Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25 Posted (6 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8365 times:
It seems EK are dropping their daily HAM-JFK flights as of next year but do keep the daily HAM-Dubai flight.
Bookings for New York from HAM are not possible any longer as of Aril 2008.
It is also speculated in German aviation forums that EK might drop their 5th freedom rights ex German for two more departure-airports-STR and TXL.
EmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7729 times:
I guess EK have enough O/D and transit pax from JFK to eliminate the HAM-JFK flight. Sometime ago they was saying that they need more capacity on the JFK-DXB run so I expect a thrid dail non stop to be loaded shortly.
Also if EK are going to gain STR & TXL in place of HAM-JFK it makes perfect business sence. They keep the three daily JFK-DXB and add two further destinations. Sound like a good deal to me...
Bps3458 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 531 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7475 times:
Guess HAM always had problems sustaining direct flights in to the US. As a kid I still remember NW (at that time still Northwest Orient) and PA offering direct flights in to/out of the States but they were all eventually dropped. Even though my family travelled frequently from HAM to the States in the 70's/80's we never made it on one of these direct flights from/to HAM. We did come close once but while sitting on the PA A310 at JFK and slowly moving towards the runway (must of been 60 planes ahead of us) captain advised we needed to return to the gate due to a hydraulic problem. We were flying business and we immediately got re-booked on flight via LHR.
Out of curiosity how is the CO non-stop EWR-HAM-EWR doing ? Low load factors as well ?
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 48 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6775 times:
Quoting Bps3458 (Reply 20): Guess HAM always had problems sustaining direct flights in to the US.
You can say that again. DL tried it twice from ATL with the 763 and failed. They also tried it from JFK with the 763 as well, after PA managed to get along well with their A310s. AA failed with their ORD (?) flights as well. CO did pretty good before EK entered the market, not sure how things developed after that. That said, the 757 CO is using capacity-wise the best solution this market warrants, and really nothing more, as said as that is.
Uzimmermann From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5895 times:
I remember coming to the US via DL in 1995 from HAM, but it went to CPH first, then ATL. From there I connected to SFO. Too bad EK is dropping JFK-HAM, I had thought about flying domestic to JFK from OAK or SFO and then directly to Hamburg, after my wifed tried once CO via EWR and wasn't happy at all about CO.
BNinMSY From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5851 times:
Should have known something was 'up' today when we received this press release from EK. A very nice jesture and opportunity to experience their product/service.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
EMIRATES OFFERS EXCLUSIVE $25 FARE FROM JFK TO HAMBURG
FOR ALL U.S. TRAVEL AGENTS
Includes Special Companion Fare to One of Northern Europe's
Most Exciting Cosmopolitan Cities
NEW YORK, (December 6, 2007) - Emirates Airline, the global carrier that has
won over 300 awards for outstanding customer service, has announced a
special offer for travel agents to visit Hamburg, Germany from New York.
Emirates will fly agents between New York and Hamburg in Economy Class for
$25 roundtrip and their companion/spouse for $290 roundtrip. Agents and
their companions taking advantage of the promotional airfare are responsible
for taxes and government fees of $71.90 for each traveler. The offer is good
for travel now through December 13, 2007 and from January 15 to March 28,
2008, by which date all travel must be completed. Upgrades are not available
and booking must be done within 14 days of departure. All travel agents who
are on the staff of an IATAN-listed travel agency are eligible.
In addition to the special airfare offer, Emirates also has arranged for
special agent rates at several Hamburg hotels, including the Hotel Atlantic
Kempinski, Elysee Hotel Hamburg, Le Royal Meridien Hamburg, Fairmont Hotel
Vier Jahreszeiten, Mövenpick Hamburg Wasserturm and Park Hyatt Hamburg.
Emirates' New York-Hamburg Flight EK 206 departs New York/JFK at 11:15 p.m.,
arriving in Hamburg at 1:05 p.m. the following day. The return flight,
EK205, departs Hamburg at 2:40 p.m., landing at 5:30 p.m. at JFK local time.
Hamburg, the city that launched the Beatles, has become one of Northern
Europe's most exciting and cosmopolitan urban centers. The city boasts a
vibrant international dining scene, cultural treasures, nonstop
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To take advantage of Emirates' JFK HAM Daily offer contact your local
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PHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 476 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5653 times:
Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 18): I'd be curious to know how CO is doing on EWR-HAM. Anyone have any info on that?
When EK entered that market, I was afraid that Continental might pull out because the added capacity would destroy yields. I am glad that CO decided to stick out.
I can't tell for sure how CO is doing on that route, but I did take advantage of their CGN service three times since 2006. Loads average 80+%, and since CO appears to be "pooling" the fare buckets of their CGN and FRA flights, I assume the yields are fine, too. I'd say that HAM is in all likelihood comparable to CGN.
What I noted an all my flights to CGN was that the overwhelming majority of passengers originated in the US. My guess is that EK probably has a hard time tapping that particular market segment. For one, they don't have any connecting traffic to speak of at JFK. Secondly, I would never give them my business, and a lot, if not most of my fellow citizens probably feel the same way.
Pellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2174 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6145 times:
I wish EK would standardize their product offering a bit...
JFK-DXB-JFK they offer:
EK204/203 B777-300ER "ULR" (12 F seats, but they're 2-2-2 across and not private)
EK206/205 A340-500 (stopover HAM) (12 F suites)
EK202/201 B777-300ER (8 F suites, I think...there seem to be few pictures of the newest iteration)
Across the EK fleet their F product is all over the place. I find it extremely odd that they even took delivery of their first 77W's with a 2-2-2 across F product.
Quoting BNinMSY (Reply 24):
EMIRATES OFFERS EXCLUSIVE $25 FARE FROM JFK TO HAMBURG
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2807 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6095 times:
ARGH! I was looking at visiting Germany for the first time this Summer...and my family lives in Hamburg. It was going to be so nice to be able to fly JFK - HAM instead of going to MUC or FRA and transfer. I knew I should have gone earlier!
"If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it"
No, you got that right. I generally do not support businesses and/or countries (in the case of Emirates the airline, it's the same, since it's controlled by the ruler's family), whose existence is founded on gross human rights violations. The emirs have certainly a good PR machine going, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no right to free speech or free assembly, no free press, no labor organization. Wy would I or any other freedom-loving human being wanna support that?
Pbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 604 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5447 times:
Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 31): No, you got that right. I generally do not support businesses and/or countries (in the case of Emirates the airline, it's the same, since it's controlled by the ruler's family), whose existence is founded on gross human rights violations. The emirs have certainly a good PR machine going, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no right to free speech or free assembly, no free press, no labor organization. Wy would I or any other freedom-loving human being wanna support that?
Wow! Just wow! Please do some research on the UAE before you ever post such a bunch of ridiculous BS again. I am embarassed that you have an American flag by your name. You sound like a typical liberal, moron tree-hugger who never has the facts straight, and usually isn't even close.
PHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 476 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5295 times:
I did my research. The latest Human Rights Watch Report, various pieces on National Public Radio and the BBC. Where do you get yours from? And I take 'liberal' and 'tree-hugger' as compliments. And that concludes this discussion on my part. The last thing I intend to do is to provide an audience for hicks like you.
You shouldn't. National Public Radio? Liberal propaganda bullshit. And please post a link to the Human Rights Watch List you have alluded to. I would love to see it. Or are you concluding the conversation because you know you are wrong? Don't you have some MSNBC to go watch? You can be brainwashed some more.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5156 posts, RR: 25 Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5189 times:
Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 32): Wow! Just wow! Please do some research on the UAE before you ever post such a bunch of ridiculous BS again.
No, you need to do some research on the UAE. The country is in no way, shape, or form a democracy nor are basic freedoms guaranteed by law. When Abu Dhabi's ruler died, his son succeeded him, when Dubai's ruler dies, his brother succeeded him. Human trafficking is rampant, migrant workers are often treated like garbage and discriminated against in the workspace, as well as being forced into situations of involuntary servitude. Oh, and apparently, people are still being stoned to death for committing adultery.
Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 32): I am embarassed that you have an American flag by your name. You sound like a typical liberal, moron tree-hugger who never has the facts straight, and usually isn't even close.
And when people post crap such as what you wrote above, it's makes me embarassed that they have an American flag by their name.
QFYMML From Australia, joined Jun 2007, 170 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4962 times:
Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 5): I think STR is to close to both FRA and MUC for people to fly there. I think they will go by train/bus or car.
I will gladly fly one stop to STR from MEL on my annual voyage & pay a premium to be able to do so.
My brother & his girlfriend fly the route in opposite directions twice a year to see each other also.
Add in another 2 sets of parents making the trip once per year....
There has to be a decent market for people travelling to STR, and then going from STR it's a one stop flight to just about anywhere you'd like to go east of DXB.