747Dreamlifter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1889 times:
Hey Gang,
Anyone planning a trip soon to Indonesia?? Be advised that the FAA and UAE has safety concerns with Indonesian carriers and rate them poorly. Just posted in the news that a large piece was found on the runway in Jakarta. Similar situation occurred a month ago.
Ryanair!!! From Singapore, joined Mar 2002, 4652 posts, RR: 27 Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1683 times:
We have all come to accept the fact that "THIS IS INDONESIA". It will take time this gigantic country to overhaul itself into a mentality that is acceptable or tolerated by the western civilisation. Meanwhile, fingers and toes are crossed when I have to fly domestically and if I can afford it, venture no further than Garuda. Otherwise, sit tight, strap in and get ready for the ride as we creak along the crowded skies in a groaning Merpati CN 235, or a slippery Adam 737, or a want-all-do-all Lion MD80.
All I can say is that things will only get better after that spate of bad publicity, it always does. Thus I am hopeful...
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EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1675 times:
Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 7): many small airlines might just not have enough money to maintain the airplane properly... It´s a difficult situation.
Very. We're talking a completely different culture here, and a current system that is more likely to be influenced by personal interests or that nasty C word. (No, not that one, I mean corruption). It's a natural human tendency and one from which the West is certainly not immune, although it's essentially vanished from the commercial aviation sphere, thankfully.
I'm poorly informed when we discuss specific Indonesian commercial airline matters, perhaps Mandala___ can elaborate on recent woes involving the likes of Adam Air etc..
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Malaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3183 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1515 times:
I may go to Indonesia next week to CGK. I have no worries any plane is any plane even if the Boeings are treated as if they were Soviet jets in Indonesia
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GFFgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1480 times:
Latest in the Jakarta Post is that it may not be from the Lion Air plane as previously reported. There are three suspects flying MD90's out on that day. Batavia, Lion and Mandala. Incredibly, none of these operators is reporting the loss of what is a fairly large lump of engine cover.
I love Indonesia. I lived there for three years and hope to move back next year. However this particular pantomime illustrates some elements of Indonesian business culture that I wish didn't haunt the aviation industry.
Apparently all three of the 'suspect' airlines have been summoned to a ritual hauling over the coals at the transport ministry today.
Scrumpy492003 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 170 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1445 times:
One thing here with foreign low cost carriers, is the attraction that they hold - qualification wise, for young right seat pilots just graduated, looking to build time on reasonably "modern" jet aircraft.
The risk is greater with somewhat unqualified staff, and shoddy equipment, offest by the chance to build right seat jet time.
Can you blame the "kids" for going?
Would you recommend it?
GFFgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1375 times:
In Indonesia pay for pilots is very poor by international standards. There are even Indonesian pilots working in countries like Bangladesh because the pay is better and the rosters are more relaxed. Having said that, the cost of living is very low and some of the domestic destinations are very nice places for R&R.
I'm not sure what the latest is on foreign pilots in Indonesia - Mandala is the guy to enlighten us.
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