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Ukia - Is The Game Up Already?  
User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Rumours elsewhere that UKIA has gone down the plug hole already...anyone got any news ?

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User currently offlineMarky From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

It looks to be the case - can't say I'm surprised!

User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 824 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

that's not true, i just booked for a flight on Jan 8th, 2008.

And this is their price quote.

Econ Rtn GBP399+tax
Econ+ Rtn GBP459+tax

The Sales Rep told me that their 2nd aircraft will be arriving very soon, and it will bring the services from 2x weekly to 3x weekly, plus starting 1 new destination.



Hong Kong is not China. Not better or worse, just different.
User currently offlineBAW217 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

When I was at work, a flightplan had been filed for thier flight this evening, and its still on the East Midlands departure boards, so its deffinatly operating!

From the CAA records (pax loads), they are not doing to badly for a winter start-up!

Cheers


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2865 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

There's no smoke without fire, but there are too many whispers going around to garner any credible information right now.

It's going around that the aircraft had been repossessed by the lessor, but I understood (and I'm sure someone will be able to confirm or correct) the aircraft to be owned outright by UKIA.

Another rumour is that it has been impounded for non-payment of maintenence bills, whilst another is that the aircraft is "very tech" at the moment.

YLWbased, as a precaution, I hope you booked by credit card; you can never be too careful.

And if memory serves me correct, G-CECU was the 4th 767-200 off the line, built in 1983, now with over 77,000 hours on the clock, and is the oldest currently in service; nice to fly on a little nostalgia !

Shamu



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 824 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2288 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 4):
YLWbased, as a precaution, I hope you booked by credit card; you can never be too careful.

I'd never book a flight with anything else but a credit card, just for my own protection.



Hong Kong is not China. Not better or worse, just different.
User currently offlineMarky From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2255 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 4):
but I understood (and I'm sure someone will be able to confirm or correct) the aircraft to be owned outright by UKIA

If you look on the G-INFO database on the CAA site www.caa.co.uk/ginfo you will see both aircraft show as chartered, ie they are not owned by UKIA


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2865 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2243 times:



Quoting Marky (Reply 6):
f you look on the G-INFO database on the CAA site www.caa.co.uk/ginfo you will see both aircraft show as chartered, ie they are not owned by UKIA

Thanks for the link, but doesn't it say it's owned by UKIA....or am I having a dumb moment?

Ownership Status: Chartered
Registered Owners: UK INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES LTD
308-318 QUEENS ROAD
SHEFFIELD
S2 4DL
UNITED KINGDOM


Shamu



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2865 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Did IH003 operate in the end this evening?

It's not showing on EMA's website or Sharjah's or on FlightStats.

The plot thickens.....

Shamu



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineEMAlad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 1970 times:

I hope this service does start off and become a success. EMA needs bigger ac and more services, fed up fo seeing lowcost all the time!

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 1960 times:

This airline seems to be very dodgy to me - selling only through bucket-shops, I personally wouldn't buy a ticket off any airline doing business that way. They could just go up the spout tomorrow and you'd be completely stuck. Are they even IATA ? Do they issue proper tickets ? Do they interline with anyone ? Sounds like another of these "charter pretending to be scheduled" scams.

User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1371 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1940 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 8):
Did IH003 operate in the end this evening?

It's not showing on EMA's website or Sharjah's or on FlightStats.

The Sharjah (SHJ) arrivals and departures board for today (pm 1 Dec 07) shows no arrival or departure info for UKI005 (IH005). EMA and ISB websites currently (pm 1 Dec 07) show it as "delayed".

Logging websites show G-CECU on UKI005 inbound EMA in the early hours of 29 Nov (presumably late running from 28 Nov). It was then logged this morning (1 Dec) as UKI003 at lunchtime climbing to 34,000 ft outbound to SHJ.

So it seems to that it is still heading outbound as a very delayed UKI003 (the ISB website shows a 24 hour delay).



Flown in: A30B,A306,A310,A319,A320,A321,A332,A333,A343,A346,BA11,BU31,B190, B461,B462,B463,(..50 types..),VC10,WESX
User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2865 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1896 times:



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 10):
Are they even IATA ?

I really don't know.

They definitely do not have any interline arrangements.

One thing to note though, according to Companies House, is that they are 2 months overdue for submitting their accounts.

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/dc...8b05885a3a94b65cd3ed2c/compdetails

GCT64 is correct also, in that the schedule is running currently 28 hours behind schedule.

Shamu



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

I wonder where airlines like UKIA hire their pilots from, especially now in times of pilot-shortage across the globe.

User currently offlineMarky From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

Shamu

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 7):
Thanks for the link, but doesn't it say it's owned by UKIA....or am I having a dumb moment?

Ownership Status: Chartered

The ownership status (chartered) means that it is registered to the operator, not the owner. If you look at, for example, BA 747 G-CIVB the ownership status shows as 'owned'.

On the UK Register 'registered owner' can be either the owner or the charterer

Hope that helps

Mark


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2865 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1852 times:



Quoting Marky (Reply 14):
On the UK Register 'registered owner' can be either the owner or the charterer

Thanks for clearing that up Mark.  highfive 

So who does own G-CECU?

Shamu



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 824 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1784 times:



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 10):
Are they even IATA ?

i think they are, IATA code: IH



Hong Kong is not China. Not better or worse, just different.
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1767 times:



Quoting YLWbased (Reply 16):
i think they are, IATA code: IH

That's just a code, they have to have one. Do they participate in IATA ticketing or clearing house ? Do they publish schedules or fares, do they participate in GDS's ? I suspect not.


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