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8 More A333 For Cathay, Fleet Of 200 In 5yrs  
User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11103 times:

And considering more A32x for Dragon. What a year for the A330!

This will make Cathay the single largest A330 and A333 operator in the world. Plus the 16 A333s with Dragonair, they will have 56 A333 by 2012.

Quote:
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_INTL/aboutus/pressroomdetails?refID=6bdd51169eea6110VgnVCM32000011d21c39____

Cathay Pacific Group fleet to number 200 in five years with latest aircraft order
6 December 2007

Cathay Pacific Airways today announced a further expansion of its fleet, with a firm order placed for eight more Airbus A330-300 aircraft valued at approximately US$1.7 billion at list prices. Together with the commitment for 17 long-haul passenger aircraft and freighters announced last month, the new aircraft will take the Cathay Pacific Group's fleet size to 200 by 2012.

The latest additions, scheduled for delivery between 2010 and 2012, will take the number of A330-300s in Cathay Pacific's fleet to 40 - 29 are already in operation and three more are set for delivery in 2008. Another 16 of the aircraft type are operated by sister airline Dragonair, meaning the Cathay Pacific Group operates the largest A330-300 fleet in the world.

...

Mr Tyler said the Group is also considering leasing or buying more Airbus A320 aircraft to meet expected growth on secondary routes in the region. Dragonair currently operates a fleet of 16 of the aircraft type.


[Edited 2007-12-06 10:15:46]


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

How many orders is that for the A330 this year (firm+outstanding) ?

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10937 times:



Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
How many orders is that for the A330 this year (firm+outstanding) ?


In 2007, Airbus has announced a total of 293 orders ( firm/pending). It would seem that Airbus will most likely reach 200 firm in 2007 with some being firmed up in 2008.

Will be interesting to see what got firmed up in November and what will be firmed up until the end of the year.  Smile

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10841 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
How many orders is that for the A330 this year (firm+outstanding) ?

November started with -

60 A330-200
66 A330-200F
35 A330-300

for a total of 161 firm orders.

In November the following firm orders were announced -

10 A330-200 China Southern
2 A330-200 KLM
2 A330-200 Oman Air
3 A330-300 Oman Air
5 A330-200 US Airways

and the following pendings were announced -

40 CASGC

and with this announcement, A330-300 for Cathay, that brings us to a current total of 191 firm orders, according to the Airbus spreadsheet and confirmed orders via EADS/Airbus press releases.

Notable to add to that is the 6 Aer Lingus A330-300 aircraft that were apparently firmed by the airline on the 14th of November via press release, but EADS/Airbus have not released anything themselves to this effect so I wait to see that on the O&D spreadsheet before I count it. Just reading the release again, its contingent on the order being passed at an extraordinary shareholders meeting, so I definitely do not count it as firm atm.

[Edited 2007-12-06 10:46:14]

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12513 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10771 times:

Will any new aircraft be delivered in KA livery, including A320s? Although the article states that KA already operates 16 A320s, I wonder if at any time the whole fleet, including the A32Xs would be repainted in CX colours?

It's certainly great to see such ambitious plans and of course, we have the A350 -v- 787 competition next year.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31096 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10433 times:
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Between the new 77Ws and A330s, I wonder if CX might be waiting until the late 2010's to begin deliveries for their next generation fleet so they can see what the 787 and A350 families have to offer across the board?

As such, I wonder if they might not actually look to make a decision until post-2010.

[Edited 2007-12-06 12:25:04]

User currently offlineAbba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1372 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10103 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
As such, I wonder if they might not actually look to make a decision until post-2010.

That will be very typical CX...


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6936 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9907 times:

These 8 new ones wouldn't also have Trent 700s, would they?  Wink  bigthumbsup 

User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9654 times:

Airbus has put the press release on the follow up order online:

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre.../07_12_06_a330_cathay_pacific.html

They will be RR powered indeed according to the press release.


BTW- I suggest to change the title of the topic to 'Cathay orders 8 A330-300' to fully reflect the content of this topic, because at first I thought it was about a lease agreement! Given the low number of hits this topic has received, I have a feeling I am not the only one...

[Edited 2007-12-06 15:23:57]

User currently offlineFruitbat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 551 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9586 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 7):
These 8 new ones wouldn't also have Trent 700s, would they?

Of course - what sane airline would choose anything else??  Big grin

 duck 



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19924 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

It's interesting. Cathay has been very reluctant to deviate from their current fleet composition. No interest in the 787, A350, or A380.

Why would you order an A330 when you could order an A350?


User currently offlineFruitbat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 551 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9197 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Why would you order an A330 when you could order an A350?

Good question. Maybe because you don't have to wait 7+ years?



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6936 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9179 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Why would you order an A330 when you could order an A350?

1. Because you'll get them sooner.
2. Because you already have a huge fleet of A333s.
3. Because they are not aimed at exactly the same markets.


User currently offlineFLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9050 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 12):
1. Because you'll get them sooner.
2. Because you already have a huge fleet of A333s.
3. Because they are not aimed at exactly the same markets.

And they are still money-making planes with proven dispatch reliability!


User currently offlineQantasHeavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8273 times:

Hope these are for 8+ hour routes and new CX interiors... the old 330s in their fleet need a make-over inside.

You can get on three different types of CX 333s: crappy ("330"), nice ("333") and very nice ("33B"). Having recently been stuck on "crappy" HKG-SYD I was not happy. My co-worker got the 33B on the same route a few weekd later -- he was very happy!


User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7860 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 12):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Why would you order an A330 when you could order an A350?

1. Because you'll get them sooner.
2. Because you already have a huge fleet of A333s.
3. Because they are not aimed at exactly the same markets.

And the history of A340-600 made CX very conservative about buying newly designed planes. They would rather wait to see how it goes when other carriers start operating them. Although B748F was an exception maybe because they are confident it will really be good!

[Edited 2007-12-06 20:36:56]

User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7560 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
No interest in the 787, A350, or A380.

CX DFO recently said on CX's internal website (I'd rather not quote him verbatim on here), that CX wasn't negociating with either B or A on the 787 and A350 nor on the 748i and A380. However, they receive regular briefings from both manufacturers on these products. He said CX has currently no plan to get rid of the A343s either.

He said CX will likely need a larger a/c in the fleet one day and will evaluate both the 748i and A380, but no plans of that in the near future.

The current focus is on building up capacity through frequency, thus the addition of the 77W and, now, more A333s...



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineAbba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1372 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7190 times:



Quoting Andrewtang (Reply 15):
And the history of A340-600 made CX very conservative about buying newly designed planes. They would rather wait to see how it goes when other carriers start operating them. Although B748F was an exception maybe because they are confident it will really be good!

Sure - and the problems with the RR fans on their 330s (it grounded their entire fleet at some point) and the many teething problems on their 777s that filled South China Morning post the first few months they were in service with CX telling that now this and now that 777 had to return to base due to a fire alarm going off somewhere etc etc etc.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6936 posts, RR: 63
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

By the time the last of these new A333s is delivered Cathay's oldest one will be 17 years old!  Wow!

How often has it happened that an airline has been taking delivery of the same widebody type over a 17-year period? There can't be many examples.


User currently onlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1896 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6691 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Cathay has been very reluctant to deviate from their current fleet composition. No interest in the 787, A350, or A380

Something tells me that if 787-10 was available to offer, CX would have purchased it.

Quoting Andrewtang (Reply 15):
CX very conservative about buying newly designed planes. They would rather wait to see how it goes when other carriers start operating them. Although B748F was an exception maybe because they are confident it will really be good!

748F is not entirely new design. It's an update of a proven, existing design, and since there is nothing else available in its class, CX would be unwise not to purchase it, given the amount of cargo traffic they deal with.



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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6682 times:



Quoting Abba (Reply 17):

Well, CX has had trouble with the introduction of some types of their fleet, but remember that back then they didn't mind getting the very first frames off the assembly line, so as to get a discount...

They have some of the very first T7 out there (amongst which one of the prototype), and some very early 744 and A333 as well.


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another test frame...



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6936 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6667 times:



Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 19):
Something tells me that if 787-10 was available to offer, CX would have purchased it.

So why haven't they bought the very similar A350-900 which is available?


User currently offlineExcalibur From France, joined Dec 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6535 times:

What a year for the A330! Really, the A333 is a great winner in its category.
With the 333 and the 77W, CX is now in good position to take time and have deep look at both the A350XWB (most likely the A359?) and the 787. Is a mix order a possibility? For example, 787-8/9 and A350-1000? Or will they go one way, A350-900/1000 for fleet commonality...  duck 



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6615 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

Francoflier, don't forget there are two A330s which were previous test frames, and that we also operate the prototype 777-300 in addition to the ones you mention. We will be taking one of the first few 747-8Fs.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7076 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5198 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 18):
How often has it happened that an airline has been taking delivery of the same widebody type over a 17-year period? There can't be many examples.

I think it happened before with Dc 10s and 747 classics.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
25 BlueSky1976 : Maybe because 787-10 as currently defined would be much better heavy-hauler on the routes A330s currently fly on whereas A350-900 would be too much o
26 Post contains images Stitch : A 787-10 would make a better A330-300 replacement then an A350-900 thanks to a (likely) lower MEW and more LD3 positions to carry more revenue cargo.
27 Excalibur : Considering some of the CX A330-300 missions, specially the short to medium haul routes, is it possible to quantify the improvement the 787-10 will o
28 Cloudyapple : If only anyone has any information on the -10's specs. It's a paper plane as of yet. There are lots of speculations. There is no publicly available i
29 RayChuang : Speaking of which, which routes does CX assign their A330-300's? I keep on thinking routes from HKG to TPE, MNL, BKK, KUL and SIN, regional routes whe
30 Cloudyapple : Just a note - it first flew in 1994 but Cathay bought it from Boeing in 2000.
31 Cloudyapple : Basically you'll see the A333 on all routes to China (on Cathay's own services), NE/SE Asia, India, CMB when it resumes, Middle East except RUH and a
32 Abba : Not before it had been in service for a few years and proven itself! True - and they had problems. And the local culture of placing blame kicked in.
33 Stitch : Assuming Boeing does nothing but stretch the 787-9 another 6m, you'd be looking at roughly a 128t MEW.* Airbus is still playing the MEW's of the A350
34 Zeke : The 787 makes as much sense to CX/KA for this joint order (the 330s will be for both airlines, split has not been determined) as southwest adding 8xA
35 Stitch : Understood. But we know CX won't fly the A330-300 forever, so when it comes time to replace the entire family, the 787-10 could have the edge on the
36 Zeke : It is the combined entity of CX/KA/LD. This order point to the type being in the fleet for another 10-15 years, possibly a lot longer if A330F conver
37 PADSpot : From the press statement .. Am I missing something? Since when sells the A333 at a list price of 212.5 Mil$ a piece? Last time I checked it was around
38 Post contains images WINGS : Don't forget about the engines. Regards, Wings
39 Karan69 : What is MEW and MTOW of the 333/332/343 compared to the 7810 and 359. Karan
40 Stitch : A330-200 MEW: 106t A330-300 MEW: 108t A340-300 MEW: 125t A330-200 MTOW: 192t to 233t A330-300 MTOW: 184t to 233t A340-300 MTOW: 254t to 278t (All dat
41 Post contains images Francoflier : Well, I'm new to the area and I missed that event, but I've been here long enough to understand why it must have happened that way! Thanks for the pr
42 Karan69 : Thanks a lot for the info mate Karan
43 Ronerone : Wow. didnt know that B-HNL was one of the very first! I've been on this particular plane last year and i loved it! DXB is one for sure. I wonder if D
44 Andrewtang : It is infact the first Boeing 777 prototype bearing L/N 1. Originally it was fitted with Pratt & Whittney engines and Boeing re-engined it to Rolls-R
45 Post contains links and images Francoflier : Yup, and exactly the same happened with B-HLJ: View Large View MediumPhoto © Jing-Kai Chiou a.k.a. F-WWSA, cn 012 View Large View MediumPhoto &c
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