BrisseDK From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 810 times:
BGO has become the new battleground between SK and rivals NB and KL. By early next year SK will increase capacity with 30% to CPH, NB will commence 4 daily flights (ex weekends) to CPH and KL will increase to 4 daily flights to AMS.
That is massive competition, and will be quite interesting to see how the 3 carriers will perform.
SK, NB and DY has co-existed on CPH-OSL for a few years now, and based on personal experience SK is by far the most expensive choice, but strangely also the one with the highest load-factor. Many times I've seen the plane being almost exclusively business and eco extra, so don't think SK is suffering so much from the competition. No data to back it up though...
DYflyer From Norway, joined May 2006, 632 posts, RR: 18 Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 683 times:
There is not really just one battleground between SK and KL. KL is also increasing on KRS and putting in larger planes to OSL and SVG. There is a reason why we sometimes jokingly refer to AMS as Norway's largest airport.
NB starting up CPH-BGO was a bit of a surprise (i have a feeling it was for DY too). It will be interesting to follow the development on this route. As far as CPH-OSL goes, DY and NB hasn´t just co-existed but code-shared. This ended earlier this year, and we are going to see some hard competition on this route. High load on SK on this route isn´t surprising. A lot of transfer-PAX.
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BrisseDK From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 642 times:
Quoting DYflyer (Reply 1): There is not really just one battleground between SK and KL.
Agreed, KL is very active in Norway and is increasing commitment to the danish market as well. Funny how they don't seem to have the same focus in Sweden.
Quoting DYflyer (Reply 1): DY and NB hasn´t just co-existed but code-shared
That codeshare always bothered me! In the beginning it worked great. In CPH you could check-in @ NB even for DY flights and vice versa in OSL. But during the past year or so they stopped doing this. Result: You could book on sterling.dk, NB flight number, go to the airport, stand in line for NB check-in only to be told that you should go to DY for Check-in. Really a hassle when you fly a lot and don't pay too much attention to your flight info and knowing which flight numbers designate code-shares. Well, that should teach me to pay attention I guess...
Someone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 1382 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 614 times:
SK will still have most of the transfer pax on BGO-CPH just as they have it on OSL-CPH which means they have batter loads and can charge higher prices.
Another benefit for SK og OSL-CPH and why many business travelers choose SK (I definitely would if an employer or someone else paid for my tickets) is frequency. SAS has 13 or 14 daily flight compared to 4 for Nb and 4 or 5 for DY. This means that it is easier for someone traveling with SK change to a earlier or later flight should it be needed and you generally have more flexibility. Remember time equals money
I had completely forgotten about that. Will be interesting to see how it performs.
I really think there is a lot of potential in the Scandinavian regions, which is poorly exploited by SK. Currently only the largest cities has a non-stop link to the major SK hub in CPH, thus providing them with mostly 2- og or even 3-stop European and Intercontinental connections. It's a shame!
Kevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1062 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 496 times:
Quoting DYflyer (Reply 1): NB starting up CPH-BGO was a bit of a surprise (i have a feeling it was for DY too).
Agree... I'd imagine it might very well had been in the pipeline at DY, too... SK's BGO are yields must be impressive currently, where I work we purchase a lot of seats from CPH to Vestlandet (BGO/SVG area), and compared to what we might pay to get to London, Amsterdam or Oslo, Vestlandet is horribly expensive. I think DY might be regretting they didn't come first... maybe they were waiting for spring to come before announcing a start in summertime or whatever..
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 4): SK will still have most of the transfer pax on BGO-CPH just as they have it on OSL-CPH which means they have batter loads and can charge higher prices.
SK can to a wide extend - as pointed out below - charge premiums because they can offer much higher frequencies, mostly important to the less price-sensitive pax. However, on its own carrying of transfer pax doesn't mean that you can charge higher prices on the nonstop-leg - you can and will maybe do so, however, if the transfer pax take up too many discounted seats.
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 4): Another benefit for SK og OSL-CPH and why many business travelers choose SK (I definitely would if an employer or someone else paid for my tickets) is frequency. SAS has 13 or 14 daily flight compared to 4 for Nb and 4 or 5 for DY.
Think that shows a hint of what is gonna happen on BGO-CPH... SK will take everything from the highest-yielding biz-pax to the lowest-yielding leisure pax, while NB - because of poorer frequencies - mostly will be left with the latter.
But good luck NB, still..!
Btw, what are your thoughts on NB's connecting possibilities at CPH with the new BGO service? After all, NB does have a decent network around Europe, and they do offer connections, so..,. you think connecting traffic was a major part of NB's decision?
Regards,
Kevin777
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DYflyer From Norway, joined May 2006, 632 posts, RR: 18 Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 464 times:
Quoting BrisseDK (Reply 2): But during the past year or so they stopped doing this. Result: You could book on sterling.dk, NB flight number, go to the airport, stand in line for NB check-in only to be told that you should go to DY for Check-in.
I think this was due to DY changing handling-agent. Earlier both used Serviceair, but last year DY changed to Northport. DY´s and NB´s cooperation created a lot of problems. Take for example different baggage-rules. You could fly out with DY and be ok, but on the way back (on NB) you could risk having to pay for overweight luggage.
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 6): I'd imagine it might very well had been in the pipeline at DY, too...
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 6): I think DY might be regretting they didn't come first... maybe they were waiting for spring to come before announcing a start in summertime or whatever..
I think a reason why they waited, was plane capacity. Being competitive on this route will require frequency, and DY´s planes already have a very high utilisation. But i agree, i think they might regret it. Wouldn´t be surprised if we see SVG-CPH and/or TRD-CPH from them soon.
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BBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 402 times:
A bit OT, but how is SAS doing on the CPH-DXB-CPH runs? I hope they do real well and be back next winter, possibly with a year-round service. The A340-300s in SAS colours look fantastic here in DXB, as they do at every other airport.
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