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Frontier Closer To OK For Turboprop Service  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3100 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

I am excited about the prospect of this new service since it will utilize fuel saving aircraft on applicable routes. For the sake of an airline's balance sheet and fuel expenditures I hope more airlines will seize this golden opportunity. Like all of you I am fully aware of the dislike by most passengers of any turboprop aircraft. However costs are a reality of our times and I am sure that some of the smaller regional cities would rather have this type of service than no service at all.

Courtesy: Rocky Mountain News

Frontier Closer To OK For Turboprop Service

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...loser-to-ok-for-turboprop-service/

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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

Wonder if it's too late to catch some of the upcoming ski traffic? Perhaps it doesn't take that long to set up a station in places like Aspen or Steamboat.

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25080 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4719 times:
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Quoting Quickmover (Reply 1):
Wonder if it's too late to catch some of the upcoming ski traffic?

I could be wrong, but I suspect Frontier has given up on most of them for this season. However, it wouldn't surprise me if they did announce the big one - Aspen.

Maybe.

mariner



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

What exactly is the hold up? FAA head-up-arse?


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User currently offlineStapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 280 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

My guess is that they announce Lynx service to mostly existing cities, ELP, OKC, TUL plus the previously announced, BIL, ABQ, RAP, ICT, SUX and then add COS with mostly Lynx service (then adding one daily mainline RON once the maintenance base opens.) This would account for approximately 30 departures per day out of DEN (just over 3 round-trip operations per aircraft with an operational spare.) Then they can use some of the E175 to augment longer range markets.

User currently offlineTSRA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4504 times:



Quoting Stapleton (Reply 4):
My guess is that they announce Lynx service to mostly existing cities, ELP, OKC, TUL plus the previously announced, BIL, ABQ, RAP, ICT, SUX and then add COS with mostly Lynx service

I would also guess some new stations announced in January and February when the rest of the aircraft arrive.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

Surely they could do more than 30 dailys with 6 aircraft on these short hops. They need to rush an ASE opening ASAP. Lots more money to be made flying up there than Billings.

User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4388 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
What exactly is the hold up? FAA head-up-arse?

The combination of a brand new certificate and perhaps some issue over the Q400's recent problems with SAS



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User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4268 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):

The combination of a brand new certificate and perhaps some issue over the Q400's recent problems with SAS

From what I have read, the gear issues haven't been a problem as these are new-build aircraft. IIRC the only hurdle is obainting the certificate.



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4188 times:

I wonder if Express jet is signed up for a certain period of time or just until the Q's start flying?
Also, where will they park these birds? I'm assuming they can't use a jet bridge. It's amazing that even with the extra UAL gates they picked up, things are already getting crowded again.


User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

I was out there a while ago, and the lynx aircraft were parked over on F9s regional concourse it shares with lakes. Infact If I remember right it was quite the site Republic E170, Lynx Q400, Horizon CR7, Express Jet ERJ, Horizon CR7. Lynx Q400, Express Jet ERJ.

User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 571 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3995 times:



Quoting Quickmover (Reply 9):
I wonder if Express jet is signed up for a certain period of time or just until the Q's start flying?

Their contract is through January 2008 and can be extended if needed.


User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1580 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3914 times:



Quoting Flyboy80 (Reply 10):
I was out there a while ago, and the lynx aircraft were parked over on F9s regional concourse it shares with lakes. Infact If I remember right it was quite the site Republic E170, Lynx Q400, Horizon CR7, Express Jet ERJ, Horizon CR7. Lynx Q400, Express Jet ERJ

Yep, I saw a Lynx Q400 on Monday at Concourse A when I took a Continental flight out of the same concourse. The aircraft was very backlit, so I couldn't catch the reg.



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2775 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Kinda off topic but what do the E145's being flown by XE look like? any pics?


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User currently offlineDrewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3875 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 13):
Kinda off topic but what do the E145's being flown by XE look like? any pics?

The F9 routes are being flown by charter aircraft in the standard ExpressJet colors.


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2775 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Kinda off topic but what do the E145's being flown by XE look like? any pics?

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 14):
The F9 routes are being flown by charter aircraft in the standard ExpressJet colors.

The Xjet.com colors?

Thanks,
Matt



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User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 571 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3828 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 15):
The Xjet.com colors?

Correct. I saw one while crossing the concourse A bridge at Denver a few of weeks ago.


User currently offlineTSRA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Mariner, didn't you say it only takes about 48 hours to get a certificate after proving runs? That means it is possible there will be Q400s with passengers flying in them by weeks end!

Quoting Mariner (Reply 2):
However, it wouldn't surprise me if they did announce the big one - Aspen.

How many flights a day to Aspen do you think?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25080 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3709 times:
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Quoting TSRA (Reply 17):
Mariner, didn't you say it only takes about 48 hours to get a certificate after proving runs? That means it is possible there will be Q400s with passengers flying in them by weeks end!

I said it here in another thread, but it didn't come from me, it came from Frontier, in the article linked in the OP:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...loser-to-ok-for-turboprop-service/

"The carrier expects to being flying the planes roughly 48 hours after receiving certification."

Exactly that happened in Australia with Tiger Airways, who were revenue flying within 48 hours of getting their certificate.

Quoting TSRA (Reply 17):
How many flights a day to Aspen do you think?

Oh, I dunno, I don't even know that they are going to announce Aspen. But I do have a (small) side bet on it.  Smile

My guess - if it happens - would be for 2 or 3 flights a day, much like ICT.

mariner



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User currently offlineDenverDanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3652 times:



Quoting Quickmover (Reply 1):
Wonder if it's too late to catch some of the upcoming ski traffic? Perhaps it doesn't take that long to set up a station in places like Aspen or Steamboat.

Most of the ski resorts aren't even open or fully open yet (no snow). Plus they run well into March and beyond. We are just getting a big storm in the mountains right now bringing 1-3 feet of snow. So, the resorts are just going to be getting going this following week. i have a friend who teaches snowboard up at aspen/snowmass, and there was no work for him around thanksgiving (traditional opening time for resorts) because no snow = no people. So, I feel there is plenty of time for Frontier to do it if they want.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3610 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 18):
Oh, I dunno, I don't even know that they are going to announce Aspen. But I do have a (small) side bet on it.

My guess - if it happens - would be for 2 or 3 flights a day, much like ICT.

mariner

I would guess 5 to 6 on the ASE routes. The nice thing is that they can meet the banks at DEN, and really make a good chunk of change during morning and evening flights from business flyers.



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3586 times:

What does everyone think would be the best mountain town profit wise? ASE is a given but Telluride and Durango have alot of potential too.

User currently offlineCarsAir04 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3575 times:



Quoting Quickmover (Reply 21):
Telluride and Durango have alot of potential too.

just by chance i was looking for flights last night from Denver to Durango for next week. Cheapest flights $961 round trip, at least for the times we were looking. I looked into Telluride and it was $550-600. Lynx could really go into both of those markets and hold their own. I believe Telluride would be a great location, not only for skiing, but for summer activities in that area. I just don't think they are on the radar though. I have a feeling it will be more popular skiing destinations Aspen being one of them. Though Telluride is popular, it is at least 5-6 hours of driving from Denver and last I heard, they were getting up to 5ft of snow today. Not bad for skiing.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 21):
ASE is a given but Telluride and Durango have alot of potential too.

Indeed, ASE is a given. Our UAX flights to ASE constantly go full. I haven't seen our winter schedule to ASE yet, but I think we're running them every 45 minutes between the CR7's and DH2's.

A flight to TEX might not be the best idea though, especially if started during winter. Great Lakes currently has the only DEN-TEX service, and is only run during daylight hours as all IAP's into TEX are authorized during daylight hours only. Also, TEX does not have a precision approach, they only have a GPS, LOC/DME, and VOR/DME, all of them with extremely high minimums .....2000' MDA, 2sm visibility...... or higher.

With any adverse winter weather, most all TEX flights are forced to divert.....and would not be the best introductory flight for Lynx. TEX would be best suited to be started in the summer, if at all.

[Edited 2007-12-01 19:51:07]


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3531 times:



Quoting CarsAir04 (Reply 22):
just by chance i was looking for flights last night from Denver to Durango for next week. Cheapest flights $961 round trip, at least for the times we were looking. I looked into Telluride and it was $550-600.

UAL sure seems to be taking advantage of the route. On 12/14, I count 7 nonstops on DEN-DRO.

Interesting that they have a dash 8-200 flight at 8:55 pm and a crj200 departure 10 minutes later at 9:05. The crj200 gets to DRO 10 minutes sooner than the dash 8 (FWIW).


25 Ytib : They have code share service to TEX already, so why would they impact that relationship when the aircraft could be used elsewhere. Also Telluride does
26 Quickmover : I'm not so sure about that. It's not like they just decided last week to fly to ASE some day. I would bet they have been working with the airport for
27 DenverDanny : I'm gonna disagree with this. Sure, people buy their tickets ahead of time for normal travel... but ski resorts are something a bit different. Whenev
28 CarsAir04 : According to the aspen website, closing date is mid April. Assume the date given in the article, Dec. 7th for approval. Then give another 60 days to g
29 Quickmover : I just can't see why it would take 60 days to get a station open. Surely some of the early work is already done. 30 days maybe.
30 Flyboy80 : The Lynx plane looks very nice, are all the tails going to have baby animals on them?
31 CarsAir04 : no. The first couple did, but there are adult animals on them now.
32 Tripleboom : A good reason for that is probably the lack of Q400 a/c currently. With 8 E-170s flying for Frontier right now, No QX CRJs anymore, and no Q400s, the
33 Post contains links KarlB737 : Update to original topic: Certification could hit today. Courtesy: KWCH-TV Frontier's Regional Turboprop Operation Could Start Thursday http://www.kwc
34 Post contains links Ytib : Actually service starts on Friday afternoon (today). Details here: Lynx Aviation Receives Approval! (by Tripleboom Dec 4 2007 in Civil Aviation)
35 Slider : Actaully, they can with a jetbridge adaptor, similar to RJs with airstairs that drop down.
36 Tripleboom : Yup. Boarded via JetWay in Sioux City yesterday. Watch your head on the entry through that main cabin door. It might be 6'4" in the aisle, but it's l
37 Quickmover : How was the ride? Did it seem like the plane climbs as fast as advertised? Is it quiet?
38 Tripleboom : Compared to similarly sized aircraft I found the noise level no louder than a CRJ, and a few rides toward the back of a CR7 I found to be noisier tha
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