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User currently offlinePacificWest From United States of America, joined May 2007, 77 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

First I have to say that I absolutely love this Airline. Love their fleet, the interiors are always clean, and their employees seem like they could be your next door neighbor.

But does anyone know why they are completely phasing out the Q200? The Q400 (76pax?) seems a little big for cities like Klamath Falls, Coos Bay, Pendleton, Pasco, etc. Would it mean that the frequencies would be cut in half from say 4 to 2? Or could this eventually lead to them dropping a few of their smaller markets?

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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2739 times:
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If I remember right, the cost per seat mile is equal or lower for the Q400 than it is for the Q200. Therefore, QX can provide higher capacity to their destinations and a more comfortable, faster ride on a Q400 for the same price as the Q200's. I flew on the Q200 between PDX and SEA not too long ago because they were selling them off. I'll miss them as well.

User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2703 times:



Quoting PacificWest (Thread starter):
But does anyone know why they are completely phasing out the Q200? The Q400 (76pax?) seems a little big for cities like Klamath Falls, Coos Bay, Pendleton, Pasco, etc. Would it mean that the frequencies would be cut in half from say 4 to 2? Or could this eventually lead to them dropping a few of their smaller markets?

In a lot of markets you'll see a shift from all Q200, to a mix of 200 & 400 until the second batch of Q400's arrive next year. In a few markets (YYJ, BLI, etc..) we've already seen a 100% switch to all q400 service. The frequencies are cut but not in half, and generally there is an increase in capacity in spite of the frequency cutbacks. You'd see something like a switch from 6 Q200's to 4 Q400's resulting in a 33% increase in capacity (using 74 seats). This also resulted in a significant drop in fares especially in the SEA-BLI and SEA-PDX markets.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

The twelve Horizon Q200's not going to Commutair are listed For Sale on www.planemart.com with delivery from 4th Qtr 2008 to 3rd Qtr 2009. All 1997 builds with about 22,000 hrs.

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User currently offlineAirnerd From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

I like the Q400 fine - but the reduction in frequencies in service it brings to some of the smaller stations is a real drag. PDX-ACV is a good example... With the D328 we had two (maybe three) direct flights per day. Now with the Q400 we're down to a single flight that's a triangle route through RDD with no non-stops (there's a stop in RDD both outbound and inbound) I used to fly QX to ACV at least 3 or 4 times per year. Now, even though they've upgraded the aircraft, I rarely make the trip with them anymore since the schedule is so bad. Plus with nasty weather at ACV, finicky planes and only one flight in or out to the north per day, the possibility of getting stranded is too high. Last spring, I got stranded there for 36 hours while two Q400s had technical difficulties. I generally now prefer to fly UA through SFO or just drive the 7 hours....

User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2314 times:



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 2):
This also resulted in a significant drop in fares especially in the SEA-BLI and SEA-PDX markets.

Still waiting for a drop (significant or otherwise) for SEA-YYJ  irked  . Yeah I know, dream on !


User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2164 times:



Quoting Airnerd (Reply 7):
I like the Q400 fine - but the reduction in frequencies in service it brings to some of the smaller stations is a real drag. PDX-ACV is a good example... With the D328 we had two (maybe three) direct flights per day. Now with the Q400 we're down to a single flight that's a triangle route through RDD with no non-stops (there's a stop in RDD both outbound and inbound) I used to fly QX to ACV at least 3 or 4 times per year. Now, even though they've upgraded the aircraft, I rarely make the trip with them anymore since the schedule is so bad. Plus with nasty weather at ACV, finicky planes and only one flight in or out to the north per day, the possibility of getting stranded is too high. Last spring, I got stranded there for 36 hours while two Q400s had technical difficulties. I generally now prefer to fly UA through SFO or just drive the 7 hours....

When I first moved to Humboldt in January 2001, QX had three Q200 'triangle route' flights a day into ACV and RDD. Back then UAex also flew a couple of flights a day between ACV and PDX but those ended after 9/11. The 3 daily QX Q200's left ACV at something like 9am, 1pm and 6pm. The first and last flight of the day did SEA-PDX-ACV-RDD-PDX-SEA and the middle flight of the day flight did SEA-PDX-RDD-ACV-PDX-SEA. I think the middle of the day flight was axed before the Q400's started serving our communities because that flight usually had light loads. It was not timed well for connections. The one time I flew it, the pilot announced that he was going to take us on a scenic route at 8K feet up to Newport then head over to PDX to avoid headwinds. As usual, I had a window seat on the left. It was a spectacular flight to say the least. I usually flew the 6pm from ACV up to SEA to visit friends over the weekend then flew the 2pm out of SEA on Sunday back to ACV. I don't do that trip as much anymore because the only northbound flight leaves at 11:45am which means I have to take a whole day off from work to fly north. Plus QX charges over $300 for that flight now. Lately I either drive or fly UA because they offer more options throughout the day and at times you can snag a $200 E-Fare special.

After the Q400's started flying into here and before QX started the LAX flights out of ACV/RDD, they flew two flights a day down here from SEA and PDX. One left SEA at 6am and the other at 2PM. The 2pm stopped in PDX then went straight to ACV. That was one of the most spectacular flights. We usually paralleled I-5 to Grants Pass then aimed towards CEC where we went out to sea and paralleled the coast down to Trinidad Head and landed in ACV from the north. If it was clear, the left side was provided with incredible views of Redwood National Park and the coastline. I often noticed the flight attendants taking in the view after they finished the inflight service. Northbound, the Q400 flights left ACV at something like 11am and 6pm which allowed you to work most of the day then fly north after work like the old Q200 3/day schedule.

If QX was to be so kind as to add a second flight a day to ACV and RDD from the north. They should consider doing an evening flight that flies PDX-RDD-ACV or stops in ACV first then RON at either airport. Since ACV is notorious for fog, they may want to RON in ACV like the 6am flight to LAX does. The evening flight should be timed for connections from PDX bound QX, AS, DL, AA, NW and CO flights. Then first thing in the morning, do the reverse north to PDX where the flight arrives in time to provide connections to outbound QX, AS, DL, AA, NW and CO flights. The existing 11:45am flight to RDD and PDX gets in to Portland too late to connect to much of anything except for the late afternoon flights to Alaska and a handful of QX flights around the northwest.

Flyboy80, it is because of flight crew like you and many others I have talked to on Horizon flights, I feel QX is one of the top airlines I have traveled on in the world. QX provides the quality of inflight service that used to be the norm prior to deregulation. Thank you for all you have done!! You are right, flying on the Q200 is like flying in a special club and the aircraft is small enough and slow enough, that we usually had time for a quick beer when flying between RDD and ACV. That quickly ended with the Q400's because they can do the trip in 23 minutes.



I'm leavin on a jet plane. Don't know when I'll be back again....
User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

If you miss them a lot come east and take a CO Connection flight to a place like ERI or CMH because that's where they are going.

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