Cathay Pacific Group fleet to number 200 in five years with latest aircraft order
6 December 2007
Cathay Pacific Airways today announced a further expansion of its fleet, with a firm order placed for eight more Airbus A330-300 aircraft valued at approximately US$1.7 billion at list prices. Together with the commitment for 17 long-haul passenger aircraft and freighters announced last month, the new aircraft will take the Cathay Pacific Group's fleet size to 200 by 2012.
The latest additions, scheduled for delivery between 2010 and 2012, will take the number of A330-300s in Cathay Pacific's fleet to 40 - 29 are already in operation and three more are set for delivery in 2008. Another 16 of the aircraft type are operated by sister airline Dragonair, meaning the Cathay Pacific Group operates the largest A330-300 fleet in the world.
Mr Tyler said the Group is also considering leasing or buying more Airbus A320 aircraft to meet expected growth on secondary routes in the region. Dragonair currently operates a fleet of 16 of the aircraft type.
Moo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4319 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11035 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 1): How many orders is that for the A330 this year (firm+outstanding) ?
November started with -
for a total of 161 firm orders.
In November the following firm orders were announced -
10 A330-200 China Southern
2 A330-200 KLM
2 A330-200 Oman Air
3 A330-300 Oman Air
5 A330-200 US Airways
and the following pendings were announced -
and with this announcement, A330-300 for Cathay, that brings us to a current total of 191 firm orders, according to the Airbus spreadsheet and confirmed orders via EADS/Airbus press releases.
Notable to add to that is the 6 Aer Lingus A330-300 aircraft that were apparently firmed by the airline on the 14th of November via press release, but EADS/Airbus have not released anything themselves to this effect so I wait to see that on the O&D spreadsheet before I count it. Just reading the release again, its contingent on the order being passed at an extraordinary shareholders meeting, so I definitely do not count it as firm atm.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12739 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10965 times:
Will any new aircraft be delivered in KA livery, including A320s? Although the article states that KA already operates 16 A320s, I wonder if at any time the whole fleet, including the A32Xs would be repainted in CX colours?
It's certainly great to see such ambitious plans and of course, we have the A350 -v- 787 competition next year.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31821 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10627 times:
Between the new 77Ws and A330s, I wonder if CX might be waiting until the late 2010's to begin deliveries for their next generation fleet so they can see what the 787 and A350 families have to offer across the board?
As such, I wonder if they might not actually look to make a decision until post-2010.
They will be RR powered indeed according to the press release.
BTW- I suggest to change the title of the topic to 'Cathay orders 8 A330-300' to fully reflect the content of this topic, because at first I thought it was about a lease agreement! Given the low number of hits this topic has received, I have a feeling I am not the only one...
QantasHeavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8467 times:
Hope these are for 8+ hour routes and new CX interiors... the old 330s in their fleet need a make-over inside.
You can get on three different types of CX 333s: crappy ("330"), nice ("333") and very nice ("33B"). Having recently been stuck on "crappy" HKG-SYD I was not happy. My co-worker got the 33B on the same route a few weekd later -- he was very happy!
Andrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 462 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8054 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 12): Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Why would you order an A330 when you could order an A350?
1. Because you'll get them sooner.
2. Because you already have a huge fleet of A333s.
3. Because they are not aimed at exactly the same markets.
And the history of A340-600 made CX very conservative about buying newly designed planes. They would rather wait to see how it goes when other carriers start operating them. Although B748F was an exception maybe because they are confident it will really be good!
CX DFO recently said on CX's internal website (I'd rather not quote him verbatim on here), that CX wasn't negociating with either B or A on the 787 and A350 nor on the 748i and A380. However, they receive regular briefings from both manufacturers on these products. He said CX has currently no plan to get rid of the A343s either.
He said CX will likely need a larger a/c in the fleet one day and will evaluate both the 748i and A380, but no plans of that in the near future.
The current focus is on building up capacity through frequency, thus the addition of the 77W and, now, more A333s...
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
Abba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1405 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7384 times:
Quoting Andrewtang (Reply 15): And the history of A340-600 made CX very conservative about buying newly designed planes. They would rather wait to see how it goes when other carriers start operating them. Although B748F was an exception maybe because they are confident it will really be good!
Sure - and the problems with the RR fans on their 330s (it grounded their entire fleet at some point) and the many teething problems on their 777s that filled South China Morning post the first few months they were in service with CX telling that now this and now that 777 had to return to base due to a fire alarm going off somewhere etc etc etc.
BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6885 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10): Cathay has been very reluctant to deviate from their current fleet composition. No interest in the 787, A350, or A380
Something tells me that if 787-10 was available to offer, CX would have purchased it.
Quoting Andrewtang (Reply 15): CX very conservative about buying newly designed planes. They would rather wait to see how it goes when other carriers start operating them. Although B748F was an exception maybe because they are confident it will really be good!
748F is not entirely new design. It's an update of a proven, existing design, and since there is nothing else available in its class, CX would be unwise not to purchase it, given the amount of cargo traffic they deal with.
Now get your f***ing Jumbo Jet off my airport!!! - AC/DC "Ain't No Fun To Be a Millionaire"
Well, CX has had trouble with the introduction of some types of their fleet, but remember that back then they didn't mind getting the very first frames off the assembly line, so as to get a discount...
They have some of the very first T7 out there (amongst which one of the prototype), and some very early 744 and A333 as well.
Excalibur From France, joined Dec 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6729 times:
What a year for the A330! Really, the A333 is a great winner in its category.
With the 333 and the 77W, CX is now in good position to take time and have deep look at both the A350XWB (most likely the A359?) and the 787. Is a mix order a possibility? For example, 787-8/9 and A350-1000? Or will they go one way, A350-900/1000 for fleet commonality...
CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6668 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5620 times:
Francoflier, don't forget there are two A330s which were previous test frames, and that we also operate the prototype 777-300 in addition to the ones you mention. We will be taking one of the first few 747-8Fs.