PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9474 times:
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Airbus COO Mr John Leahy has spoken to reporters at an exhibition in Langkawi, Malaysia. He covered quite a bit about the current status of order expectations from Malaysian carriers.
On Malaysia Airlines:
Airbus expect to finalise 6 x A380s for MH within the next "30 to 60 days" this includes compensation for late delivery.
MH may not take delivery of their first A380 in 2009 as originally scheduled
MH is also in negotiations with Airbus to increase their existing A380 order.
A seperate, subscriber only service, reported the statement on further frames.
*AIRBUS IN TALKS WITH MALAYSIAN AIR ON EXTRA ORDER OF A380s [fair use Bloomberg]
On AirAsia X
Confirms that Airbus are in negotiations for 25 + 25 x A350s which as Mr Fernandes stated was the RFP issued by them.
Dec. 5 (Bloomberg) -- AirAsia X Sdn., partly owned by Richard Branson's Virgin Group Ltd. and AirAsia Bhd., is in talks with Airbus SAS to order 25 A350 planes, Airbus Chief Operating Officer John Leahy said today.
Seems as though AirAsia X have the RFP set at 25 + 25 and not a full 50 "firm" to start with. No timeline is given on the expected date of the order and nor has the 787-10 been ruled out according to more in depth reports.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 66 Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9446 times:
It has certainly been rumoured here several times that the MH order for A380s would lapse. It's good to have it confirmed that these doom-mongers were wrong.
What form do we think "compensation for late delivery" might take?
And any thoughts as to the likely engine for MH's A380s?
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3254 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9406 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter): MH may not take delivery of their first A380 in 2009 as originally scheduled
Do you think that this has been negotiated with another airline - allowing the places in the queue to be shunted as they're scheduled to get MSN018 which I imagine is already being built?
Macc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 969 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9333 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 1): It has certainly been rumoured here several times that the MH order for A380s would lapse. It's good to have it confirmed that these doom-mongers were wrong.
I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money. For LHR - KUL - SYD 6 to 8 planes will do, but how many seats will this route support....
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WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9274 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter): Airbus COO Mr John Leahy has spoken to reporters at an exhibition in Langkawi, Malaysia. He covered quite a bit about the current status of order expectations from Malaysian carriers.
Very interesting reports. Will be good to see the final outcome. Also a rather nice surprise to see MH interested in increasing their A380 order.
Slz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9204 times:
Well, "30 to 60 days", that puts us in 2008 so let's take a look at what the order book of the A380 for 2008 may look like:
These are the upcoming orders, if one is to believe multiple well-informed sources:
-) additional A380s for AF according to its CFO
-) additional A380s for MH according to Bloomberg
-) A380s for AI according to several sources
-) A380s for TAM according to a Brasilian aviation source which has tipped us off about other orders in the past
-) A380 for NH
-) and then their still is LH which hasn't placed a follow up order for A380s yet, despite them explicitly saying -during the A380/LH route proving flights- they always do so if they commit to a plane. With production slots filling rapidly, 2008 might be a good year for them to do it, or they won't get the additional planes before the second half of next decade!
2008 hasn't started yet, yet it sure looks like Airbus will have no problems delivering on its promise to get 2 new customers and more than 20 orders per year. This year they got at least 3 and 30... next year even more?
Worldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9125 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter): Airbus expect to finalise 6 x A380s for MH within the next "30 to 60 days" this includes compensation for late delivery.
doesn't MAS already have 6 A380's on order! so if understand well, if that 6 more frames are firmed up, it's 12 A380's...great news. and would expect Thai to do the same..one day.
Col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2039 posts, RR: 22 Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9078 times:
TG and MH will be looking South at their competition in SIN. The old products on a 744 will not compete with the 380. Maybe SQ might go for the MH production slots!!!!
Chrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1006 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9020 times:
Quoting Macc (Reply 3): I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money. For LHR - KUL - SYD 6 to 8 planes will do, but how many seats will this route support....  ÂÂ
I'm sure MEL could support it as well, I could seem them ultimately going for 3 flights daily sometime.
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Chiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 907 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9009 times:
Thanks for the news PanAm_DC10.
The forum has been a little quiet lately.
I expect the A380, especially when the -900 is launched, to be very successful.
I think we'll see much more than 20 orders a year. In fact I think the delivery and orders per year will be very much in balance.
Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8933 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 4): Very interesting reports. Will be good to see the final outcome. Also a rather nice surprise to see MH interested in increasing their A380 order.
Would not be a surprise if MH increase to 8 firm orders, with discount for the 2 additional frames.
Seems to be Airbus usual way to compensate the A380 customers.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26676 posts, RR: 83 Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8171 times:
Quoting Macc (Reply 3): I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money.
That could be why they are looking at a deferment.
It is looking like every airline that ordered an A380 is going to take them - likely with a few extra copies. Between their own unrecoverable investments in the plane, facilities and support infrastructure and whatever inducements Airbus is offering to both keep and expand their order, all of the customers likely have come to the conclusion it is cheaper to take them then reject them.
If they cannot use them now, then they'll defer them for as long as they can and hope they will work out. If they don't, then you fly them at below capacity, lower fares to fill them, try and sell or lease them to someone else, or just park them - just as they have done for other planes during the "slack times" over the decades.
RJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8116 times:
Quoting Macc (Reply 3): I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money. For LHR - KUL - SYD 6 to 8 planes will do, but how many seats will this route support....
LHR could use A380s. And they have only ordered 6 remember.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 37 Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7845 times:
Quoting Macc (Reply 3): but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes
KLM works closely with MH, I flew MH last month from AMS to New Zealand and back and I couldn't believe how many Dutch use MH for onward codeshare flights to SE Asia, Australia and New Zealand, popular destinations KLM (no longer) flies with own metal. Their 744s to AMS were packed in and outbound. I am sure they can fill a A-380 to Amsterdam.
Weird that MH is not a member of SkyTeam yet, they'd fit in nicely. Air France don't seem to like them while they also don't fly much to the Australasia region if at all.
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Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10646 posts, RR: 100 Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7605 times:
PanAm_DC10, Thanks for the info!
Quoting PM (Reply 1): It has certainly been rumoured here several times that the MH order for A380s would lapse. It's good to have it confirmed that these doom-mongers were wrong.
This could be an important 'vote of confidence' for the A380.
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5): additional A380s for AF according to its CFO
Really? I missed this snippet. Does anyone have photos of the terminal 2E/2F satellites that are being built to accommodate A380's?
Quoting Swallow (Reply 16): Gee! That is hard to call since MH is predominantly a PW operator.
One can hope!
Quoting PM (Reply 17):
That MH chose RR for their 777s over PW and that the T900 is the engine of choice on the A380 leads me to agree with you.
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Personally, the engine orders that start coming in after BOTH engines have been in service for a year will tell a big tale. Not to mention... I still believe most of the A380 deliveries will be A380-900's.
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2313 posts, RR: 25 Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6589 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter): MH may not take delivery of their first A380 in 2009 as originally scheduled
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2): Do you think that this has been negotiated with another airline - allowing the places in the queue to be shunted as they're scheduled to get MSN018 which I imagine is already being built?
That's true, I have already seen a photo of MSN 018 taken in TLS (and had even put a link of it on a previous post but I don't find it anymore). So, what the heck are they doing with it?
25 Quetzal: Care to elaborate on this statement? Not being antagonistic, just trying to work out what you actually mean. In what way does AF not like MH... and d
26 Asiaflyer: AF has made the choice to codeshare to Australia with QF via SIN, while KL is codesharing to Australia with MH via KUL. So despite that AF/KLM is the
27 EddieDude: Well, if I am not mistaken, MH was going to drop most of its European destinations with the exception of LHR and the SkyTeam hubs of AMS, CDG and FCO
28 Ryanair!!!: For now they might not needed it as their BTP calls for a lot of rationalisation, which is presently happening for now. The fact that they have reduc
29 QFYMML: And also through HKG if I'm not mistaken.
30 QantasHeavy: MH has good inflight products and service. If they would be an active major alliance member I think they could fill the 380s. Otherwise it may be a st
31 9MMAR: Thank you PamAm_DC10 for this wonderful thread on our little LIMA air show in Langkawi. MH announced its financial result for 3Q2007 recently and acco
32 PM: Would it help if I shout? MALAYSIAN WILL CHOOSE ROLLS-ROYCE FOR THEIR A380s!
34 MAS777: Amsterdam certainly would support the A380 better than London or LA. I tried to book an AMS-KUL return in F but had to fly LHR-KUL as flights out of
35 Econojetter: I have not heard of any specific animosity between AF and MH. AF has historically considered SIN to be the gateway to Malaysia. SIN appears to be a s
36 QantasHeavy: Yep, SkyTeam would certainly seem to be the right fit for MH. I wish they would join. Frequent flyer programs motivate a lot of buying decisions for t
37 Ryanair!!!: What threat was MAS going to pose? I think you were referring to the "thread"... Hmm... I would have taken down his name and lodged a formal complain
38 CHANGYOU: "thread"... yes of course I meant Thread... . Anyway was speaking to an MH captain and he mentioned MH wanted PNB to convert the 380s to 320s for thei
39 Ryanair!!!: For now, Korean Air plus that gap pretty well. What Skyteam lags is the SE Asian - Australia coverage. I wonder what are the parameters with regards
40 CHANGYOU: [ I think THAI covers Australia too for Star Alliance. Just that its not as big as SQ.
41 Ronerone: This is definitely good news and perhaps a 'milstone' for MH that indicates they have progressed with their turnaround as they planned! ... Cannot wai
42 QantasHeavy: NZ has good coverage of Australia as well; just not from Asia. Yes, Thai serves PER/MEL/SYD/BNE. Nice new equipment/products to MEL/SYD and regional
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and would expect Thai to do the same..one day.
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This could be an important 'vote of confidence' for the A380. 
Really? I missed this snippet. Does anyone have photos of the terminal 2E/2F satellites that are being built to accommodate A380's? 
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