" link on their site, or label "ORD" as for "Honolulu only". Guess they decided that it wasn't worth it. Obviously, the flight shows on ITN and other online travel agencies.