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Top Five Foreign Airlines To US?  
User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11220 times:

What are the top five foriegn airlines to the US in number of flights, cities and seats? From where to where? My guess would be in no particular order are, BA, AF, AC, Virgin and KLM. While we are at it what about from Asia and the other side of the Pacific?

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11219 times:



Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
BA, AF, AC, Virgin and KLM.

VS, KL, and AF are definitley not.

I would think AeroMexico, Air Canada, British Airways, Lufthansa, and Mexicana, but I'm not sure.



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User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11220 times:

I would guess Aeromexico would be high on the list as well.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11168 times:

I'm not sure either, but I would definitely guess that Air Canada, British Airways and Mexicana are in the top three.

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11153 times:



Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
While we are at it what about from Asia and the other side of the Pacific?

From Asia: KE has the most destinations and flies a combination of 777-200s and 744s. KE probably has a few more destinations on the radar for the US. They still have to connect to NW's hubs as well as tap those cities that could do with Asia travel with a 787. (BOS) After KE is JL which flies 777-200s, and 744s. (not sure if they started 773ERs to the US). However JL's destination list is much smaller than KE.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11144 times:

For the entire U.S., my guess would be British Airways and Lufthansa from Europe, Air Canada, Mexicana, and AeroMexico from the hemisphere. The number of American destinations served by their own metal (and not under "code-share" status) is much larger than other international airlines. In addition, AC, MX, and AM all have the advantage of serving multiple American cities from multiple locations in their own country!

On a side note, my first thought was QANTAS, but that was from this picture:


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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5607 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11097 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
n a side note, my first thought was QANTAS, but that was from this picture:

Qantas is number two at LAX to Aeromexico on the last figures I saw posted here, and it was pretty close so they may have moved closer or even passed them. Even so given there only other North American services are less than daily service to SFO & HNL I doubt they are in the running for for top slot overall.

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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11067 times:
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In terms of cities, BA has to be near the top:
JFK EWR BOS PHL BWI IAD ATL MIA MCO TPA DTW ORD DFW IAH DEN LAX SFO SEA

LH comes pretty close:
JFK EWR BOS PHL IAD CLT ATL MIA DTW ORD DFW IAH DEN LAX SFO PDX SEA

No Asian carrier has that many online gateways.



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User currently offlineSoBe From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 256 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11021 times:

While it can be difficult to use and you have to download the data in a .csv to do any useful sorting the Top5 in 2006 were:

British Airways Plc: BA 5761059
Air Canada: AC 5755687
Lufthansa German Airlines: LH 4452938
Compagnie Nat'l Air France: AF 3523216
Compania Mexicana De Aviaci: MX 3309737

Source: http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Fields.asp?Table_ID=260


User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10991 times:



Quoting PA110 (Reply 7):
In terms of cities, BA has to be near the top:
JFK EWR BOS PHL BWI IAD ATL MIA MCO TPA DTW ORD DFW IAH DEN LAX SFO SEA

add PHX.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 7):
LH comes pretty close:
JFK EWR BOS PHL IAD CLT ATL MIA DTW ORD DFW IAH DEN LAX SFO PDX SEA

add MCO


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10887 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
VS, KL, and AF are definitley not.

If we start counting on seats KL is there. NW/KL share revenue on Transatlantic flights so half of NW's seats would be KL's (and the other way around).



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User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10857 times:

If you combine AF & KL they would have to be up there as far as number of planes and passengers. Is it fair to count them as one?

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10738 times:



Quoting PA110 (Reply 7):
In terms of cities, BA has to be near the top:
JFK EWR BOS PHL BWI IAD ATL MIA MCO TPA DTW ORD DFW IAH DEN LAX SFO SEA

LH comes pretty close:
JFK EWR BOS PHL IAD CLT ATL MIA DTW ORD DFW IAH DEN LAX SFO PDX SEA

No Asian carrier has that many online gateways.

AC serves more US cities (over 40) than BA and LH combined


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10435 times:

When you say foreign airlines, I assume you mean any airline that isn't a U.S. Airline.

My guesses would be Air Canada, West Jet, Aeromexico and Mexicana to top the list, with maybe British.

Of course most of the seats are low since they pretty much all use narrowbody aircraft.

Air Canada pretty much flies to every decent size metropolitan area in the U.S. in some form or another whether it is Jazz or Air Canada with multiple flights daily. I would say Air Canada at least in terms of flights/frequency would win it. Most of the European airlines only have one flight a day to the cities, with exception of alliance partner hubs etc. Aeromexico is probably in second place, followed by Mexicana or West Jet. I would assume British Airways would be the top European carrier.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10423 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 13):
My guesses would be Air Canada, West Jet, Aeromexico and Mexicana to top the list, with maybe British.

Westjet is nowhere near the top.

The list was already posted. In 2006, it was BA, followed by AC, LH, AF, and MX.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10293 times:

".... and it's EK coming around the bend , looking to make a move for the front!" a little horse race for the morning.


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10114 times:



Quoting Jawake (Reply 11):
Is it fair to count them as one?

Not only it is fair to count them as "one", but it is actually the only logical count.
AF & KL are ONE single airline. "the names "Air France" & "KLM" are only commercial brands.

Back to the Topic, as mentionned in reply#8, the answer to the original question of this topic is :

1 - BA
2 - AC
3 - LH
4 - AF
5 - MX

That was for 2006. I believe if you add AF + KL, the correct list should be :

1 - BA
2 - AC
3 - AFKL
4 - LH
5 - MX


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10098 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
For the entire U.S., my guess would be British Airways and Lufthansa from Europe, Air Canada, Mexicana, and AeroMexico from the hemisphere.

That would have been my guess.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 16):
That was for 2006. I believe if you add AF + KL, the correct list should be :

Then you would have to add LX to LH as well.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10068 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 17):
Then you would have to add LX to LH as well.

I agree. But that wouldn't change that much the list, as the "contribution" of LX to LH is not significant as LX network to the US is very restricted.


User currently offlineSoBe From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 256 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10043 times:

It appears to me that AF/KL and LH/LX are listed separately because they each hold individual operating certificates.

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9722 times:



Quoting SoBe (Reply 19):
It appears to me that AF/KL and LH/LX are listed separately because they each hold individual operating certificates.

ding ding ding we have a winner!



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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9690 times:

So as a converse,

What are the top 5 Non-EU airlines to the EU?

I think these stats are more difficult to come by, but here is my guess.

AA
CO
DL
UA
EK?


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9673 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 21):
What are the top 5 Non-EU airlines to the EU?

My guess - and it's just that, a guess - would be, in this order:

1) SWISS (technically kind-of/sort-of non-EU!)
2) Delta
3) American
4) Continental
5) Emirates


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9623 times:

Don't forget the shitload of NW flights to Amsterdam guys.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9601 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 23):
Don't forget the shitload of NW flights to Amsterdam guys.

AA has more flights to London than NW has to Amsterdam.


25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..thanks for the data ....the difference between them is < 5400 pax (1/10th of 1%)...which basically makes it statistically irrelevant ....while tech
26 FlySSC : OK. But since the combinability fares on AFKL, how do you "classify" a passenger who is flying HAM-CDG-LAX one way, and LAX-AMS-HAM on the way back,
27 SESGDL : For YTD stats, here's the US carrier breakdown to EU (Jan-May 2007): 1) Delta - 2.113 million 2) Continental - 1.781 million 3) American - 1.760 mill
28 Groobster : Last Sunday I landed at LHR, I counted no less than eight AA aircraft, whilst we taxied to the gate. [Edited 2007-11-30 09:21:01][Edited 2007-11-30 0
29 DLPMMM : Wow, I didn't realize that DL was that much ahead of the pack in pax numbers. Does sombody have a number for EK or any other potential non-EU airline
30 Post contains images AuroraLives : Ok... I had to do this I count 48 AC cities: ALB ABE ATL BWI BOS SRQ CLT ORD CLE CMH DFW DEN DTW FLL RSW MDT BDL IAH IND MCI LAS LAX MHT MIA MKE MSP
31 Yankees : I would guess BA is the 2nd LAX MIA BWI BOS ORD DEN DTW DFW IAH JFK EWR PHL PHX SEA IAD MCO TPA
32 SoBe : By the carrier's metal on the U.S. segment, not who issued the ticket.
33 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : ..you left out SFO... MyAviation.net photo: Photo © Jacobin777
34 Vald : Don't forget Lufthansa, Switzerland is right in the middle of Europe
35 EXTspotter : It might be in the middle, but it isn't part of the European Union (Norway and Sweden? aren't either).
36 MIA : What about Grupo Taca? They may fly to less cities in the US than Mexican but have more flights per day.
37 MAH4546 : No. Its not even close. They have more flights to Miami than MX or AM, but that's about it.
38 HUbsnotDubs : How does WestJet fare? Here in PHX the lines are pretty long sometimes.
39 EXAAUADL : My gues would be AC BA MX AM LH KE
40 Viscount724 : LX is a subsidary of LH but operates as a separate airline with its own management and under separate air service agreements. It has a different lega
41 SoBe : Here are the Top50 in 2006 British Airways Plc: BA 5761059 Air Canada: AC 5755687 Lufthansa German Airlines: LH 4452938 Compagnie Nat'l Air France: AF
42 Commavia : I know, it's crazy. AA's operations at Heathrow are absolutely massive. I believe Heathrow is actually AA's busiest single 777 station - it sees more
43 CitrusCritter : I count 30 AC cities: ANC, PHX, LAX, SAN, SFO, DEN, FLL, RSW, MIA, MCO, SRQ, TPA, PBI, ATL, HNL, OGG, KOA, ORD, BOS, LAS, EWR, LGA, JFK, PHL, BNA, DF
44 Jamincan : So BA has the highest of individual airlines, but AC and AC Jazz together have 7,540,329, quite a bit more than BA.
45 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..it is absolutely amazing to see the number of AA heavies @ LHR every time I fly there.... JFK-LHRx6+ ORD-LHRx4+ MIA-LHRx1+ LAX-LHRx1+ BOS-LHRx1= --
46 Commavia : Slight corrections, as some of those will be changing either seasonally or next March with Open Skies. As of next summer, the schedule right now look
47 MAH4546 : BOS is 2x daily (except Saturdays); MIA has twice-daily on weekends; ORD is 5x daily; and LAX is 2x during the summer. AA is the largest non-EU airli
48 Vald : no, but its still a european country
49 Commavia : No doubt, but the original question was about non-EU, not non-European airlines.
50 Vald : okay, but if thats the case, swiss would not be first, s.a.s. should be.
51 FFlyer : Of SAS countries Sweden and Denmark are EU members, Norway isn't. However, Sweden doesn't participate the common currence (Euro) system (bad decision
52 Ha763 : That's surprising to see that JALways carried more pax than JAL to the U.S. Do these numbers include Guam? Considering that the only non-U.S. territo
53 Gomuppets : as for non-eu carriers in europe, i bet TK would be high up there as well.
54 JRadier : To get a complete view on the numbers for NW (operating into Europe) you have to add their AMS-BOM route. It won't change their position in the list
55 Post contains images SandroZRH : Sweden IS in the EU. Did you actually understand what the list was about? Let me help you: Did the penny drop? So surely, SWISS must be pretty high u
56 Vald : we don't have pennies here any more. we use cents & euros
57 CXfirst : I believe SAS-Norway also has quite a big presence in the EU, (flights to Sweden and Denmark are numerous, but some of them are SAS Denmark and SAS S
58 Post contains images SandroZRH : smartass Did the CENT drop then?
59 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...your are correct but I was only listing flights to LHR as of their current schedule...... ....so I was correct in stating that AA is one of the la
60 United787 : Interesting that when you compare trans-atlantic crossings between US and Europe airlines, US majors are way behind the Europe majors. I had no idea t
61 Captaink : Does MX serve more US destinations with more frequency than AM?
62 Post contains images BA : Not quite...
63 CarbHeatIn : Ryanair is obviously number 1 if you're using all London airports. I'd guess Aer Lingus carry more Just checked, EI has 26 flights into London everyd
64 JFK787NYC : What are the largest foreign airlines in JFK in terms of flights.
65 Commavia : BA is - by far - at the top of the list in terms of passengers (over 1.2 million for the 12 mos running Sep06-Sep07, more than United). And, I suspec
66 SandroZRH : About as much as you are English.
67 Baexecutive : I knew BA would be the no 1 on transatlantic crossings, no surprise that VS and BA combined total some 8.8 million per year with the UK's close ties w
68 SandroZRH : Don't AF, LH, among others, own T1 at JFK?
69 Baexecutive : No they don't
70 Post contains links Baexecutive : 'It is the only foreign carrier to solely own and operate its own terminal at JFK where it welcomes four million travelers each year'* * Source: http:
71 777STL : With 2-3 flights/day to the US.....I don't think so.
72 Post contains images 747Dreamlifter : I would think that Japan Airlines would rank pretty high up there. I'm equally safe to assume that if you counted the number of DAILY flights by a for
73 Bond007 : ...and what did 'JUMBOs' have to do with the question... whatever they are (you show 767 & 747??) ? Jimbo Jumbo
74 Bobnwa : Larger than BA? I don't think so.
75 Avek00 : Yes, which is why the major Euro carriers may soon be facing some serious pain once Open Skies becomes a reality -- their longhaul route networks and
76 777STL : Doubtful, when you consider BA serves 20 something US cities, and has 10-11 frequencies/day to the NYC area alone.
77 United787 : Are you saying that if European carriers competing more directly with each other (which they will be doing under Open Skies) that they will have to b
78 Bobnwa : KL does not have trans-atlantic monopoly from its hub. They share everything with NWA, including the number of flights and profits. DL and AF are fas
79 Avek00 : Basically, yes. The Euro legacies will be facing added competition from other Euro carriers, USA legacy carriers, and perhaps upstarts from both side
80 Avek00 : With the exception of the United Kingdom, every major EU longhaul air market has been dominated (some to the point of near-monopolization) by exactly
81 AM744 : I think they do, plus they are way bigger at LAX and ORD.
82 Someone83 : All the Scandinavian countries belongs to the Schengen area, and none of them participate in the Euro. But a Sweden and Denmark are EU members, while
83 JRadier : Keep in mind that a lot of Euro carriers are in a far better financial shape than US carriers are. KL/AF had a profit of 1,24billion EUR over the las
84 Post contains images SandroZRH : I'm pretty sure they do?
85 Baexecutive : Not to mention a far superior product/level of service on International Where is your evidence of this?
86 Post contains links JRadier : at least LH is part owner: http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pb...EE/70312002/-1/rss01&rssfeed=rss01 just under the add on the left side.
87 Post contains links JRadier : Ok, I can't edit my own post, but Lufthansa, Air France, Korean and JAL do own Terminal One through the Terminal One Group Authority, in which they al
88 Rampart : I think you are correct, and not to sidetrack things, but the Crain's article about JFK Terminal 1 and the A380 also states that EWR is not ready for
89 777STL : Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but QF doesn't fly to EWR.
90 Post contains images SandroZRH : Follow Jurgen's link LH, AF, KE and JL built T1 and each holds 25% of Terminal 1's operator. Happy now? It's incredible that people on here always ne
91 Post contains links Rampart : Hmmm. You are right, and I should have noticed that. I was backing myself up with a quick look at PANYNJ's EWR web site, which does list QF as one of
92 Post contains images JRadier : Welcome, it's amazing what 5 mins of using google can come up with .
93 Baexecutive : OK but they are the only foreign airline to own 100% of a US terminal ; )
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