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Running Through The "Exit Only" Door  
User currently offlinePiedmontINT From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

I just flew into GSO a couple weeks ago and on my way out of the terminal I passed through the "Exit Only" door / portal / whatever that of course is only for pax exiting the terminal while pax entering have to go through security. Of course every airport has a different version of this but they are mainly just an open door or corridor that is semi-sealed off and manned by a TSA agent sitting and watching to make sure people go through security and not go through the exit only door.

Now my question is this: what is to stop some crazed lunatic from barreling through the exit only door and tearing off into the terminal and doing God-knows-what? Usually it seems there is an older (sometimes even elderly) person guarding the door and no offense to the ladies or the more senior population, but alot of the time a smaller older woman who doesn't seem like she would be able to stop anyone bigger than a high school kid.

I know of course the police would be called immediately, but in a large hub where there are sometimes huge crowds, it may be difficult to stop someone before they could cause an event. Does anyone have any insight / thoughts as to what would happen should some idiot go tearing through that door?

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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3437 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2799 times:



Quoting PiedmontINT (Thread starter):
Does anyone have any insight / thoughts as to what would happen should some idiot go tearing through that door?

I believe when this has happened in the past the entire terminal is evacuated



When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

If the person is contained under observation and makes no contact with other pax then upon apprehension they would most likely be answering to the police & if traveling, screened and probably delayed lol. If the person is lost in the mix, then TSA would have to empty the concours(es) affected. Example: Here at CVG we have a train that takes pax to the concoures just aft of the terminal 3 checkpoint. If there is a breach called then TSA would flip a switch at the checkpoint and that would activate a gate that closes between the escalators to concourses B & (the transfer station) to concourse C. In theory this would cut off access to the main two concourses & limit the possible breach suspect to only the A concourse. Cutting down the number of pax that "might" have to be rescreened (based on the second sentence). And sidenote, no aircraft push from the gates, all boarding is held & shuttle transportation stops as well during security breaches to kind of help minimize the person eluding authorities. Can't really speak for other airports as I don't know their systems.
And just personally, anyone who breaches security deserves a public ass kicking for fucking up everyone elses day. And yea so do screeners who cause breaches out of (sincere) incompetence. Seen it done folks. Results sucked!

Tchau
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User currently offlinePiedmontINT From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

Ok maybe I should have worded my question differently. The point of the question was what is to stop some crazed bomb-toting lunatic from running past the elderly person "guarding" the door and doing who knows what in the terminal or possibly getting aboard an aircraft?

To me this practice seems to be a huge hole in security I honestly think if someone was hell-bent on doing this, they would unfortunately succeed.


User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2696 times:



Quoting PiedmontINT (Reply 3):
The point of the question was what is to stop some crazed bomb-toting lunatic from running past the elderly person "guarding" the door and doing who knows what in the terminal or possibly getting aboard an aircraft?

Nothing... it's called risk, welcome to life.



You know the gear is up and locked when it takes full throttle to taxi to the terminal.
User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Here is what happened when security was breached at OAK:

Man Bolted Past Security
KGO By Leslie Brinkley

Jan. 5 - KGO - Oakland International Airport is slowly getting back to normal after a security breach triggered chaos inside and outside the airport.

The Alameda County Sheriff's Department tells ABC7 News that this could be the tale of a confused traveler. They say that a man bolted past security at an exit around 11 o'clock this morning and that resulted in full scale chaos.

Rosemary Barnes, Oakland Airport Spokesperson: "At approximately 11:00 a.m. today at Oakland International Airport, we had a security breach in Terminal 2. "

A man in his 30s approached a security guard where passengers exit to the baggage claim area from Southwest Airline flights.

J.D. Nelson, Alameda County Sheriff's Dept.: "The person asked, 'Where is carousel four?' which is located in Terminal 1. The person then went back up through the exit, the way that he had come out."

Airport security and sheriff's deputies launched an extensive search of all the planes on the ground and all the gates. By noon, when a suspect was not found, both terminals were evacuated, with passengers herded into the parking lots in front of the airport. Roads were blocked and all incoming airport traffic was stopped, creating gridlock for miles.

Rosemary Barnes: "Between noon, when the evacuation began, and one o'clock, there was a full search conducted of our sterile areas which includes all of our boarding gate areas, our restrooms, back behind security, our concessions areas."

The airport was declared secure and re-opened, but the elusive suspect was never found.

As passengers re-entered check-in lines and traffic flow resumed, passengers say it took an hour-and-a-half to make it through security.

Airlines held flights so there were no cancellations, but a dozen flights were delayed.

Passenger: "At least I don't have to make connections. A lot of these people are making connections and that's going to be tough."

Although some passengers might have gotten a little impatient, those we spoke with were all compliant and glad that security measures were in place, even if it took a full scale evacuation.

In the end though, they never caught the guy that started all the chaos.

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Here is what happened at SNA after a security breach:

SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — Both terminals at John Wayne Airport were temporarily evacuated Sunday evening and passengers were taken off airplanes after a female passenger made it past a security checkpoint without being screened, authorities said.

Hundreds of travelers — even those aboard airplanes — were required to undergo a second security check, said Nico Melendez of the Transportation Security Administration.

Six outgoing flights were delayed as passengers were re-screened and put back on the planes, Melendez said. Authorities did not provide details Sunday night about who slipped past security or how she managed to do so.

An alarm sounded shortly after 5:30 p.m. and Orange County Sheriff's deputies and airport security began evacuating the terminals. Lines snaked out the doors as travelers lined up again in front of checkpoints.

Passengers erupted in cheers when the checkpoints reopened for screening at 7:20 p.m, said Orange County Sheriff's Lt. Hayward Miller. Many passengers missed their flights and were forced to rebook on later flights.

Many sat on their suitcases or on the ground, fanning themselves to cool off in the sweltering airport as they waited to be re-screened.

Robin Lavengood, 43, was one of hundreds of passengers waiting to begin re-screening. He had just walked in the door of the airport when the evacuation began.

He was trying to get on a 7 p.m. flight to Portland. "I don't think it's gonna happen now," he said, surveying the throng of people.

The airport, 35 miles south of Los Angeles, served more than 9.6 million passengers last year and hosts flights from Southwest, Delta, United and American, among others.

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Here is what happend at a security beach at the Delta terminal at JFK:

A security breach delayed 48 flights and thousands of passengers last night for several hours at the Delta Air Lines terminals at Kennedy International Airport, according to the Transportation Security Administration.
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The incident began about 6:40 p.m. when a man bypassed security screening by entering through a passenger exit lane, eluding a guard. Security agents searched in vain for the man for more than an hour, then ordered all passengers and employees out of terminals No. 1 and 2. After the police and security officers searched the buildings, everyone who wanted to re-enter was required to pass through security.

Investigators determined that the man, whose name was not released, had boarded a flight to Albany; he was taken into custody upon landing. The man had no weapons and posed no terrorist risk, the authorities said. Why and how he evaded the security check was under investigation.

Some people at Kennedy Airport were still delayed as of 11 p.m.

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Hope this answers your question. You can search Google news for many more stories just like this one.


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

I just saw an article in on library's vertical files about a guy back in the late 1980s that did this at DAB. I think he walked though, instead of running. But anyway, he brought a gun, went down a jetway (between unloading and loading the next flight) and demanded that the flight crew takeoff. He was either a current ERAU student or recent alumni. Apparently he was stressed or something and just wanted to leave. It certainly didn't think of other strategies first. Anyways, the cops were able to handle the situation and got him to surrender before anything worse happened.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23223 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2309 times:



Quoting PiedmontINT (Reply 3):
The point of the question was what is to stop some crazed bomb-toting lunatic from running past the elderly person "guarding" the door and doing who knows what in the terminal or possibly getting aboard an aircraft?

There's also nothing to stop the bomb-toting lunatic from blowing himself up in the ticketing lobby or baggage claim area, either. Do you have a suggestion for avoiding the problem?



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User currently offlinePiedmontINT From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2243 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
There's also nothing to stop the bomb-toting lunatic from blowing himself up in the ticketing lobby or baggage claim area, either. Do you have a suggestion for avoiding the problem?

Of course that can happen, but it wouldn't even necessarily have to be a bomb. If his intentions are to hijack an aircraft or get on a flight with a gun or knife, whats to stop him? And I am surprised that someone hasn't done that because there is absolutely nothing preventing someone from bringing in a bomb(s) and inflicting HUGE casualties in a large common baggage claim area (LAS comes to mind with all of the carosuels in one large room).

I guess my point is you would think that they would have someone capable of stopping such a person right near the exit only door to prevent such a person from breaching security (and the associated costs in money, delays, manpower, etc.). Maybe hire an ex-linebacker or something to guard the door! Have that person be more like a bouncer rather than Grandma or Grandpa. It is just way too easy to plow through that door and cause trouble, even if not a terror attack. It seems to me that its another example of the "illusion of security" that TSA provides.


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