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Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4187 posts, RR: 89
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10720 times:
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Airbus COO Mr John Leahy has spoken to reporters at an exhibition in Langkawi, Malaysia. He covered quite a bit about the current status of order expectations from Malaysian carriers.

On Malaysia Airlines:

Airbus expect to finalise 6 x A380s for MH within the next "30 to 60 days" this includes compensation for late delivery.

MH may not take delivery of their first A380 in 2009 as originally scheduled

MH is also in negotiations with Airbus to increase their existing A380 order.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7127773

A seperate, subscriber only service, reported the statement on further frames.

*AIRBUS IN TALKS WITH MALAYSIAN AIR ON EXTRA ORDER OF A380s [fair use Bloomberg]

On AirAsia X

Confirms that Airbus are in negotiations for 25 + 25 x A350s which as Mr Fernandes stated was the RFP issued by them.

Dec. 5 (Bloomberg) -- AirAsia X Sdn., partly owned by Richard Branson's Virgin Group Ltd. and AirAsia Bhd., is in talks with Airbus SAS to order 25 A350 planes, Airbus Chief Operating Officer John Leahy said today.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=adzOGPvLGPLs

Seems as though AirAsia X have the RFP set at 25 + 25 and not a full 50 "firm" to start with. No timeline is given on the expected date of the order and nor has the 787-10 been ruled out according to more in depth reports.

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6939 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10692 times:

It has certainly been rumoured here several times that the MH order for A380s would lapse. It's good to have it confirmed that these doom-mongers were wrong.

What form do we think "compensation for late delivery" might take?

And any thoughts as to the likely engine for MH's A380s?


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10652 times:



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
MH may not take delivery of their first A380 in 2009 as originally scheduled

Do you think that this has been negotiated with another airline - allowing the places in the queue to be shunted as they're scheduled to get MSN018 which I imagine is already being built?


User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1058 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10579 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 1):
It has certainly been rumoured here several times that the MH order for A380s would lapse. It's good to have it confirmed that these doom-mongers were wrong.

I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money. For LHR - KUL - SYD 6 to 8 planes will do, but how many seats will this route support....  crazy 



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10520 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Airbus COO Mr John Leahy has spoken to reporters at an exhibition in Langkawi, Malaysia. He covered quite a bit about the current status of order expectations from Malaysian carriers.

Very interesting reports. Will be good to see the final outcome. Also a rather nice surprise to see MH interested in increasing their A380 order.  Smile

Regards,
Wings

[Edited 2007-12-05 00:59:51]


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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10450 times:

Well, "30 to 60 days", that puts us in 2008 so let's take a look at what the order book of the A380 for 2008 may look like:

These are the upcoming orders, if one is to believe multiple well-informed sources:
-) additional A380s for AF according to its CFO
-) additional A380s for MH according to Bloomberg
-) A380s for AI according to several sources
-) A380s for TAM according to a Brasilian aviation source which has tipped us off about other orders in the past
-) A380 for NH
-) and then their still is LH which hasn't placed a follow up order for A380s yet, despite them explicitly saying -during the A380/LH route proving flights- they always do so if they commit to a plane. With production slots filling rapidly, 2008 might be a good year for them to do it, or they won't get the additional planes before the second half of next decade!

2008 hasn't started yet, yet it sure looks like Airbus will have no problems delivering on its promise to get 2 new customers and more than 20 orders per year. This year they got at least 3 and 30... next year even more?

[Edited 2007-12-05 01:10:59]

User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10371 times:



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Airbus expect to finalise 6 x A380s for MH within the next "30 to 60 days" this includes compensation for late delivery.

doesn't MAS already have 6 A380's on order! so if understand well, if that 6 more frames are firmed up, it's 12 A380's...great news.  bigthumbsup  and would expect Thai to do the same..one day.


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10324 times:

TG and MH will be looking South at their competition in SIN. The old products on a 744 will not compete with the 380. Maybe SQ might go for the MH production slots!!!!

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6939 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10278 times:



Quoting Worldrider (Reply 6):
doesn't MAS already have 6 A380's on order! so if understand well, if that 6 more frames are firmed up, it's 12

I'm pretty sure this is a much-delayed reconfirmation of the original order. So it's still 6.


User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1071 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10266 times:



Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money. For LHR - KUL - SYD 6 to 8 planes will do, but how many seats will this route support....   


I'm sure MEL could support it as well, I could seem them ultimately going for 3 flights daily sometime.



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10255 times:

Thanks for the news PanAm_DC10.
The forum has been a little quiet lately.

I expect the A380, especially when the -900 is launched, to be very successful.
I think we'll see much more than 20 orders a year. In fact I think the delivery and orders per year will be very much in balance.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4165 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10239 times:

In the meantime AirAsia and Airbus hves confirmed AK´s latest A320 order for 25+25 for a total of 175+50 A320s.


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User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10239 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 8):
I'm pretty sure this is a much-delayed reconfirmation of the original order. So it's still 6.

i should have read the article first..oops


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10179 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
Very interesting reports. Will be good to see the final outcome. Also a rather nice surprise to see MH interested in increasing their A380 order.

Would not be a surprise if MH increase to 8 firm orders, with discount for the 2 additional frames.
Seems to be Airbus usual way to compensate the A380 customers.



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10143 times:

No words about MH future orders ? 787 ? A350 ? 77W ? 737/A320 ?

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9744 times:

Will MH be retiring their 747s?

User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9690 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 1):
And any thoughts as to the likely engine for MH's A380s

Gee! That is hard to call since MH is predominantly a PW operator.

744 PW
772 RR
333 PW
332 PW
734 CFM
Fokker 50 PW
DHC-6 PW

RR may get the nod given that the seventeen 772s are powered by RR 892 engines



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6939 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9551 times:



Quoting Swallow (Reply 16):

RR may get the nod given that the seventeen 772s are powered by RR 892 engines

That MH chose RR for their 777s over PW and that the T900 is the engine of choice on the A380 leads me to agree with you.  bigthumbsup 


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9417 times:
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Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money.

That could be why they are looking at a deferment.

It is looking like every airline that ordered an A380 is going to take them - likely with a few extra copies. Between their own unrecoverable investments in the plane, facilities and support infrastructure and whatever inducements Airbus is offering to both keep and expand their order, all of the customers likely have come to the conclusion it is cheaper to take them then reject them.

If they cannot use them now, then they'll defer them for as long as they can and hope they will work out. If they don't, then you fly them at below capacity, lower fares to fill them, try and sell or lease them to someone else, or just park them - just as they have done for other planes during the "slack times" over the decades.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9362 times:



Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money. For LHR - KUL - SYD 6 to 8 planes will do, but how many seats will this route support....

LHR could use A380s. And they have only ordered 6 remember.


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4342 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9091 times:



Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes

KLM works closely with MH, I flew MH last month from AMS to New Zealand and back and I couldn't believe how many Dutch use MH for onward codeshare flights to SE Asia, Australia and New Zealand, popular destinations KLM (no longer) flies with own metal. Their 744s to AMS were packed in and outbound. I am sure they can fill a A-380 to Amsterdam.
Weird that MH is not a member of SkyTeam yet, they'd fit in nicely. Air France don't seem to like them while they also don't fly much to the Australasia region if at all.



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User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8944 times:

today Air Asia has firmed up 25 A320, previously announced, they now have 175 of them on order

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13265 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8851 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 1):
It has certainly been rumoured here several times that the MH order for A380s would lapse. It's good to have it confirmed that these doom-mongers were wrong.

 checkmark  This could be an important 'vote of confidence' for the A380.  spin 

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
additional A380s for AF according to its CFO

 wideeyed  Really? I missed this snippet. Does anyone have photos of the terminal 2E/2F satellites that are being built to accommodate A380's?

Quoting Swallow (Reply 16):
Gee! That is hard to call since MH is predominantly a PW operator.

One can hope!  hyper 

Quoting PM (Reply 17):

That MH chose RR for their 777s over PW and that the T900 is the engine of choice on the A380 leads me to agree with you.

Fingers in ears... naaa naaa naaa. I can't hear you!  Wink

Personally, the engine orders that start coming in after BOTH engines have been in service for a year will tell a big tale. Not to mention... I still believe most of the A380 deliveries will be A380-900's.  Wink

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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8778 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
additional A380s for AF according to its CFO



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 22):
Really? I missed this snippet.

I am surprised so few people picked it up the first time I pointed it out too:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...51&s=Air+France+A380+CNN#ID3716951

Sadly the link on CNN itself is no longer active.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7835 times:



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
MH may not take delivery of their first A380 in 2009 as originally scheduled



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
Do you think that this has been negotiated with another airline - allowing the places in the queue to be shunted as they're scheduled to get MSN018 which I imagine is already being built?

That's true, I have already seen a photo of MSN 018 taken in TLS (and had even put a link of it on a previous post but I don't find it anymore). So, what the heck are they doing with it?


25 Quetzal : Care to elaborate on this statement? Not being antagonistic, just trying to work out what you actually mean. In what way does AF not like MH... and d
26 Asiaflyer : AF has made the choice to codeshare to Australia with QF via SIN, while KL is codesharing to Australia with MH via KUL. So despite that AF/KLM is the
27 EddieDude : Well, if I am not mistaken, MH was going to drop most of its European destinations with the exception of LHR and the SkyTeam hubs of AMS, CDG and FCO
28 Ryanair!!! : For now they might not needed it as their BTP calls for a lot of rationalisation, which is presently happening for now. The fact that they have reduc
29 QFYMML : And also through HKG if I'm not mistaken.
30 QantasHeavy : MH has good inflight products and service. If they would be an active major alliance member I think they could fill the 380s. Otherwise it may be a st
31 9MMAR : Thank you PamAm_DC10 for this wonderful thread on our little LIMA air show in Langkawi. MH announced its financial result for 3Q2007 recently and acco
32 Post contains images PM : Would it help if I shout? MALAYSIAN WILL CHOOSE ROLLS-ROYCE FOR THEIR A380s!
33 Post contains images Swallow : More power to the Trent
34 MAS777 : Amsterdam certainly would support the A380 better than London or LA. I tried to book an AMS-KUL return in F but had to fly LHR-KUL as flights out of
35 Econojetter : I have not heard of any specific animosity between AF and MH. AF has historically considered SIN to be the gateway to Malaysia. SIN appears to be a s
36 QantasHeavy : Yep, SkyTeam would certainly seem to be the right fit for MH. I wish they would join. Frequent flyer programs motivate a lot of buying decisions for t
37 Ryanair!!! : What threat was MAS going to pose? I think you were referring to the "thread"... Hmm... I would have taken down his name and lodged a formal complain
38 Post contains images CHANGYOU : "thread"... yes of course I meant Thread... . Anyway was speaking to an MH captain and he mentioned MH wanted PNB to convert the 380s to 320s for thei
39 Ryanair!!! : For now, Korean Air plus that gap pretty well. What Skyteam lags is the SE Asian - Australia coverage. I wonder what are the parameters with regards
40 CHANGYOU : [ I think THAI covers Australia too for Star Alliance. Just that its not as big as SQ.
41 Post contains images Ronerone : This is definitely good news and perhaps a 'milstone' for MH that indicates they have progressed with their turnaround as they planned! ... Cannot wai
42 QantasHeavy : NZ has good coverage of Australia as well; just not from Asia. Yes, Thai serves PER/MEL/SYD/BNE. Nice new equipment/products to MEL/SYD and regional
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