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CO Ad In Today's New York Times Takes Aim At Delta  
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 10995 times:

In today's New York Times there's a great full page CO ad which takes a direct jab at DL.

I will see if I can post a picture of the article later, but the title is..

"Change is..

what you get back after you have to pay for your meals on other airlines".

"CO is still serving free meals at Meal Times".

I thought it was a witty jab at DL's "Change is" advertising campaign.

A couple pages later in the New York Times there's another shot in the Bill Oreilly/Keith Olberman battle, this time it's FOX News congratulating Bill O' for his years of success beating MSNBC, CNN etc..


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 10945 times:



Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):

"Change is..

what you get back after you have to pay for your meals on other airlines".

"CO is still serving free meals at Meal Times".

I thought it was a witty jab at DL's "Change is" advertising campaign.

 rotfl  Ouch!! Not just making fun of DL but most other domestic airlines as well.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4745 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 10829 times:



Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
In today's New York Times there's a great full page CO ad which takes a direct jab at DL.

I will see if I can post a picture of the article later, but the title is..

"Change is..

what you get back after you have to pay for your meals on other airlines".

"CO is still serving free meals at Meal Times".

I thought it was a witty jab at DL's "Change is" advertising campaign.

Definitely witty and competitive. Guess CO's feeling some heat....



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5204 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 10832 times:

Humourous, yes. Fostering inter-SkyTeam relations... um, have to think about that...


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User currently offlineIAHcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3406 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 10780 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
Fostering inter-SkyTeam relations... um, have to think about that...

I'm sure they did ... So they have no right to whine if DL returns the favor.  bitelip 



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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 10684 times:

If I were Continental, I would be cautious of what I tout as a "free meal." CO rocks as an airline, but on the last few segments I've done from EWR, I'd have very happily tossed the "free meal" back to the FA, along with my $9, in trade for an AA/DL BOB sandwich or salad. The BOB stuff actually has taste and substance to it. Kind of along the lines of "do it right" or "don't do it at all" applies sometimes...


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4745 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 10700 times:

here's the ad...

Big version: Width: 600 Height: 800 File size: 38kb



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 10659 times:

That's almost as poor as the billboard they put up that said "Guess who's biggest to France from New York? Hint: It ain't Delta" as if Continental was biggest. Pathetic..

Besides, isn't there a thread on Flyertalk saying they're doing away with the free meals?



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 10509 times:



Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 5):
Humourous, yes. Fostering inter-SkyTeam relations... um, have to think about that...

Last time I checked, they are still very direct competitors.

SkyTeam relationship doesn't trump that, not at all.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4337 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 10456 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 8):
Besides, isn't there a thread on Flyertalk saying they're doing away with the free meals?

CO is absolutely not doing away with complimentary meal service whatsoever.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 10385 times:

They have one against United too thats like that

"Which airline is the biggest to asia?.. hint it isnt United"

Well it sure as hell isnt continental!



Which airline is trying to cover up the inadequacies in their routemap? .... hint it isnt UA or DL and they are hubbed in EWR!

Im all for creative and competitive marketing, but this CO "hint it isnt X" campaign is rather low and deceptive because in both cases they are calling out airlines that surpass CO's sevice (flights/seats) levels and making it seem CO has more when they really have less. Almost as trashy as NK's marketing  Wink



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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 10327 times:

Somehow I've always thought a bit less of corporate citizens that prefer to stab at their competitors rather than just tout what they bring to the game themselves. CO's got a great service to offer and has a nice network - what's the matter with just talking to it and leaving the competition out of it? I go back to when I was a kid and the airwaves were abound with Burger King and others batting at McD's over every deep-fried this and flame-broiled that. My dad, a very respectable guy I might add, used to say "that's what companies do when they are nervous about what they really offer." Today you've got the same thing being employed by companies and political candidates alike. Maybe the same premise still applies, maybe it's flawed, maybe it doesn't apply at all anymore. But I have enough respect for CO to know that they can stand on their own and earn probably more respect by taking these schemes out of their advertising and putting their dollars into ideas that better portray their image. I'm sure DL and UA both have done the same thing in the past, so I direct this post at those folks as well. But it does feel like CO practices these ad schemes more often and with more of a vengance that most other carriers.


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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3081 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

CO is basically pissed at DL for adding all the routes that CO had in their own plans (BOM, DXB, LOS, etc.) but didn't have aircraft to start. With DL's big expansion at JFK (and to a lesser extent ATL), CO is feeling the pressure as they're basically out of international expansion options until the 787s arrive.

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 10025 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 6):
I'd have very happily tossed the "free meal" back to the FA, along with my $9, in trade for an AA/DL BOB sandwich or salad. The BOB stuff actually has taste and substance to it.

Is catering 100%? What if they ran out of items by the time they get to you? Just curious.

Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 6):
Kind of along the lines of "do it right" or "don't do it at all" applies sometimes...

You can't please everybody, but you can try to please most.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 9992 times:



Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
Humourous, yes. Fostering inter-SkyTeam relations... um, have to think about that...

I can't see how two sky-team airlines can survive in the same city long term.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7506 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 9975 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 8):
That's almost as poor as the billboard they put up that said "Guess who's biggest to France from New York? Hint: It ain't Delta" as if Continental was biggest. Pathetic..

Its just catchy marketing. Its not pathetic, its funny. People will remeber that.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 14):
You can't please everybody, but you can try to please most.

This is what I like about CO especially with reguards to their route network. Instead of being all over the place, they focus on serveing the markets they have really well. CO isnt much use to me being in LA, but Ive always like flying them when I can.



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 9939 times:



Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 15):
I can't see how two sky-team airlines can survive in the same city long term.

A city with a metro population of 18 million plus people and add the people connecting through...a long while, I would think. There is more than enough room.



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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 9914 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 17):
A city with a metro population of 18 million plus people and add the people connecting through...a long while, I would think. There is more than enough room.

And furthermore, while I really don't want to turn this into a JFK vs. EWR thread, the two airports are pretty far from each other, and as such, appeal to different geographical markets as well (JFK serving Long Island, for example, while EWR is easily accessible from the NJ suburbs).


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 9886 times:



Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 18):
And furthermore, while I really don't want to turn this into a JFK vs. EWR thread, the two airports are pretty far from each other,

21.36 mi control tower to control tower  Silly , and lots of toll bridges and tunnels in between them.

Quoting Slider (Reply 9):
SkyTeam relationship doesn't trump that, not at all.

Depends on the airlines. AF/DL/KL/NW all share a very close business relationship with each other and make as much use of the alliance as possible. CO on the other hand...


User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 9838 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 14):
Is catering 100%? What if they ran out of items by the time they get to you? Just curious.

Good question - but I've no clue how they cater the BOB. I've never been turned down for what I wanted on any BOB flight and yep, had a few tense moments sitting at the back of the bus wondering if they'd still have that pesto chicken wrap by the time they got to me - but voila, on AA and DL I've not had a problem. DL has been particularly nice as the BOB is sandwiched in between the snack pack and another "treat" before landing (aka junk food). I do wonder if BOBlines so over-cater the items to ensure selection that the extra cost of "overcatering" is what tends to make the prices feel high to some?

On the other hand, was on a flight many months ago that was SUPPOSED to offer a free meal in both cabins, and while I received mine, the PA announcement came that they had run out of meals due to unexpected boardings, apologizing to those that didn't receive one. Personally I'd not be too upset, but I could hear some people in the back getting a bit bent out of shape. Guess they didn't have time to pull the catering truck back to the gate.



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 9813 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 20):
Good question - but I've no clue how they cater the BOB. I've never been turned down for what I wanted on any BOB flight and yep, had a few tense moments sitting at the back of the bus wondering if they'd still have that pesto chicken wrap by the time they got to me - but voila, on AA and DL I've not had a problem. DL has been particularly nice as the BOB is sandwiched in between the snack pack and another "treat" before landing (aka junk food). I do wonder if BOBlines so over-cater the items to ensure selection that the extra cost of "overcatering" is what tends to make the prices feel high to some?

On the other hand, was on a flight many months ago that was SUPPOSED to offer a free meal in both cabins, and while I received mine, the PA announcement came that they had run out of meals due to unexpected boardings, apologizing to those that didn't receive one. Personally I'd not be too upset, but I could hear some people in the back getting a bit bent out of shape. Guess they didn't have time to pull the catering truck back to the gate.

I rarely fly on other carriers where BOB is served and always wondered about it. Thank you.  Smile



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 9797 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
"Which airline is the biggest to asia?.. hint it isnt United"

Well it sure as hell isnt continental!

Actually, in terms of destinations served, Continental is the largest U.S. airline in Asia. Continental serves more cities in Asia than any U.S. airline.



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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 9767 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
Actually, in terms of destinations served, Continental is the largest U.S. airline in Asia. Continental serves more cities in Asia than any U.S. airline.

To be fair, that holds water only if you can convince a business traveler to fly from EWR to HNL, change planes to GUM, then again change in GUM to get to Seoul - and all that without lengthy layovers in between. They do have quite a few cities in SE Asia but they aren't oriented well for travelers from the mainland USA. Then again - that's not the point of Air Mike to begin with the way I understand it.

If that's what they were trying to advertise against United, then I agree with a previous poster - that's somewhat deceptive advertising.



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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 9753 times:

PS - if they were just trying to make a statement about "NYC" to Asia then that's different - not sure in what market this advertisement was placed.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 9752 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 23):
To be fair, that holds water only if you can convince a business traveler to fly from EWR to HNL, change planes to GUM, then again change in GUM to get to Seoul - and all that without lengthy layovers in between. They do have quite a few cities in SE Asia but they aren't oriented well for travelers from the mainland USA. Then again - that's not the point of Air Mike to begin with the way I understand it.

If that's what they were trying to advertise against United, then I agree with a previous poster - that's somewhat deceptive advertising.

It's not deceptive. It's the truth.

Deceptive would be, "We are the largest U.S. airline to Asia from the mainland United States." That's not what they say.



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25 Breaker1011 : Not trying to debate really - but in the context of the poster you quoted, that "truth" can also be "deceptive" at the same time. The ad (I've not eve
26 Breaker1011 : Not trying to debate really - but in the context of the poster you quoted, that "truth" can also be "deceptive" at the same time. The ad (I've not eve
27 MAH4546 : I don't even think CO offers legal connections such as IND-ICN. The point, IMO, was to show CO's extensive network, regardless of what city it is ser
28 Mir : No, that would be an outright lie. Saying that CO has the most destinations in Asia is deceptive, because even from LAX you have to take two connecti
29 MAH4546 : It's not an outright lie. CO serves the most destinations in Asia, like it or not. There is an argument to made that it is deceptive as a matter of o
30 Doug_Or : He didn't. he said ... and I for one agree with him because their ad implies that they provide services they don't. He did say that would be an outri
31 Mir : Saying that CO serves the most destinations in Asia from the mainland US would be an outright lie. Saying that they serve the most destinations in As
32 Post contains images Atmx2000 : But not for friendly relations
33 Wjcandee : Biggest. Better. Best. Under the law, this kind of stuff is usually called "puffing", and it's generally hard to make any kind of claim that it's dece
34 USAirALB : I've seen advertising for CO like we serve europe with ___________________. United can't take you there.
35 TinPusher007 : I think DL does a better marketing job of promoting itself rather than attacking CO. Alot of those CO ads are tacky and nothing more than a play on wo
36 Caljn : UA and DL are hubbed in EWR? Actually I believe you meant that perjoratively against CO and EWR. You must not live or travel throught the NY area. EW
37 SparkingWave : Yeah, but on CO you have to fly on all of CO's routes to actually get somewhere in Asia. Last I heard, EWR was in New Jersey, NOT New York. CO flunke
38 Post contains images Seabosdca : Plus a little island that, last time I was there, had a few people and a little congestion on it. This is New York, buddy. "Friendly relations" means
39 Letsgetwet : This is a good thing!
40 Caljn : Sticks and stones funny man... CO and EWR still the best for travelers in and around NY.
41 Tpaewr : You can see the Empire State Building from EWR's tarmac, yet it isn't NYC. Surely then CDG isn't really Paris since you certainly cannot see the Eiffe
42 Justlump : Yes, Newark is not actually within the confines of New York City. But everyone on this forum recognizes that EWR is a NYC airport. Using your logic,
43 SOBHI51 : Was in NY a couple of weeks ago and saw a lot of taxi's (cabs) with the following advertising from CO.This taxi can not take you to India (or on other
44 Wjcandee : That's similar to a famous quote from Mayor LaGuardia, actually. But the fact remains that on most days, it's faster or just as fast to downtown Manh
45 ConcordeBoy : The number of connections one need make has no bearing on the fact that CO does indeed offer the most destinations in Asia by a USA carrier. Read it
46 Tommy767 : I saw another one last week on a cabby when i was in NYC that said "Guess who flies NY non-stop to Milan? HINT: It ain't American" And then I thought
47 HNL-Jack : Indeed Continental does serve more destinations in Asia as long as you're going through their GUM hub. Not likely if you're living on the mainland US
48 Tpaewr : What city do these ads run in? Who flys to the most Asian cities (non-stop) from that city? What is the problem? CO isn't making these claims in LAX,
49 Post contains images BR715-A1-30 : Here is the way I see it... When you check into a hotel: If u wanna eat, its ur dime... When you drive to your destination: If u wanna eat, its ur dim
50 LACA773 : Continental does have the complimentary meal thing up on DL but all other domestic carriers as well. At least CO is still offering their customers an
51 Mir : EWR's roads are no picnic for the uninitiated either. Lots of places to go the wrong way between the Turnpike and the terminals, and signposting is s
52 Tpaewr : Why does everyone wanna ignore the fact these ads are in NYC, were they are true? For Christ sake CO has no desire to run connecting Mainland traffic
53 Post contains images Mir : Nothing at all. But the ad doesn't say "most non-stops to Asia from New York". Yeah, it is semantics, but that's what this website is for. No need to
54 Caspritz78 : 21.36 mi control tower to control tower Silly , and lots of toll bridges and tunnels in between them. And probably one of the most messed up traffic
55 Caljn : Traveling frequently between LAX and EWR on CO, and many times in the back, the meal is usually the pizza or the cheeseburger. Both hot, and honestly
56 Post contains images FoxXray : On a clear day you can see the Eiffel Tower from CDG
57 Post contains images STT757 :
58 Avek00 : What does membership in SkyTeam have to do with anything? Business is business.
59 Post contains links Luv2cattlecall : but COEX on the other hand... heck sometimes they can't even "geogrophi" the difference between a runway and a taxiway! Give-a give-a give-a give-a G
60 UAL777UK : Maybe so, but if you advertise in NY thats what your purporting to say.
61 DavidkunzVIE : They're not both based in RDU or CLT, but in New York.
62 Letsgetwet : For all of the people that don't live within a 2hour drive , west of the Hudson River. JFK or LGA may as well be on the other side of the country if
63 OA412 : I'm bothered by the one about France because it may not be DL but it certainly isn't CO since DL does fly to more destinations in France from NYC tha
64 Tpaewr : I agree! But, has anyone really seen this supposed ad? Or it is just the ongoing result of poor aviation reporting (imagine that!) I recall seeing th
65 Slider : LOL! Correct on both counts and thank you for the clarity!
66 Tpaewr : Your local car dealership in City X runs ads in City X, about their unbeatable lowest prices. You find find a better deal 6 states away. You think th
67 Surfdog75 : This should be on a billboard coming into EWR. At Delta it's satellite TV, on-demand movies, digital music, and fresh food Why bother with that when e
68 EWRCabincrew : That would be deceptive advertising as it not available on all flights, on all aircraft, for all passengers.
69 Tpaewr : I can respect your opinion about DL , CO has reduced their level of meal service since 9/11. About the billboard, that will be fair too, when DL (et
70 Tommy767 : But not all CO mainline flights have complimentary meals either. The line "Meals at Mealtime" is deceptive within itself. What exactly defines "Mealt
71 AA767LOVER : I'd have to agree that CO at EWR is far better than DL at JFK. My personal preference, at least. In the many flights I've taken via EWR on Continental
72 EWRCabincrew : Granted, but it costs a butt load to say (along the lines) "Meals (what we consider meals) at mealtime (that we think are mealtimes) on flights that
73 Surfdog75 : It is a little deceptive. Sometimes you don't get the rubber cheeseburger at CO, you get the plastic pizza. Don't worry, we'll put an asterisk with a
74 Mcamargo : CO's food isn't all that bad, IMHO. I mean, sure, some of the meals look like they've been squished together to fit in the little box/tray, but even
75 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : My saying this was in line with others previously saying the same thing concerning other advertising. Don't worry, I'll look for it.
76 Lemurs : The other nice thing that CO meals get you that BOB doesn't is special-needs meals out of the hubs. You can order and get kosher, vegan, gluten-free,
77 Alitalia744 : Well, deceptive is also the meal I didn't get on my EWR-ALB flight that left during a mealtime...so cuts both ways. That being said, this article has
78 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : Of course it does. Was aware of that.    Co-exist peacefully, too. Benefitting all.[Edited 2007-12-05 15:55:46]
79 WorldTraveler : neither CO or DL are based anywhere near NYC. Both are based in the South! Actually, DL does schedule aircraft on flights beyond a certain flight tim
80 Post contains images Phatfarmlines : What's with all the beef (pardon the pun) on CO's sandwiches? While it is a meager portion, I have not encountered a problem when the sandwich was fou
81 Post contains images AirTranTUS : Quoting yourself? At least you still agree. Certainly not a majority. Don't mess up things for most people because of a minority of others.
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