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User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9996 times:

Been discussed many times here but UA's now announced intentions to expand internationally by 15% over the next three years. Brace also mentioned reconfiguring existing aircraft or shifting birds in domestic use to international, or even ordering a "handful of international planes".

Any ideas? Unless the international expansion is for short hops, I can't see what other domestic planes would be reconfigured other than those currently used for Hawaii or 757s.

And as to new routes, anyone think it will be Asia-heavy or will UA go elsewhere? I've always thought UA needs a little more Latin American expansion (although IAD, as the likely hub, is not optimally located)--maybe IAD-SCL, IAD-PTY, IAD-CCS, and Europe....IAD-WAW?

Any rumours from HQ?

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9961 times:
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UA has many two-class 767-300ER and 777-200s that could be converted to three classes and used on international services.

User currently offlineScorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9922 times:

I wonder if these planes will be new or used. Carries like SQ will be shedding high quality used aircraft in the next few years that UA could pick up to add service. Their 744's even have PW engines so it would match their existing fleet.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
UA has many two-class 767-300ER and 777-200s that could be converted to three classes and used on international services.

I could see reduced domestic flying resulting in existing 757 routes being downgauged and these 757 taking over some domestic widebody service.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7600 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

If I had to venture a guess, my bet is that IAD will be the benefactor of the new international services. If I were UA I would focus on Latin America.


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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9919 times:

All of UA's 2-class B767s used to be B767-300ERs, they just downrated them to save $$$ and landing fees since they were flying to Hawaii to replace DC-10s.

User currently offlineScorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9887 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
If I had to venture a guess, my bet is that IAD will be the benefactor of the new international services. If I were UA I would focus on Latin America.

They haven't done so well in lat am recently. Depending on equipment added, i could see them doing DEN-NRT. Never been discussed but maybe a few IAD to asia routes.. maybe IAD-HKG? maybe also IAD-MOW.

next time china routes are up for grabs i'm sure they will apply for that too.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9796 times:

UA hubs don't favour them as gateways for Latinamerica that much and now when TA seems to be getting close to them, lots of potential UA Latin destinations are highly unlikely.

Yes, with immediate Asian connections both ways, I could see a limited but steady market for a ORD-PTY or even a SFO-PTY.
Also I could see some IAD <> MBJ, KIN, SDQ, STI, POS, BGI, SXM and ORD <> MBJ, KIN, BZE

But IAD <> CCS, SCL, LIM (even w/VVI - huge Bolivian community in D.C. area) could make UA lose money.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9778 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
If I had to venture a guess, my bet is that IAD will be the benefactor of the new international services. If I were UA I would focus on Latin America.

Too little, too late.



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User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9737 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Too little, too late.

Yeah. Pretty hard to believe that at one point, UA was the US' #2 airline to LatAm. Still, I think UA can make IAD or ORD to PTY and CCS work if the connectivity to Asia is good.


User currently offlineUniTED From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

my guesses:

IAD-DUS (more of a wish)
SFO-MUC
DEN-FRA
ORD-ICN (only 777)
LAX-ICN (only 777)
LAX-KIX (only 777)
IAD-NRT (upgrade to 744)
IAD-TXL (767)
IAD-IST
IAD-DXB
IAD-BGL



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User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9641 times:

How about UA going back and rehubbing MIA to bring back services to South and Latin Am? What are the prospects?


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User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9621 times:



Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 10):
How about UA going back and rehubbing MIA to bring back services to South and Latin Am? What are the prospects?

Zero prospect. UA got burned in MIA by AA in the 90s. I really don't see UA venturing further into Lat Am.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9594 times:



Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 8):
Yeah. Pretty hard to believe that at one point, UA was the US' #2 airline to LatAm. Still, I think UA can make IAD or ORD to PTY and CCS work if the connectivity to Asia is good.

Copa is having enough problems with IAD-PTY, no room for another.

And no way the Venezuelan government will approve any new USA-Venezuela flights at this time, just as they have not approved NK's FLL-CCS and AA's MIA-VLN applications for well over a year.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9524 times:



Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 4):
All of UA's 2-class B767s used to be B767-300ERs, they just downrated them to save $$$ and landing fees since they were flying to Hawaii to replace DC-10s.

All of UA's 763's are 763ER's, including the 2-class domestic ones. They are all ETOPS-certified. Really the only difference between the 2-cabin and 3-cabin birds is the domestic 2-cabin ones have PW4056 motors and the international 3-cabin ones have PW4060 motors. Still, they are all ER models.

Quoting UniTED (Reply 9):
AD-DUS (more of a wish)

UA used to fly this, it was UA982/981

Quoting UniTED (Reply 9):
DEN-FRA

UA also used to fly this, even post-9/11. However, it was a bit of a "nonrev shuttle", even during the summer, so UA dropped it. LH seems to be having far better luck with it.

While I'd love to see UA add routes, they have ZERO space to do it, unless they cut another route. The planes just aren't available, as their widebody fleet is stretched as thin as it goes, and now they're sending planes in for repainting and cabin reconfigurations. Also, this isn't a self-plug or anything, but there is a good deal of info in this thread:

Where Are All Of UA's 744's? (by Transpac787 Dec 4 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9433 times:

Well to add my suggestions:

IAD-DXB (777)
IAD-MAN (757 - connect to * hub)
IAD-LIS (757 - connect to * hub)
IAD-DUB (757)
IAD-TLV (777 - if DL can make it work from ATL, why can't UA run a capital-to-capital service)
IAD-DEL (777)

ORD-BCN (767)
ORD-ICN (777)

LAX-PVG (747 - would need bilateral changes, of course)
LAX-PEK (747 - would need bilateral changes, of course)
LAX-GRU (763 if it can make it, to replace the lost RG service and provide connections to NRT/HKG)

SFO-MNL (747 - quite a growing market, but might need an intermediate market given UA's current fleet)

NRT-KUL (establish a foothold in a new market for a US carrier)
NRT-JKT (establish a foothold in a new market for a US carrier)

With that said, I realize that UA's 777s/757s might not be able to make all of the routes above.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9393 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 13):
While I'd love to see UA add routes, they have ZERO space to do it, unless they cut another route. The planes just aren't available, as their widebody fleet is stretched as thin as it goes, and now they're sending planes in for repainting and cabin reconfigurations.


Didn't the initial post discuss the possibility of adding planes?

after all, B does have those unidentified 777's on the books.....

[Edited 2007-12-04 19:46:04]

User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9244 times:



Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 10):
How about UA going back and rehubbing MIA to bring back services to South and Latin Am? What are the prospects?

Although I would get recalled and thus love the idea, the chances are pretty much zilch. UA cannot compete with AA from MIA (or anywhere else) to LatAm.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Copa is having enough problems with IAD-PTY, no room for another.

And no way the Venezuelan government will approve any new USA-Venezuela flights at this time, just as they have not approved NK's FLL-CCS and AA's MIA-VLN applications for well over a year.

Didn't know CM wasn't cutting it at IAD although I'm not totally surprised.

Off-topic here but since you're the MIA and AA guru....can you tell me how AA's MIA-CCS do profit-wise? I know full planes means nothing, but I just paid $2000 (coach) for a trip last week and flights look completely full until at least mid-January. I would think that CCS is one of AA's more lucrative routes in LatAm, but just speculating.



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Didn't the initial post discuss the possibility of adding planes?

I just re-read the article and think that my initial post wasn't accurate. What Jack Brace said was that beyond the 15% expansion, UA may want to order a handful of international airplanes. I think that leaves it open to many interpretations.



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 13):
While I'd love to see UA add routes, they have ZERO space to do it, unless they cut another route. The planes just aren't available, as their widebody fleet is stretched as thin as it goes, and now they're sending planes in for repainting and cabin reconfigurations

But they did announce it today. Per Jack Brace, 15% international expansion in the next 3 years.


User currently offlineUAL4ever From Israel, joined Aug 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9161 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 14):
IAD-TLV (777 - if DL can make it work from ATL, why can't UA run a capital-to-capital service)

I would love that. I travel to Israel about 4 times every year and I hate connecting in FRA. PLus, I can only upgrade as far as FRA since it is LH metal on to TLV. I would love for UA to have service US-TLV. By the way, it would not be capital to capital as Tel Aviv is not the capital of Israel.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9085 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 14):
IAD-MAN (757 - connect to * hub)
IAD-LIS (757 - connect to * hub)
IAD-DUB (757)



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 14):
I realize that UA's 777s/757s might not be able to make all of the routes above.

There have been quite a few threads lately, not unlike this one, about the possibility of UA beginning TATL 757 service, as that seems to be the trend lately with CO, NW, and DL taking major steps in it.

However, it is highly unlikely that UA will ever start TATL 757 flying. Out of UA's 97x 757's, only 16x of them are ETOPS, of which UA uses on Hawaii routes. So, between HNL, OGG, KOA, and LIH, UA has no spare ETOPS 757 capacity to be used on TATL routes.

UA does have 13x Extended Overwater 757's though, which are typically used around the Caribbean. They carry overwater cabin equipment (liferafts/vests), but none of the additional ETOPS equipment such as the additional radios, HMG, 2x crossfeed valves, etc etc. The 13x EOW birds are cycled through domestic routes very frequently, and could be better used on routes to Central/South America, like the above mentioned IAD-PTY by the OP.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 14):
SFO-MNL

Unless UA shifts around the 744 scheduling, they really don't have any spare 744 capacity to speak of. Besides, IIRC, UA has tried MNL before and did not do well against NW.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 14):
NRT-KUL (establish a foothold in a new market for a US carrier)
NRT-JKT (establish a foothold in a new market for a US carrier)

NW used to fly both of those, and both are rumored to be brought back once the 787's arrive.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
after all, B does have those unidentified 777's on the books.....

Just think.....more 777's with PW power!!  cloudnine 

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 16):
15% international expansion in the next 3 years.

I really do hope this comes in the form of new planes, not just converting existing fleet to international ops!!


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9040 times:



Quoting UAL4ever (Reply 17):
By the way, it would not be capital to capital as Tel Aviv is not the capital of Israel.

Yes, but the US embassy is in Tel Aviv, and Jerusalem is only ~30 miles away.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 18):
There have been quite a few threads lately, not unlike this one, about the possibility of UA beginning TATL 757 service, as that seems to be the trend lately with CO, NW, and DL taking major steps in it.

However, it is highly unlikely that UA will ever start TATL 757 flying. Out of UA's 97x 757's, only 16x of them are ETOPS, of which UA uses on Hawaii routes. So, between HNL, OGG, KOA, and LIH, UA has no spare ETOPS 757 capacity to be used on TATL routes.

UA does have 13x Extended Overwater 757's though, which are typically used around the Caribbean. They carry overwater cabin equipment (liferafts/vests), but none of the additional ETOPS equipment such as the additional radios, HMG, 2x crossfeed valves, etc etc. The 13x EOW birds are cycled through domestic routes very frequently, and could be better used on routes to Central/South America, like the above mentioned IAD-PTY by the OP.

Yes, it's too bad that UA's planes aren't as well-powered as DL and CO's birds.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 18):
NW used to fly both of those, and both are rumored to be brought back once the 787's arrive.

Did NW ever fly to JKT? IIRC, it was supposed to be a tag-on to NW's SEA-KIX flight, but was never started due to some sort of a governmental issue. Then SEA-KIX was cancelled around the time of the Asian economic crisis.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 18):
Unless UA shifts around the 744 scheduling, they really don't have any spare 744 capacity to speak of. Besides, IIRC, UA has tried MNL before and did not do well against NW.

That's true. Keep in mind that my list above would obviously require additional capacity as UA is too short-handed right now. I do think that KUL/JKT could be added as a tag from an existing service, or potentially a new flight (like DEN-NRT, if that ever happened). I'm surprised UA doesn't offer a couple more connections through their NRT hub to longer-distance destinations - they'd have good feed from LAX, SFO, ORD, IAD,SEA, and HNL. I guess the NH relationship must be working well for them given the recent cut of NRT-HKG.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9013 times:



Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 16):

Didn't know CM wasn't cutting it at IAD although I'm not totally surprised.

Neither am I.

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 16):
Off-topic here but since you're the MIA and AA guru....can you tell me how AA's MIA-CCS do profit-wise? I know full planes means nothing, but I just paid $2000 (coach) for a trip last week and flights look completely full until at least mid-January. I would think that CCS is one of AA's more lucrative routes in LatAm, but just speculating.

Excellent, and it's been doing even better as of late because of the troubles of Aeropostal, the Venezuelan government not allowing new U.S. flights, and explosion of demand between South Florida and Caracas. San Juan does well too, but JFK and DFW are not stellar performers, hence their minimal frequencies.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9007 times:



Quoting Scorpy (Reply 2):
Carries like SQ will be shedding high quality used aircraft

"high quality" might be in the eye of the beholder.... another USA airline has twice looked at SQ's 772ERs, and twice utterly rejected the idea.

I've heard it said that taking the 9V-SR* series (and to a somewhat lesser extent, the 9V-SQ* series), would be akin to receiving a model-year 2006 Cadillac with 200,000mi already on the odometer.  Wow!

Quoting Scorpy (Reply 5):
maybe IAD-HKG?

UA doesn't currently have anything in their fleet that could operate this route without a massive payload hit; akin to their short-lived JFK-HKG nonstop attempt.


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8776 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 18):
I really do hope this comes in the form of new planes, not just converting existing fleet to international ops!!

Yes, I hope so too. If it means converting the existing fleet, I'm afraid a lot of the new international expansion may be short-haul Mexico, Central America, etc.


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

I reckon an IAD-MAN service could be launched....perhaps a daily B767. When bmi flew the route, they did really well on it didn't they? And they used the slightly larger A330....for the most part! Lol.

User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Does the flight ORD-DEN which has the same flight number as FRA-ORD still exist? I remember that when I took the FRA-ORD flight the flight crew welcomed us aboard the flight to Chicago with ongoing service to Denver.

So far UA added a second flight from FRA to SFO UA927 and one flight from FRA to LAX, UA904 with 777.


25 UAL777UK : Thats quite a large expansion and one which I welcome. I think its far to say that my home town airlport, LHR is unlikley to see any more expansion b
26 Post contains images UnitedTristar : NW has nothing to do with it. The margin's to MNL are horrible. Just look at the fare differences in business between MNL and HKG or NRT, you can buy
27 2travel2know : If UA would start IAD-PTY that would immediately kill CM @ IAD. The problem with CM @ IAD is that because of CM schedule, IAD is a O/D market, no con
28 Scorpy : the 777's sure, since they were used for regional asian routes. But since they are RR powered and derated at that, would UA really want them. I was t
29 HUYfan : MAN-IAD on the 75 would be perfect, along with IAD-DUB and IAD-GLA. Regards Mike
30 Post contains images Jlarsson : I would love to UA at ARN, but that is only a dream I think with the tight connections between ARN and FRA. But if they come I would be in heaven GO U
31 Africawings : My two cents: IAD-Lagos, Nairobi, Addis Ababa Commerce and tourisim destinations in Africa
32 EXAAUADL : I dont agree with that..throw in BOG as a possibility as well.....IAD has a much larger local market to these cities than does ATL, additionally peop
33 PVD757 : I also think that UA might make use of some 757s to places like MAN, DUB, and LIS. IAD is pretty well served by the TACA codeshare and existing UA ser
34 EXAAUADL : SOme of these would work, some are extremely extremely low yield...I also think LAX-GRU has to be a 777 due to crew issues..a bunk is required
35 2travel2know : UA can't rely solely on IAD-South America O/D for flights to BOG, LIM and SCL. IAD is a UA hub, but for those Southamerican destinations is a lousy hu
36 Mymiles2go : What would the rough cost be to reconvert those 763's that were 'downgraded', to something that could operate internationally again?
37 Post contains images 747fan : , but the 2-cabin 767's actually have PW4052's. I doubt those are very capable aircraft range-wise due to that. But you're right about the 3-cabin on
38 The777Man : I think UA may get some of their old 777s back; Varig got four but gave them back. They were supposed to go to Royal Brunei but it seems like they wil
39 UnitedNRT : All 14 B767-300MD were recently uprated and now have PW4056 rating.
40 787KQ : What would you suggest as a better schedule for the PTY-IAD and IAD-PTY flights for better connectivity? Clearly, the connectivity needed by COPA wou
41 Post contains images Transpac787 : It's not the power rating on the planes, it's the ETOPS capability that limits UA. At CO, 100% of their 757's are ETOPS capable. At NW, nearly all of
42 UnitedNRT : Wanting to sort out the situation for myself after wondering for a while, I headed to our SOC and checked for myself and all 97 B757-200 have PW2037.
43 2travel2know : For connections with CM @ IAD, PTY-IAD at noon, IAD-PTY at noon which mean CM will have to keep a B737-700 (doubt they'd fly PTY-IAD w/E190) in IAD f
44 LipeGIG : Concerning to Latin America, i expect they consolidate IAD-GIG as year-round and not seasonal. After that, i can't expect anything to Brazil as they n
45 Shane : SFO - MUC sounds good to me! How likely do you all think this is? I remember reading that it was applied for in the past and undesirable time slots we
46 Airbus767 : I'm still not over the fact that United dropped EZE-MVD... From what I understand, they dropped it because the few passengers continuing to MVD were t
47 Cubsrule : If you connect people over IAD, you avoid a whole lot of backtracking from the midwest to ORD. Heck, even LAX-IAD-EZE is only about 800 miles longer
48 Yellowtail : CM already struggling on this route They already camee to check out BZE and have said "not at this time"...prefer to codes share... However with thei
49 Zvezda : I expect ORD-DEL and SFO-BLR would still be near the top of UA's list.
50 LAXdude1023 : If they decide to go to India, I would be surprised if it wasnt from IAD. Yeah, it does well for AA, but only on account of cargo.
51 Zvezda : There is a huge Indian population in the Chicago area, ORD offers more and better connections, and ORD was the previous plan. Why IAD?
52 LAXdude1023 : IAD seems to be the "hub de jour" for UA. Plus I think because AA flies ORD-DEL, UA will go for a competition-free, higher yielding IAD.
53 AA1818 : IMHO UA should look at Latin American and Caribbean expansion. Growing economies, high yields, mix of VFR, tourism and business traffic. Personally I'
54 United319 : They should consider more latin american service from LAX and some out of SFO. It seems the closer you are to the border, the more connections you can
55 Stburke : I think ANA will be the first to do this with their upcoming 787's. I'd imagine them having a hard time filling this with the LH FRA and MUC flights.
56 AA767LOVER : Honestly people, if IAD really wants good international destinations, and be a world-class hub, they need serious remodeling, and better connections t
57 2travel2know : KIN is a different market for UA than MBJ, maybe UA could get some traffic from there, specially if there is a sizable Jamaican population in D.C. ar
58 Post contains images 747fan : Thanks for correcting me - this doesn't surprise me, as somebody mentioned that DEN-HNL was taking a payload hit. This could definitely make these bi
59 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : Just wondering since Washington is south of New York could/would 757 flights out of DC be more restricted by the extra distance. maybe would they have
60 FlyLKU : With the expected industry consolidation one additional factor to consider regarding new routes is how they overlap with potential suiters / targets.
61 Post contains images Halls120 : You're kidding, right? It has a short runway, can't handle anything larger than a 757, no customs facilities, and the existing domestic flights come
62 Eastern023 : I think there are still some of us who would like to dream of a return of UA to SCL. I do not seeing it happening anytine soon though. I know that air
63 Ualcsr : Are there any restrictions in expanding the NRT "hub" (or gateway---not sure what it is) for tags to other Asian cities? I remember a disucssion on ho
64 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I totally agreed with. In Latin America, UA has been rather stimulating their code-share agreements with both TA and JJ instead to deploy operations
65 Cubsrule : BD had one for a summer... it wasn't their bird, though. Figure about 3800 miles for the TATL range of a UA 752 ex-IAD.
66 IAD380 : Do you mean Bangalore (BLR)? If so, I think DEL will come first. EI recently started DUB-IAD flights on 332s. I don't think this route is strong enou
67 Cubsrule : LAX-GRU would probably require a 772; LAX-EZE would certainly require a 772. UA has other priorities with its 772s. IAD-BLR is too long for anything
68 MAH4546 : Not at all. A 763 can do it with little problem, as Varig's 763s have.
69 David_itl : UA could have started IAD-EDI years ago but opted, I'm sure for IAD-GLA. Used 767s on a daily service - lasted about 2 years? Doubt the situation has
70 LipeGIG : Shane, the business ties between California and Brazil is growing a lot during the past year. Cinema, Car Exports, Autoparts, BioFuels, Educational S
71 Cubsrule : It would help a lot of Brazil got Visa Waiver, as that would permit Brazilians to connect to Asia with much less hassle... I'm not sure how soon/like
72 Legacyins : Brazil was a visa waiver Country but it turned out that a lot of Brazilian Citizens who entered the US under the the VW program did not go home. The
73 2travel2know : It was Argentina who was a visa waiver country not Brazil. Even if Brazilians need U.S. visas, the number of illegal Brazilians coming to the U.S. vi
74 Cubsrule : There's been some discussion that the relaxation of requirements for VWP will make Brazil eligible... we shall see. (See 8 USCA 1187 for the recent r
75 TruemanQLD : Would they consider getting into the BNE-LAX service before V Australia???
76 Jamincan : No ones discussed Canadian routes, but I imagine that might be the easiest way for UA to boost international capacity. Currently they're a smaller pla
77 Legacyins : Brazil was on the Visa Waiver Pilot Program at one time. Quite familiar. I belive S. Korea, and Poland are under consideration.
78 Cubsrule : Poland's visa rejections and overstays are both far too high (per the U.S. ambassador in Warsaw).
79 Halls120 : UA already serves Halifax from Dulles, with one nonstop and several connecting flights.
80 AA767LOVER : I don't really see much value in the Canadian route other than IAD-YYZ, IAD-YOW, and IAD-YUL. How are the loads doing for YHZ? I can't really see IAD-
81 Jamincan : I recall that the O&D b/w Calgary and DC was surprisingly high (55000 or so?) and IAD is better as an onward connection point over the Atlantic. Kitc
82 LipeGIG : I have contact with several banks and money remittance service and all of them says the same: volumes for Brazil are lower than a year ago because of
83 SJOtoLIR : UA is utilizing its business relationship with Star Alliance for some routes on the segment USA-Europe, adding flights with their own frames. These s
84 Cubsrule : How is Brazil doing with biometric passports? On the one hand, I agree with you, but if there was so much untapped demand, you would think that NW wo
85 Jamincan : The demand is undoubtedly there, especially for high tech businesses (RIM, Google, IBM, Adobe, Oracle, Raytheon, Sybase, and McAfee are some of the b
86 EXAAUADL : THat routing si a bit out of the way isnt it? GRU-LAX is over 12 hours..forget 8
87 Transpac787 : Did you read my post before?? The UA pilot contract DOES NOT SPECIFY that bunks are required for crew rest on ANY FLIGHT even if it is over 12 hours.
88 Shane : If I could make a living down there, I'd join them in a heartbeat! Thanks Felipe. I agree read the same NYT article the other day, and I totally agre
89 OH-LGA : UA does not actually operate this route, they only codeshare on it and provide above- and below-wing ground handling services in JFK, as the flight i
90 C010T3 : Brazil has just introduced machine-readable passports. Don't even mention biometric ones! The Brazilian Mint and the Federal Police might implode if
91 SJOtoLIR : If JJ is planning to operate GRU-LAX in the future, they will probably code-share this route with UA. Keep in mind JJ is doing flights on behalf of U
92 Cubsrule : Why not US* to PHL?
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