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SQ Pulls 777ER'S From US Markets In Jan  
User currently offlineCtrav11 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 8 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17112 times:

Just found out from my travel agent that SQ has decided to pull the 777-300ER from its North American routes in the months of January and February. SQ corporate told my travel agent it was a "financial decision". I had booked SQ 28 SIN-LAX VIA TPE on 1/24 specifically so I could experience the new products. A few days ago SQ alerted my travel agent of the change. What a disappointment!

Not sure how long this is supposed to last but maybe someone out there in the know has a better idea of what's going on.

Respectfully Submitted,
CR

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User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17106 times:

Thats odd. I wonder where these birds are going to be used then?? Will these routes then be used with 744s??

Can anybody shed light on this situation


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17000 times:

Ctrav11, I am sorry to hear of your disappointment that you have been transferred to a Boeing 777-200ER flight instead of your intended Boeing 777-300ER flight.

From 11 January 2008 until March, there are aircraft rotation adjustments with the Boeing 777-300ERs which require that aircraft to serve another route. This means that SQ28/SQ27 will be downgraded to a 4x weekly service operated solely by the Boeing 777-200ER.

SQ28/SQ27 resumes a daily service with Boeing 777-200ERs and Boeing 777-300ERs from 01 March 2008.

From 31 March 2008, SQ28/SQ27 becomes a daily Boeing 777-300ER service.

I hope this answers your question and I do wish you a pleasant flight despite this turn of events.

[Edited 2007-12-03 16:32:39]


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User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16939 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 2):
From 11 January 2008 until March, there are aircraft rotation adjustments with the Boeing 777-300ERs which require that aircraft to serve another route. This means that SQ28/SQ27 will be downgraded to a 4x weekly service operated solely by the Boeing 777-200ER

Interesting thanks for the info. Where are these 77Ws being used?? On just intra asia routes??


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16899 times:

To be clear, the 77W is NOT being pulled from SFO-ICN-SIN, only LAX-TPE-SIN for the time period mentioned above.


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User currently offline9V-SPJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16703 times:

I just check on www.singaporeair.com and SQ27/28 is operating on T,W,F,Sat, Sun. This must be the first time in a long time that it is not a daily flight!!!!

9V-SPJ


User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1884 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16180 times:

I think the temporary pull out of the 77W is to place the aircraft on the daily SIN-MXP-BCN flights... according to sqtalk.com

But I have to say it is surprised that SQ will reduce frequency during a traditional busy time at Taiwan, (Chinese New Year is on FEB 7), and flights to and from HK, Taiwan, China, Singapore, and Malaysia can be busy...

Carfield


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16076 times:

The LAX-TPE-SIN has been downgraded in recent years. Singapore used to run two daily 747-400 flights to Singapore from Los Angeles, one routed LAX-NRT-SIN flt #11 and one LAX-TPE-SIN flt #27.

Flt #27 was made famous (or infamous) when a pilot made a wrong turn at TPE and tried to take off on runway 5R which was being rehabilitated. It crashed into some construction equipment on 31/10/02.

Then Singapore introduced the nonstop LAX-SIN flt #37 using A340-500 which usually charges higher fares than either the other two one-stop flights.

The non-stop has a better schedule leaving LAX at 20:00 and arriving at 6:20 and the one-stop via TPE leaves LAX at 23:20 and arrives at 11:50 taking 2 hrs 10 mins longer. Plus the non-stop has executive economy which has more legroom and wider seats.


User currently offline198467 From Singapore, joined Jan 2007, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15451 times:

The plane that crashed at TPE was SQ 006, operated from SIN - TPE - LAX, if I recall correctly.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15355 times:



Quoting Carfield (Reply 6):
But I have to say it is surprised that SQ will reduce frequency during a traditional busy time at Taiwan, (Chinese New Year is on FEB 7), and flights to and from HK, Taiwan, China, Singapore, and Malaysia can be busy...

SQ are not reducing frequency overall; they are shifting capacity to where it is most needed.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6863 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15210 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 2):
you have been transferred to a Boeing 777-200ER flight instead of your intended Boeing 777-300ER flight.

Hey - RR instead of GE!  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14661 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 4):
To be clear, the 77W is NOT being pulled from SFO-ICN-SIN, only LAX-TPE-SIN for the time period mentioned above.

Phew, was ready to jump out of my skin considering I am flying SQ 15 on Jan 2nd.

Quoting PM (Reply 10):
Hey - RR instead of GE!

 rotfl 

Noone else can get away with that.



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User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14585 times:

what a drag! the 777-300 is a beautiful bird.......It is frustrating out of BNE to SIN as well how they thrash the 777-200 on that route...it is always full. You hop off to connect with BKK and getting onto the 773 is just magic!


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User currently offlineSQA350 From Thailand, joined Apr 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14421 times:



Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 12):
what a drag! the 777-300 is a beautiful bird.......It is frustrating out of BNE to SIN as well how they thrash the 777-200 on that route...it is always full. You hop off to connect with BKK and getting onto the 773 is just magic!

But the B773 to BKK is not the B77W...



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User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13121 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 7):
Then Singapore introduced the nonstop LAX-SIN flt #37 using A340-500 which usually charges higher fares than either the other two one-stop flights.

This is another thing i find odd about the A345.... Singapore have it flying nonstop to LAX but still have two other ways to get there (Via ICN or TPE) and charge more.
I would presume that the A345 would be more for biz passengers but when the other routes have the new biz class, I know that i would rather pay less and spend more time then onboard the 77W!! (I mean for all a.nutters..... if someone said that they would buy you a biz class ticket for SIN-LAX, which way would you go!!)

I can understand using the A345 on routes that singapore have no other services to or where the range is used to serve another city that they would like to serve but i guess where would they do that!!


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6087 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12929 times:



Quoting Ctrav11 (Thread starter):

North America or LAX? Sabre still shows the 77W operating flight (16/15) SIN-ICN-SFO r/t. So your title of pulling them from N. America is incorrect. SFO ( pending a MAJOR earthquake ) is still in North America. Now pulling them from LAX, correct.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12753 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 14):
(I mean for all a.nutters..... if someone said that they would buy you a biz class ticket for SIN-LAX, which way would you go!!)

I'd take the non-stop unless the product is significantly overrated. After so many years of flying every week, the stop-overs get old at least for me.

I know I'll probably get flamed for this but I think business class on the 77W is overrated. Maybe the regular SQ J class flyers like Zvezda can help me out here but I think the J class on the 744's is better comfort-wise than that on the 77W.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 14):
can understand using the A345 on routes that singapore have no other services to or where the range is used to serve another city that they would like to serve but i guess where would they do that!!

I am pretty sure they know what they're doing.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
North America or LAX? Sabre still shows the 77W operating flight (16/15) SIN-ICN-SFO r/t. So your title of pulling them from N. America is incorrect.

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User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12402 times:



Quoting 198467 (Reply 8):
The plane that crashed at TPE was SQ 006, operated from SIN - TPE - LAX, if I recall correctly.



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 7):
LAX-TPE-SIN flt #27.

It went from 006 to 027 or something like that

There are also rumors on SQtalk that the SIN - LAX non-stop will be dropped and will go from SIN - IAD instead

Regards
Ag92


User currently offlineBOACVC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11343 times:



Quoting Ag92 (Reply 17):
There are also rumors on SQtalk that the SIN - LAX non-stop will be dropped and will go from SIN - IAD instead

I searched through SQtalk, but couldn't find any articles readily. Do you have any information on this or a URL where some facts / possibilities are being discussed, please ?

I would think that US-Singapore relations are really so compatible and the number of transit passengers already going somewhere/SIN/LHR/VS-IAD and also SIN/EWR and SIN/FRA/JFK -> Northeastern United states and vv in both directions, that it would make sense to add SIN/IAD direct if possible.

Note EWR is a convenient airport if you are willing to take a long train journey/car journey after you land from a very long flight. (SIN/EWR = 18 comfortable hours), then EWR/DC = 3.5 uncomfortable hours by car, 3.0 hours by train. Or, EWR/ACY or EWR/NYC etc = 2 hours by car.

Any way to put in a request or start a signup campaign to book advance seats on this particular route ?

I just transferred 60+K amex points to SQ Krisflyer miles and want to encourage others also use this method of earning SQ miles from US expenses. I get to go home faster!

BOACVC10



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11066 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 14):
This is another thing i find odd about the A345.... Singapore have it flying nonstop to LAX but still have two other ways to get there (Via ICN or TPE) and charge more.
I would presume that the A345 would be more for biz passengers but when the other routes have the new biz class, I know that i would rather pay less and spend more time then onboard the 77W!! (I mean for all a.nutters..... if someone said that they would buy you a biz class ticket for SIN-LAX, which way would you go!!)

SQ will be reconfiguring the A340-500s with the new business class seats after CNY. Even before that, I'd rather take the nonstop.

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 16):
I know I'll probably get flamed for this but I think business class on the 77W is overrated. Maybe the regular SQ J class flyers like Zvezda can help me out here but I think the J class on the 744's is better comfort-wise than that on the 77W.

Overall, I prefer SQ's new business class (having most recently flown it a few days ago back to Europe from SIN). The only thing I prefer about the SpaceBed is not having to get up to put it in bed mode. However, having done it about twenty times now, I can convert the new seats to bed mode in under 20 seconds without having to think about it, so it doesn't wake me up as much as it used to. I'm happy that the A340-500s will be converted and I hope that newer 777-200ERs will be too.


User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5309 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10952 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 14):
I would presume that the A345 would be more for biz passengers but when the other routes have the new biz class

No other plane currently in the SQ fleet can do LAX-SIN or EWR-SIN (or IAD-SIN) nonstop. SQ determined that the economics of operating 777-200LRs on the routes (which, if newly delivered, would probably have the new J product) would not be superior enough to warrant prematurely replacing the A340-500 fleet. There are two reasons SQ will not refit the product to its A340-500s: first, they will likely leave the fleet relatively quickly as next-generation aircraft start arriving (and could potentially be replaced by specially configured 787-9s); and, second, they are already on the ragged edge of their payload/range performance and the new J product is heavier than the old.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10725 times:



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 20):
There are two reasons SQ will not refit the product to its A340-500s: first, they will likely leave the fleet relatively quickly as next-generation aircraft start arriving (and could potentially be replaced by specially configured 787-9s); and, second, they are already on the ragged edge of their payload/range performance and the new J product is heavier than the old.

While you made some reasonable guesses, you're actually mistaken on three points:
1) SQ will fit the new business class seats to their A340-500s a few months from now following Chinese New Year,
2) the A340-500s are slated to be replaced by the A350-900s, not by the 787-9s, and
3) the new business class seats are much lighter than the SpaceBeds due to having far fewer electric motors.

The plan is to fit an all business class configuration of about one hundred seats. Due to fewer and lighter seats as well as fewer passengers and bags and six rather than eight lavs, range with a full passenger payload will increase 400-500nm.


User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5309 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10651 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 21):
While you made some reasonable guesses, you're actually mistaken on three points

Thanks for correcting! Clearly I picked up some bad information somewhere along the line...

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 21):
The plan is to fit an all business class configuration of about one hundred seats. Due to fewer and lighter seats as well as fewer passengers and bags and six rather than eight lavs, range with a full passenger payload will increase 400-500nm.

Is there sufficient J demand to allow for decent yields on a very expensive ULH flight with no cargo in this sort of configuration?


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10374 times:



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 22):
Is there sufficient J demand to allow for decent yields on a very expensive ULH flight with no cargo in this sort of configuration?

An alternative to flying 400-500nm further would be to load an extra 8 tonnes or so of cargo, beyond that which they carry now. Especially to EWR, SQ always has good loads and yields in business class. LAX is not bad either. Despite about 50% more business class seats, I don't think loads or yields will suffer much because the new seats are very, very nice. BTW, the seats will be those from the WhaleJet not from the 777-300ER.


User currently offline9V-SPJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9874 times:

SQ006 was changed to SQ030 and then SQ028. The aircraft has been downgraded, but the frequency has always been daily.

9V-SPJ


25 Singapore_Air : An extra 8 tonnes of cargo?! If I recall correctly, that's more than double what they carry now! (4 - 8tonnes?)
26 Zvezda : Yes. Think about the weight of 80 passengers plus baggage.
27 Post contains images Norcal773 : I've never flown the old J class but have flown on the new one a few times and actually doing so on SQ 16 next week. I just find the seat to be hard
28 Kanebear : Most business travellers want the non-stop. Stopovers are an annoyance if they go perfectly. Weather happens. Delays happen, etc. So a stopover is an
29 BRxxx : This is amusing, why downgrade a gold route that makes so much money?? Malaysia does KUL-TPE-LAX (744). EVA has 3 x daily TPE-LAX (77W). CI has 2 x TP
30 Norcal773 : Wait, depends on the definition of the word 'downgrade'. Capacity-wise, the 77W carries 278 passengers in a 3 classes configuration while the 772 car
31 Norcal773 : ...and the threat title sure is misleading. 'SQ pulls 777ER's from US markets' means they wouldn't be flying any 77W's or 772ER's to the US period but
32 Zvezda : It is more than misleading; it is false. SQ are temporarily pulling 777-300ER service from exactly one US market, not from plural US markets.
33 Eghansen : Trans-pacific to Asia out of LAX is almost all foreign. United has two flights per day: one LAX-NRT and one LAX-HKG, Northwest has one flight per day
34 LACA773 : I remember sometime ago, there was much discussion and I know this is old news on how SQ wasn't "thrilled' with the performance/economics of the 345
35 Post contains images Norcal773 : No, SQ apparently decided the benefit of keeping the A345's until the A350/787's arrive is greater than dumping them and buying the 77L which is a pr
36 Zvezda : It's most likely too late. It would have made sense a few years ago if SQ could have sold their A340-500s for a good price, but they were unable to.
37 LACA773 : Norcal773 & Zvezda, Thanks for the information. I learned someting tonight and find that to be very vital. I apreciate you guys answering my question
38 Norcal773 : No worries. I could be wrong but I remember reading somewhere they might retrofit the LAX A345's with business class only. Personally, I'll believe i
39 SQ452 : Doesn't surprise me that they are pulling some 77W's off the LAX>TPE route. In fact, this is old news as when I booked the flight months ago the 77W/7
40 Zvezda : SIN-EWR nonstop does even better.
41 SQ452 : As has been discussed many times on this forum, from a $ perspective the flight on the whole looses money which is why SQ is looking at options with
42 Bmacleod : A 777-200ER seems rather small for LAX-SIN. Is SIN-JFK staying as A345? Whats the word on SIN-YVR?
43 QantasHeavy : I fly SQ business class on 4-8 sectors each month. While the space bed is indeed comfortable, I would have to say the new J product is outstanding. I
44 Eghansen : But it isn't, except for United. LAX handles more international passengers than any other airport in the US, including SFO, JFK and EWR. It is true t
45 Pellegrine : Very interesting information. But why not F and J, with the weight savings from the Y+ deletion it might be possible? Of course only SQ know what is
46 SQ452 : I know what you mean, we had the oldest SQ 772 in the fleet on HKG>SIN last night, complete with "arctic camo" raffles seats and no avod...felt like
47 SQ452 : I think SQ is insane for not putting an F product on the non-stop flights to the USA...I'd bet you that most everyone taking the J product is authori
48 PhilSquares : There is an issue with floor loading on the 345.
49 Zvezda : ICN-YVR is restricted to 3x weekly. I expect SQ to introduce nonstop 777-200ER service SIN-YVR either on the other four days or daily. You would lose
50 PhilSquares : Supposedly, it will be 1-1-1 with 6 F seats. I agree, but SQ has a very sever lack of capacity right now. So, they have to decide where to allocate t
51 SQ452 : What about the old SkySuites on the 747? Better than nothing... I know a lot of people that will be happy to hear that it will have F!!! Ok, let me r
52 Singapore_Air : Interesting news PhilSquares. To clarify, do you think this is 6 New First Class seats (F) or 6 Singapore Airlines Suites (R) ?
53 PhilSquares : It will be the new F seats, the R suites are too heavy. However, I will believe it when I see it. The ULH service, while the loads are good, the yiel
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