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TSA Screener Arrested At JFK  
User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11177 times:

A security screener at Kennedy International Airport trying to see his parents off on a trip boarded their plane without a ticket or a boarding pass Thursday and was arrested, authorities said.


The man boarded an Etihad Airways flight bound for the United Arab Emirates, and when the plane's doors shut, he notified a flight attendant, said Steve Coleman, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071207/ap_on_re_us/airport_breach


Can you say dee-dee-dee.

I'm thinking he's out of a job.

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User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 954 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11107 times:

1. Political correctness won't allow for his being fired. 2. He is a Federal employee, making firing impossible. 3. He is unionized (if I am not mistaken) making his firing absolutely impossible for such a minor, innocent infraction. My guess: all charges will be quickly dropped, and he will very politely be told to please not do that again in the future. Then you can expect a law suit brought by him and CAIR in the very near future for harassment. But hey, this IS America and TSA security is and always has been a charade!


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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2857 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11047 times:

I do not consider it a "minor infraction."

I don't know how it works stateside, but Mrs Shamu in ATC in the UK had a colleague who went airside to see his parents off on a day when he wasn't rostered for work.

Someone reported it to security.

The outcome was the airport management wanted him arrested or for his employer to fire him. In the end he lost his job anyway, because the airport withdrew his airside pass and priviledges.

Airside priviledges and access should only be used for your work requirements. Any other use is an abuse of the system.

Shamu



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6754 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11007 times:

I'm sorry, but the TSA are a joke and do not serve any particular function except to bottleneck passengers. The amount of good they have done is miniscule. What do they do?

1. Check your boarding pass for your name (which can be done at the counter or at the gate by agents).
2. Scan you for explosives (which can be done just as well automatically and with 1 airline employee per area).
3. Check your bags (which can be done inline of the baggage process)
4. Run those belts at full blast oblivious that they are knocking your bags, laptops, and other equipment all over the floor.

I say do away with them. They really do not serve any justifiable purpose and they do not make any of the flying public feel any more safer.. just more annoyed and disgruntled.

That's my opinion, and that's all I got to say about that.



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User currently offlineDelta11 From Germany, joined May 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10861 times:

Another question was he on duty or what? If not on duty then he used is Access against all rules and should be fired for that , He used his SIDA card access for personal use against Federal rules and then used in while committing a crime. The Federal Law is there so yes the union may say it was a mistake, but this guy is gone.

User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10840 times:



Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 1):
Then you can expect a law suit brought by him and CAIR in the very near future for harassment

While I agree with everything you say about the TSA, nowhere does it state his name, so you are being a little presumptious in assuming that CAIR will be involved!


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10478 times:
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Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
I'm sorry, but the TSA are a joke and do not serve any particular function except to bottleneck passengers. The amount of good they have done is miniscule.

As aviation enthusiasts we see them as jokes. But if you are a passenger who maybe flies once in a while they feel like wow these are Federal officials and I feel really safe. Plus the airlines would never put up with having to hire someone to do some of the jobs the TSA does. But that is just me!
Sully



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10464 times:



Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 1):
1. Political correctness won't allow for his being fired. 2. He is a Federal employee, making firing impossible. 3. He is unionized (if I am not mistaken) making his firing absolutely impossible for such a minor, innocent infraction.

If he was on duty, no. If he was off duty, you betcha he will get fired. Thats overstepping the bounds of the SIDA badge rules that he holds. The airport is NOT a playground!

If he was off duty, I hope they fry his butt!



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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10385 times:

Well I sure hope that the gate agent was fired too, since it is there job to allow only passengers and other qualified people (with company or security related business) through their jet bridge door.

Quoting Delta11 (Reply 4):
If not on duty then he used is Access against all rules and should be fired for that , He used his SIDA card access for personal use against Federal rules and then used in while committing a crime.

It would only be a crime because he bored the airplane without screening. Using his SIDA badge to by pass security to just walk around the terminal is not a crime as airline employees do it all the time to send off family memebers or meet their inbound flights.


User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10365 times:

Although he meant no harm, this is still a serious infraction of airport security rules. Its an example of whatever amount of power or authority he had going to his head.

I dont feel happy to see him lose his job, but i think he should be fired; which will send a message that boarding a plane without a valid boarding pass is never OK. ( Its not impossible to imagine a TSA agent , or someone impersonating one, with easy access to cabins of planes, planting a bomb or something on a plane for whatever reason, so unless they have a boarding pass, I think they should not be allowed on planes. )

He should also be fired because it sets a higher standard of professional conduct for TSA members, and will increase on the job discipline.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7436 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10289 times:

What is the CAIR

It is a new one for me.


User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10281 times:

Sack him. He knew the rules, thought he could get away with it. It's simple - sack him.


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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10144 times:

IIRC, the TSA employees are pushing for unions, but so far they haven't been allowed. I believe this is in the courts at present.


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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10091 times:
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Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 8):
Well I sure hope that the gate agent was fired too, since it is there job to allow only passengers and other qualified people (with company or security related business) through their jet bridge door

Considering the info given, I think your assessment is the best here.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but isnt it the gate agents job of how does and does not get on the plane.

Did this guy go up to the GA and flash a badge? If so, its irrelevant. The TSA employee got on the plane, but someone let him on, no matter how many ways you look at it.

So quite frankly, as much as I dislike most TSA employees that have dealt with, the wrong here seems to be that of the gate agents. And I don't see how s/he did not make the news story.



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User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 954 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10074 times:



Quoting BigOrange (Reply 5):
nowhere does it state his name, so you are being a little presumptious in assuming that CAIR will be involved!

Obviously, you are in complete agreement with my statement number 1: political correctness won't allow for... Since we are being politically correct, and true, I don't have the guy's name, I am guessing that it was not Menachem Schwartz, seeing his folks Malka and Yussi off on the trip of a lifetime to The United Arab Emirates on Etihad. It's just a hunch, but again, being politically correct , there is an old adage that if it walks like a duck, has feathers like a duck, quacks like a duck, hangs out with ducks, you are probably not dealing with a goat.

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 6):
But if you are a passenger who maybe flies once in a while they feel like wow these are Federal officials and I feel really safe

How often do suicide bombers fly? (Richard Colvin Reid comes to mind on this one)

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
The airport is NOT a playground!

When was the last time you flew with a low cost carrier? (A tad off topic, but sorry, I couldn't resist)

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 10):
What is the CAIR
It is a new one for me

Political correctness won't allow me to answer directly. Do a google search on: USAirways, passengers removed from flight, and lawsuit. There was a minor incident onboard a US Airways flight a few months back that involved the active removal of some pretty scary passengers. Also it is probably the only good reason these days to fly with US Airways

For those in the audience who haven't gotten the point of my wit, it boils down to this: As long as security agents randomly screen individuals for weapons in stead of actively screening for passengers who fit a profile of someone who might actually want to carry weapons, we have no security in place. The truth hurts.



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User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10028 times:



Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 14):
As long as security agents randomly screen individuals for weapons in stead of actively screening for passengers who fit a profile of someone who might actually want to carry weapons, we have no security in place. The truth hurts.

Uh.... What is your "wit" ?

That we should racial profile people who fly ? Is that it? Please clarify what you are trying to suggest. Is it that we should concentrate on Muslims and focus less scrutiny on non middle easterners because they wouldn't want to blow up a plane ( as much )?

I dont even think this story has anything to do with that, or political correctness.

This incident is about someone using their on the job authority to go places and do things in an airport to the extent that when they are caught, they get arrested. ( like getting on planes without authorization ) Its dangerous and unprofessional.


User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9976 times:



Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 8):
Using his SIDA badge to by pass security to just walk around the terminal is not a crime as airline employees do it all the time to send off family members or meet their inbound flights.

I'd just about guarantee it is a crime! I can't use my pass to bypass security except for work related purposes, and wandering around or playing tour guide doesn't qualify. It's an easy way to lose your pass, and as a result, your job.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7436 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9943 times:

The problem with profiling is that it assumes that the bomber/hijacker fits the profile.

I recall an attack many years ago when an Arab bomber persauded his Irish girlfriend to take a package on a plane. She was to go from A to B, but he had to go to C first and would meet her at the other end, Fortuneately LY security twigged on. It is doubtful that she would match the profile.

Equally neither would Timothy McVeigh. I assume that your profile would not be white ex military people.

As soon as you set a profile, it can be evaded.


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2857 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9921 times:

I'm way out of my comfort zone in this thread....people are agreeing with me !  Big grin

Shamu



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9872 times:



Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 1):
2. He is a Federal employee, making firing impossible

Actually, if a federal employee breaks the law, it makes it far easier to fire him/her.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13508 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9830 times:
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The infraction isn't using his SIDA badge to go through security without a boarding pass - it occurred when he boarded the aircraft.

And for that yes, his employment should be terminated.



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9525 times:

Why didn't he get off when the doors were about to be closed?

Why did he admit being on to an F/A?

So many odd questions..

-A



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User currently offlineSwatpamike From United States of America, joined May 2004, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8866 times:

Hello All

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
The airport is NOT a playground!

Tell that to all the morons that I work with.

Cheers

swatpamike


User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8791 times:
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Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):

1. Check your boarding pass for your name (which can be done at the counter or at the gate by agents).

I once made it through security with the wrong boarding pass (the ticket counter agent accidentally gave my girlfriend my pass and me hers) and not one of the three TSA agents who looked as the passes at the check point picked up on the mistake! It wasn't until the gate agent collected the tickets that we realized we had the wrong ones.


User currently offlineSnn2003 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8683 times:



Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 23):
I once made it through security with the wrong boarding pass (the ticket counter agent accidentally gave my girlfriend my pass and me hers) and not one of the three TSA agents who looked as the passes at the check point picked up on the mistake! It wasn't until the gate agent collected the tickets that we realized we had the wrong ones.

I had the same thing happen to me when I was younger. I was on passes and my mother listed my grandfather and not me, but I checked in and got past TSA. I caught it as we were being boarded and the gate agent was able to fix the problem. But still.... I shouldn't have been able to leave the counter.



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25 Fjnovak1 : TSA..... Thousands Standing Around 'Nuff Said!
26 Bok269 : He's innocent until proven otherwise.... If he is proven otherwise, he deserves to be fired. End of story.
27 Threepoint : I have done it in Canada on many occasions. Often a traveling colleague and I will 'accidentally' switch passes. Or IDs. Or both. Sometimes we will o
28 Post contains images Georgebush : Its actually not. As long as you have the government clearance to the SIDA area, they don't care as long as you follow the rules within the SIDA. Our
29 Rwy04LGA : As a ramper, I board aircraft all of the time!
30 Jhooper : It's a good thing he did--He'd be in a lot more trouble if he had flown to the U.A.E. I'm going to play devil's advocate here, but did they really ne
31 Georgebush : I agree with you, not a big deal at all. But as you said, in our society all it takes is for one employee to make the call. I believe that currently
32 EA CO AS : He was on the airplane and didn't have a ticket. He used his ID badge to get on there. Help me to understand - how is he innocent? The SIDA badge giv
33 Georgebush : Can you please find me that in the TSA SOP?? I beg to differ. Also, boarding aircrafts now IS indeed in the TSA job description. They do 'security ch
34 Sh0rtybr0wn : Is it a "common sight" to see TSA agents ( who are "visting" family on planes for which they have no ticket ) accidentally get caught on those planes
35 Bennett123 : Are they actually authorised to board a plane?.
36 Post contains images AirframeAS : Oh, its relevant. Very much so. It all boils down to if he was on duty or not and wearing his uniform. What is that supposed to mean? Don't play stup
37 Sgtusmc96 : Just to clear one thing up! TSA is aloud on the aircraft! We see it all the time here in DTW! But they only go on the aircraft if there are no pax on
38 Skyguy : I have very little faith in the TSA'a abilities from what I have observed in JFK and LGA airports for several years now. It's difficult to generalize
39 APFPilot1985 : Allowed Maybe while they are working, however off the clock to see some family members off? I don't think so. God I sure hope not.
40 Georgebush : That is because they do their security checks when no one is on the plane except the crew. He didnt break protocol!!!!!! Possibly yes when he was lef
41 Skyexramper : MKE doesn't care what we do, as long as we don't board a flight after we by-pass security. We can give tours to anyone we'd like, as long as they hav
42 Post contains images EA CO AS : Well said.
43 Georgebush : I am a gate agent and I have been one for two airlines in the us for two years. I know what I am talking about with the rules. We were allowed in the
44 Post contains images AirframeAS : Ok, your point is.......? Oh, Me too! I probably have been in this industry a hell of a lot longer than you! But....you might want to check, and agai
45 Georgebush : Okay... because I am quite sure the average Joe knows what a SIDA badge is... How does that make you and attention whore?? I still don't understand h
46 AirframeAS : If you are not an A&P, flight crew, or any pilot...you cannot under the F.A.R.'s write mx discriptancies up. Writing stuff up as a TSA agent is not a
47 Malaysia : Reminds me of one airport that I use to work at, where the police would go around the employee lot chalking up tires to see if they had been moved at
48 Bok269 : The same thing was said about the YX Captain as well as the VS FO (?) who were reported as drunk. We are all aware of the media's ability to miss rep
49 Mirrodie : Georgebush, I'm very much aware that you can access an aircraft in these ways. Of course, details are sketchy, but if this guy was seeing his parents
50 Post contains images Georgebush : But as an average gate agent, I would bet you they said nothing. TSA think they are higher than the airline employees, and most gate agents wouldnt w
51 Georgebush : Nexxxxt Believe me, you try to snap a TSA agent, then big daddy three bars will be having a chat with you. I don't mess with TSA never will. They are
52 Post contains images AirframeAS : Oh, he was trespassing. Aircraft are private property. He broke the law and overstepped the bounds of the SIDA rules. It does not get any elementary
53 Jgarrido : 2. Depends on how long he's been employed, if it's been less then a year he should start filling out Macdonald's applications now. 3. TSA falls under
54 Post contains links Sgtusmc96 : I fully agree that he had no business being on that plane at that time. All I was saying is that TSA has the authorization to be on the plane. He just
55 Mirrodie : Wow, I'm appalled. Is that how the average gate agent thinks? My goodness gracious, that is scary. So that means all a terrorist needs is an ID and a
56 Post contains links and images KC135TopBoom : No, currently the TSA is not unionized. They are trying, and have lots of support from a Democratic majoirity Congress (who will care less about all
57 N766UA : Tell that to PATCO.
58 MSYPI7185 : What is political incorrect about this? CAIR is an acronym for: Council for American-Islamic Relations.
59 AirframeAS : Thanks for the link. Having said that, they are only authorized on aircraft while on duty ONLY under certain circumstances with the assistance of the
60 Georgebush : TSA agents' superiors CAN make life hell for a GA. That is why most gate agents can't be bothered messing with the TSA, their cuzzin or their homeboy
61 Post contains images AirframeAS : You are out of touch with reality, bigtime. Good Riddance! Obviously, you have never heard of a uniform?? You don't know what the heck you are taking
62 Delta11 : According to 49 CFR Part 1542 the airport must post and follow security rules. All airports state in there PandP's the use if for Company use and not
63 Post contains images AirframeAS : That is the regulation I was looking for. Thank you.
64 Delta11 : Sir, In reading your post, yes he does have Authority to access a bird, but only for purpose of TSA work. "in order to inspect or test compliance or p
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