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EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

It seems EK are dropping their daily HAM-JFK flights as of next year but do keep the daily HAM-Dubai flight.
Bookings for New York from HAM are not possible any longer as of Aril 2008.
It is also speculated in German aviation forums that EK might drop their 5th freedom rights ex German for two more departure-airports-STR and TXL.

[Edited 2007-12-05 21:28:14]


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User currently offlineHMan From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8402 times:



Quoting KHI747 (Reply 12):
Forgive me for my ignorance but what are TXL and STR?

TXL= Berlin-Tegel (Berlin=capital and largest city in Germany)
STR =Stuttgart (that's where they build Porsche and Mercedes-Benz)


User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

I guess EK have enough O/D and transit pax from JFK to eliminate the HAM-JFK flight. Sometime ago they was saying that they need more capacity on the JFK-DXB run so I expect a thrid dail non stop to be loaded shortly.

Also if EK are going to gain STR & TXL in place of HAM-JFK it makes perfect business sence. They keep the three daily JFK-DXB and add two further destinations. Sound like a good deal to me...

lets wait for the official announcement from EK



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7822 times:



Quoting EmiratesCPH (Reply 9):
It was BAKU!

Why did they drop Baku?

I would have imagined all that oil business would have been enough to sustain that route !



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7773 times:

Given that EK struggled so much with JFK-HAM, I'd be curious to know how CO is doing on EWR-HAM. Anyone have any info on that?

User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7720 times:

Maybe we will see a BHX-JFK on EK that would put the cat amongst the pigeons

User currently offlineBps3458 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7722 times:

Guess HAM always had problems sustaining direct flights in to the US. As a kid I still remember NW (at that time still Northwest Orient) and PA offering direct flights in to/out of the States but they were all eventually dropped. Even though my family travelled frequently from HAM to the States in the 70's/80's we never made it on one of these direct flights from/to HAM. We did come close once but while sitting on the PA A310 at JFK and slowly moving towards the runway (must of been 60 planes ahead of us) captain advised we needed to return to the gate due to a hydraulic problem. We were flying business and we immediately got re-booked on flight via LHR.

Out of curiosity how is the CO non-stop EWR-HAM-EWR doing ? Low load factors as well ?

Cheers,

Peter


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7022 times:



Quoting Bps3458 (Reply 20):
Guess HAM always had problems sustaining direct flights in to the US.

You can say that again. DL tried it twice from ATL with the 763 and failed. They also tried it from JFK with the 763 as well, after PA managed to get along well with their A310s. AA failed with their ORD (?) flights as well. CO did pretty good before EK entered the market, not sure how things developed after that. That said, the 757 CO is using capacity-wise the best solution this market warrants, and really nothing more, as said as that is.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6964 times:



Quoting Jog (Reply 2):
but cargo loads on HAM-JFK must have been pretty good (unless the captain had another reason for an incredible long take-off roll).

could have been a flex take-off (de-rated)


User currently offlineUzimmermann From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

I remember coming to the US via DL in 1995 from HAM, but it went to CPH first, then ATL. From there I connected to SFO. Too bad EK is dropping JFK-HAM, I had thought about flying domestic to JFK from OAK or SFO and then directly to Hamburg, after my wifed tried once CO via EWR and wasn't happy at all about CO.

User currently offlineBNinMSY From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6098 times:

Should have known something was 'up' today when we received this press release from EK. A very nice jesture and opportunity to experience their product/service.



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



EMIRATES OFFERS EXCLUSIVE $25 FARE FROM JFK TO HAMBURG

FOR ALL U.S. TRAVEL AGENTS

Includes Special Companion Fare to One of Northern Europe's

Most Exciting Cosmopolitan Cities



NEW YORK, (December 6, 2007) - Emirates Airline, the global carrier that has
won over 300 awards for outstanding customer service, has announced a
special offer for travel agents to visit Hamburg, Germany from New York.



Emirates will fly agents between New York and Hamburg in Economy Class for
$25 roundtrip and their companion/spouse for $290 roundtrip. Agents and
their companions taking advantage of the promotional airfare are responsible
for taxes and government fees of $71.90 for each traveler. The offer is good
for travel now through December 13, 2007 and from January 15 to March 28,
2008, by which date all travel must be completed. Upgrades are not available
and booking must be done within 14 days of departure. All travel agents who
are on the staff of an IATAN-listed travel agency are eligible.



In addition to the special airfare offer, Emirates also has arranged for
special agent rates at several Hamburg hotels, including the Hotel Atlantic
Kempinski, Elysee Hotel Hamburg, Le Royal Meridien Hamburg, Fairmont Hotel
Vier Jahreszeiten, Mövenpick Hamburg Wasserturm and Park Hyatt Hamburg.



Emirates' New York-Hamburg Flight EK 206 departs New York/JFK at 11:15 p.m.,
arriving in Hamburg at 1:05 p.m. the following day. The return flight,
EK205, departs Hamburg at 2:40 p.m., landing at 5:30 p.m. at JFK local time.




Hamburg, the city that launched the Beatles, has become one of Northern
Europe's most exciting and cosmopolitan urban centers. The city boasts a
vibrant international dining scene, cultural treasures, nonstop
entertainment and nightlife, luxurious hotels, and endless parks, lakes and
canals. Hamburg is connected to the rest of the Continent by high-speed
train service and is a convenient base for exploring the rest of Germany or
Europe.



To take advantage of Emirates' JFK HAM Daily offer contact your local
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###


About Emirates

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levels of customer service. It serves 97 cities in 61 countries around the
globe, including three daily flights from New York's JFK to Dubai, with a
young and technologically advanced fleet of aircraft that are equipped with
industry-leading comforts in the air. Emirates is currently the only airline
to operate non-stop flights to six continents from one hub. Operations on
Emirates from New York connect America to the world through the airline's
route network with extensive connections to the Far East, Australia and
Africa. On December 3, 2007, Emirates will launch thrice weekly nonstop
service from Houston to Dubai. For more information, visit
www.emirates.com/usa.


User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5900 times:



Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 18):
I'd be curious to know how CO is doing on EWR-HAM. Anyone have any info on that?

When EK entered that market, I was afraid that Continental might pull out because the added capacity would destroy yields. I am glad that CO decided to stick out.

I can't tell for sure how CO is doing on that route, but I did take advantage of their CGN service three times since 2006. Loads average 80+%, and since CO appears to be "pooling" the fare buckets of their CGN and FRA flights, I assume the yields are fine, too. I'd say that HAM is in all likelihood comparable to CGN.

What I noted an all my flights to CGN was that the overwhelming majority of passengers originated in the US. My guess is that EK probably has a hard time tapping that particular market segment. For one, they don't have any connecting traffic to speak of at JFK. Secondly, I would never give them my business, and a lot, if not most of my fellow citizens probably feel the same way.


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

I wish EK would standardize their product offering a bit...

JFK-DXB-JFK they offer:

EK204/203 B777-300ER "ULR" (12 F seats, but they're 2-2-2 across and not private)
EK206/205 A340-500 (stopover HAM) (12 F suites)
EK202/201 B777-300ER (8 F suites, I think...there seem to be few pictures of the newest iteration)


Across the EK fleet their F product is all over the place. I find it extremely odd that they even took delivery of their first 77W's with a 2-2-2 across F product.

Quoting BNinMSY (Reply 24):

EMIRATES OFFERS EXCLUSIVE $25 FARE FROM JFK TO HAMBURG

FOR ALL U.S. TRAVEL AGENTS

Extremely cool for all you TAs out there.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6342 times:

ARGH! I was looking at visiting Germany for the first time this Summer...and my family lives in Hamburg. It was going to be so nice to be able to fly JFK - HAM instead of going to MUC or FRA and transfer. I knew I should have gone earlier!  banghead   banghead   banghead 


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User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6314 times:



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 27):
It was going to be so nice to be able to fly JFK - HAM instead of going to MUC or FRA and transfer.

It would probably still be more convenient to fly direct from Newark.


User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5956 times:



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 25):
Secondly, I would never give them my business, and a lot, if not most of my fellow citizens probably feel the same way.

Just curious why you would never give EK your business (and why you think other Americans feel that way). Or am I misinterpreting your statement?


User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

Flew CO EWR-HAM twice this year. Both were great, clean planes , good service , and with AVOD coming should get even better.

User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5751 times:



Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 29):
Or am I misinterpreting your statement?

No, you got that right. I generally do not support businesses and/or countries (in the case of Emirates the airline, it's the same, since it's controlled by the ruler's family), whose existence is founded on gross human rights violations. The emirs have certainly a good PR machine going, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no right to free speech or free assembly, no free press, no labor organization. Wy would I or any other freedom-loving human being wanna support that?


User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5694 times:



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 31):
No, you got that right. I generally do not support businesses and/or countries (in the case of Emirates the airline, it's the same, since it's controlled by the ruler's family), whose existence is founded on gross human rights violations. The emirs have certainly a good PR machine going, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no right to free speech or free assembly, no free press, no labor organization. Wy would I or any other freedom-loving human being wanna support that?

Wow! Just wow! Please do some research on the UAE before you ever post such a bunch of ridiculous BS again. I am embarassed that you have an American flag by your name. You sound like a typical liberal, moron tree-hugger who never has the facts straight, and usually isn't even close.


User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

I did my research. The latest Human Rights Watch Report, various pieces on National Public Radio and the BBC. Where do you get yours from? And I take 'liberal' and 'tree-hugger' as compliments. And that concludes this discussion on my part. The last thing I intend to do is to provide an audience for hicks like you.

User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5456 times:



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 33):
And I take 'liberal' and 'tree-hugger' as compliments.

You shouldn't. National Public Radio? Liberal propaganda bullshit. And please post a link to the Human Rights Watch List you have alluded to. I would love to see it. Or are you concluding the conversation because you know you are wrong? Don't you have some MSNBC to go watch? You can be brainwashed some more.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5436 times:



Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 32):
Wow! Just wow! Please do some research on the UAE before you ever post such a bunch of ridiculous BS again.

No, you need to do some research on the UAE. The country is in no way, shape, or form a democracy nor are basic freedoms guaranteed by law. When Abu Dhabi's ruler died, his son succeeded him, when Dubai's ruler dies, his brother succeeded him. Human trafficking is rampant, migrant workers are often treated like garbage and discriminated against in the workspace, as well as being forced into situations of involuntary servitude. Oh, and apparently, people are still being stoned to death for committing adultery.

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 32):
I am embarassed that you have an American flag by your name. You sound like a typical liberal, moron tree-hugger who never has the facts straight, and usually isn't even close.

And when people post crap such as what you wrote above, it's makes me embarassed that they have an American flag by their name.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5385 times:



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 33):
I did my research. The latest Human Rights Watch Report



Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 34):
You shouldn't. National Public Radio? Liberal propaganda bullshit. And please post a link to the Human Rights Watch List you have alluded to. I would love to see it.

I'll bite, even though it's off topic. http://hrw.org/doc/?t=mideast&c=uae

I wonder if PHXFlyer is talking about the labour issue or the gay issue? Anyway there is no utopia, I still want to visit the UAE.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineQFYMML From Australia, joined Jun 2007, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5209 times:



Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 5):
I think STR is to close to both FRA and MUC for people to fly there. I think they will go by train/bus or car.

Not I.
I will gladly fly one stop to STR from MEL on my annual voyage & pay a premium to be able to do so.
My brother & his girlfriend fly the route in opposite directions twice a year to see each other also.
Add in another 2 sets of parents making the trip once per year....

There has to be a decent market for people travelling to STR, and then going from STR it's a one stop flight to just about anywhere you'd like to go east of DXB.

I think it will do well.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5215 times:
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Quoting Bps3458 (Reply 20):
Out of curiosity how is the CO non-stop EWR-HAM-EWR doing ? Low load factors as well ?

May 2007 - EWR-HAM - 4508 pax - 12,5t cargo
HAM-EWR - 3793 pax - No cargo

April 2007 - EWR-HAM - 3940 pax - 10,2t cargo
HAM-EWR - 4089 pax - No cargo

June to be released later this month.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
25 Ronerone : It is rather unusual to hear of EK dropping a route. Although this did not come as a surprise either. I believe the 77W wasn't a good fit for that ser
26 Tsnamm : From where?? Northern NJ...sure...Queens no...
27 Ikramerica : I flew CO before EK entered the market and the plane was full. I remember hearing how EK would drive CO out of the market, and I find it amazing that
28 EK77W : All JFK flights are almost completely standardised now... EK 204/203 777-300ER/ULR is now 8F (similar to A345) in a 1-2-1 configuration, and 42J (lie
29 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..speak for yourself.....try flying on EK a few times and you will find the majority aren't Arabs.... ...I fly EK a bunch of times/year..and like eve
30 Ikramerica : I don't think that was his point. While I don't agree with what he's saying so much, I think there are PLENTY of americans who feel as he feels, and
31 Planetime : When or Will EK replace the HAM flight to JFK with a non-stop? I know all the JFK flights do very well as you could not get a seat to fly out. Is EK g
32 Aerofan : HA! Some of you guys are funny I have taken EX out of JFK twice. on both of my flight to and from the JFK there were less than 10 Americans (by appear
33 OA412 : You're not seriously defending single-party dictatorial regimes are you? How many of those who don't mind living under such a regime do you honestly
34 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ......there are PLENTY of American's who don't even know where the Middle East is... ....or are flat-out ignorant, hypocritical or a combination. tha
35 Someone83 : Well, it works for them. Democracy isn't the only way..... And there's no one that forces the immigrants workers to come there working[Edited 2007-12
36 Jog : When I tried to book a connection HAM-JFK-BUF with 2:50h connecting time, this was not possible because EK required a minimum connection time of at l
37 Post contains images OA412 : No I don't like it and I don't support it. Rules may be rules but stoning someone to death because they cheated on their wife isn't exactly my idea o
38 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...right, so I guess you like to nitpick on one minour detail (something which doesn't happen to much anyway) while completely ignoring the "big pict
39 Post contains images SandroZRH : Talking of PR machines, it seemes like the US PR machine worked in your case. I think they call it brainwashing. What a load of pathetic BS, geeez...
40 FlyEmirates : Clearly someone who thinks he knows it all - be warned that the EK203/204 DOESNT HAVE SUITES YET and is being sold as 12 in F (skycruiser) until Feb
41 Kaitak : Folks, I've been following this thread and I'm still not sure what EK dropping HAM-JFK has to do with sharia and lynching in the deep south! In relati
42 EK77W : Calm down! I was just passing on information I had heard from someone else who works for EK that I thought may have helped! No need to get all defens
43 DZ09 : Let see we had Bush I, then Clinton (2 terms) then Bush II (2 terms) and soon we'll have Clinton II. Not much of a choice is it? As to Flying with Ek
44 Timberwolf24 : With EK dropping HAM-JFK, what is the likely hood of EK moving the route to HAM-ORD?
45 KissK : oh come on.... If the route is not working there is no wrong of chopping it off EK is a profit making organisation afterall!!! They always say they ha
46 Klwright69 : Umm not real likely... HAM is never been much of a winner for TATL service... CO does fine with the 757.. I think that will be sufficient..
47 Kaitak : EK would be more than welcome to set up a mini hub in DUB if they wanted; DUB-JFK/MIA etc, plus of course, DUB-DXB. Aer Lingus wouldn't be too pleased
48 MAH4546 : 0%. If they wanted to use some of their high-density aircraft with lesser premium services, it might work, but there traditional premium product woul
49 Fly2CHC : It really cracks me up how hypocritical some people can be. You honestly think that the US have a good human rights record? Flouting Geneva Conventio
50 PITrules : Yeah, America is so awful. Agreed. It's time to finalize justice, and clean out death row. Amazing...people think enemy combatents and terrorists des
51 Post contains images WILCO737 : I heard the same that EK is dropping only the flight to JFK from HAM... And as said earlier no flight to the US from HAM was successful... I hope that
52 Behramjee : Officially confirmed : Nonstop DXB-HAM to be increased from a daily B 772 (3 class) to a 3 class B 777-300ER from Aug 1st 2008. Its loaded on Sabre no
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