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More Nonstops To Hawaii From The East Coast  
User currently offlineUS A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3236 times:

Hawaii is one of the most traveled to vacation destinations in the world and is becoming an increasingly important business destination. The fact that there is only one nonstop daily flight to Hawaii(ewr-hnl) from the north east is ridiculous. You would think that United would implement a route from Dulles, or Delta from BOS, or US Airways from PHL or PIT. It's such a pain always having to connect through ORD or STL or the West coast. What do ya' think?

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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3153 times:

There is another nonstop, ATA with JFK-HNL.

There are a few reasons for this.

- With the retirement of the DC-10 and L1011, and due to contract issues, Delta and United cannot fly routes from the east coast to Hawaii anymore.

- In many cases, you can fly through another hub farther west just as you would in the east to connect to Hawaii. This allows for more frequent flights, larger aircraft, or at least, a justification for service.

- Aside from operations in New York and Philadelphia, not too many of the major airlines have enormus hubs in the northeast, due to its poor geographic position for connecting. This doesn't do much to help the possibility of a Hawaii nonstop.


User currently offlineUS A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Thanks for that answer. And the ATA flight to HNL isn't daily. Just thought you'd like to know.

User currently offlineWpr8e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

It is a long way to go with lots of FF redemption and wholesaler Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays. Takes a plane out of rotation for ages since the flight from EWR to HNL is around 10 hours. I liked CO's old, old flight from JFK (yes it is true) to HNL and down to SYD. At the time it was the fastest way to SYD from NYC. When CO shut down flights to JFK they tried to fly it out of EWR with DC-10's and 747's but sometimes the winds were bad and they had to tech stop in LAX or SFO. Once the runway was lengthened in EWR, the 10's could make it without much problem. FYI

User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

Can anyone book flight on the ATA JFK-HNL flight through like Expedia or Travelocity, or do you have to book through Pleasant Hawaiian?

thanks,
russell


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5267 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

You can book the ATA flight either way. If you go through Pleasant, you can book it either with or without ground, hotel, etc. If you go through ATA or a travel agent, you can book the flight alone.

You can go to www.ata.com to book it. You can book it through an online agency like www.itn.net.

I would compare prices at the different locations as they may vary.

The "Air Cruise" flight (with a higher level of service in coach than most; you can read about it at Pleasant's site) leaves Honolulu for JFK on Saturday and Monday evenings. It leaves JFK to go to HNL on Sunday and Tuesday mornings.

If the flight goes well (and it apparently has been well-booked and Pleasant is rumoured to be *very* happy with them with excellent passenger feedback), Pleasant could easily add more per week. There is room for more utilization of the aircraft on the current schedule, which does two round-trips to ORD and two to JFK each week. As United is dropping nonstop Hawaii service from ORD, and Pleasant has just started similar "Air Cruise" service to ORD, that may be the first candidate for an increase in service. Depending on the maintenance reliability of the aircraft, ATA could squeeze up to 3 more round-trips per week from the one L1011-500.

--Bill


User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

thanks bill, great info.

User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3008 times:

Just a historical note, UAL started JFK-HNL nonstops in the mid-60's with DC-8-62's. Nice , non cramped brand new jets...ahhhh the "good old days!"

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5267 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

One thing that you might find interesting about booking the ORD-HNL "Air Cruise": You can do it through ATA by telephone, but you *can't* do it at ATA's web site. (As I said, you *can* book the JFK-HNL flight on ATA's web site.) The reason: according to the ATA people that I asked, the company doesn't want to show "Chicago O'Hare" as an available destination on its web site. Apparently, the decision was made that it would cause mass confusion as people tried to book into ORD from everywhere and were then disappointed when flights showed unavailable. Probably a rational decision: however, I don't understand why they couldn't just have a generic "Chicago" link on their site, or label "ORD" as for "Honolulu only". Guess they decided that it wasn't worth it. Obviously, the flight shows on ITN and other online travel agencies.
--Bill


User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

That sort of prompts the question, why doesn't the flight leave from MDW? I have a feeling that it involves the runway length.....

thanks,
russ


User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

NW operated a nonstop DC10 DTW HNL last year.

I am not sure whether they have it again this year.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

I believe that UA's fleet of "domestic" 777-222's may get retrofitted with overhead crew rest areas some time soon. That should allow UA to fly JFK-HNL and ORD-HNL non-stop again.

UA could do it now with the 777-222ER, but given that UA DOES want those planes on international flights that make a lot more revenue....


User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

NW has just started flying MSP-HNL and DTW-HNL daily nonstop year round (used to be winter only).

User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

An L-1011 loaded with fuel for a Chicago-Honolulu nonstop flight leaving from Midway?

You've got to be a lunatic to think that's possible.


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