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Delta To Discontinue CMH-LAX In Jan. '08  
User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7168 times:

Delta will discontinue their 4x weekly 737-800 service between Columbus and Los Angeles in January.

Look for all Delta mainline to be gone sometime this year, along with American and USAirways mainline.

A certain new carrier in Columbus comes up a lot as far as reasoning for the airline cutbacks.

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7625 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7171 times:

Saw it coming. RDU and BDL are next.


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32804 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7111 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1):
Saw it coming. RDU and BDL are next.

Probably, IMO. And possibly MSY and OKC.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23034 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7041 times:



Quoting FlyCMH (Thread starter):
Look for all Delta mainline to be gone sometime this year, along with American and USAirways mainline.

MQ doesn't have the aircraft to provide sufficient lift to DFW for AA to pull mainline, and CMH-PHX is a heck of a long flight for a CR9. Don't overestimate the effect of SX.



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6963 times:

Rats, I was considering taking this flight in the spring....


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User currently offlineQuagmire123 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6936 times:



Quoting FlyCMH (Thread starter):
Delta will discontinue their 4x weekly 737-800 service between Columbus and Los Angeles in January.

Look for all Delta mainline to be gone sometime this year, along with American and USAirways mainline.

A certain new carrier in Columbus comes up a lot as far as reasoning for the airline cutbacks.

Is there a linked article somewhere? Thanks.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6896 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
And possibly MSY

If they cut it it'd be due to the cost of fuel, not due to the success of the market in general. From what I am told DL is doing pretty well in it with high F class demand since UA is just Ted now in the market.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6886 times:

ATL-CMH will be all DCI...really????

I think RDU and BDL should do well.


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3774 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6830 times:

Quoting FlyCMH (Thread starter):
Look for all Delta mainline to be gone sometime this year

I figured the LAX route was the only reason CMH still had DL mainline flights. Everything else has been dropped to RJs.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 7):
ATL-CMH will be all DCI...really????

It's been mostly DCI for a year at least. Mainline started dropping off a couple years ago & it's been a free fall since. The 757s haven't been here since '04, then it was a mix of M88s, 738s & a 732, then there was a late night ERJ flight that showed up & more 70 seaters have replaced mainline as time has gone on. I looked up a random date (2/14) & the schedule shows 5 E-170s, 1 Mad Dog, 1 738 & a CRJ to ATL. It's 4 CRJs, a couple ERJs & an MD to CVG.

[Edited 2007-12-07 15:44:56]


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User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2799 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6659 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1):
RDU and BDL are next

I thought I read somewhere they were getting good numbers on the BDL flight. A buddy of mine flew on it a few times and he said they always packed them in pretty tight. Hope BDL doesn't lose the flight!
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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6557 times:

Looks like RDU gets canned too. BDL remains the sole survivor.

User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6519 times:



Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 10):
Looks like RDU gets canned too.

Where'd you hear that?  Confused



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2799 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6514 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
OKC

I doubt it, UAX just added the second n/s flight to LAX. Which means we now have roughly 200 seats there and back if my math is correct, not to mention XE to ONT. I'm surprised WN hasn't attempted it, since SoCal is a big operation for WN.

Time will tell.



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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6497 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 12):
I doubt it, UAX just added the second n/s flight to LAX.

...and that would make it all the more reason for DL to cancel the route.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7625 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6469 times:



Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 10):
Looks like RDU gets canned too. BDL remains the sole survivor.

Its still in the schedule, where did you hear that RDU-LAX is going the way of CMH? I wont be surprised, but it still there right now.



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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

So, between now and January, DL (between mainline and ExpressJet) will cut the following LAX markets:

CMH
JAX
LAS (mainline only)
LMM
MFE
SAN
YVR

Is this the beginning of a pulldown?


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6401 times:



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 11):
Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 10):
Looks like RDU gets canned too.

Where'd you hear that?

RDU shows zeroed-out for the month of January, as does CMH, which is generally a good indication that a route is going to be canceled before it's actually removed from the system.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25442 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6359 times:



Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 15):
CMH
JAX
LAS (mainline only)
LMM
MFE
SAN
YVR

Is this the beginning of a pulldown?

Plus add in the "seasonal" markets which were to return and never did, along with pretty anemic low frequency in many remaining ones especially those to Mexico.



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User currently offlineDL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6347 times:



Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 15):
Is this the beginning of a pulldown?

Possibly, however really, what market is there on a route like JAX-LAX, or CMH-LAX, or MFE? and LMM, where is that? Also, LAX-LAS has no shortage of flights. As for LAX-SAN, that route can be profitably served with a turbo prop, but not with a jet, its too short of a flight for jet service. As for YVR, I can't logically justify why it'd be cut from LAX.

I view DL's largest mistake was going into the obscure markets instead of the larger, higher yielding business centers. They don't have the name recognition, and the quickest way to gain that is to simply go to the larger business markets first with larger aircraft and a schedule that suits a business traveler going to LAX.



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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6347 times:



Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 16):
RDU shows zeroed-out for the month of January, as does CMH, which is generally a good indication that a route is going to be canceled before it's actually removed from the system.

CMH would sell me a ticket in Feb on DL.com... hmmm....



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User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

DL are cutting a few RJ destinations out of ATL as well. I fear we're going to see a lot more of this if oil remains at this level.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32804 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6296 times:



Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 19):

CMH would sell me a ticket in Feb on DL.com... hmmm....

Changes will be made to Delta's website overnight Saturday. GDS systems typically show zero'd out availability before airline websites do.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6251 times:



Quoting FlyCMH (Thread starter):

Look for all Delta mainline to be gone sometime this year, along with American and USAirways mainline.

..do you mean mainline AA out of CMH? Besides a few flights to DFW, does AA fly any mainline out of CMH?



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32804 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6225 times:



Quoting Kanebear (Reply 20):
DL are cutting a
few RJ destinations out of ATL as well. I fear we're going to see a lot more of this if oil remains at this level.

Any idea which ones?

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 12):

I doubt it, UAX just added the second n/s flight to LAX. Which means we now have roughly 200 seats there and back if my math is correct, not to mention XE to ONT. I'm surprised WN hasn't attempted it, since SoCal is a big operation for WN.

Time will tell.

What does UA flying it have to do with DL? I didn't say anything about UA ending the route. I think it's a given Delta will end OKC-LAX soon, especially with UA at 2x daily.



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2799 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6146 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
What does UA flying it have to do with DL? I didn't say anything about UA ending the route. I think it's a given Delta will end OKC-LAX soon, especially with UA at 2x daily.

I meant that as there is obviously some demand for the route, with 3 airlines operating the same [LAX/ONT] area. But then again, you may be right as there will be too much service and one airline will fold the route.



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25 SLCUT2777 : They've even pulled YVR-SLC down to two CRJ's daily now. ATL is still a 752 4x per week (Thur, Fri, Sat, Sun) which should keep all the Florida bound
26 Ouboy79 : OKC will be losing the last mainline flight as well...MD-88 to a CRJ. How times have really changed. It's like i'm back in TOL all over again. Which i
27 LACA773 : Agreed. I have to give DL credit for trying.
28 Jetmatt777 : Don't lose hope, it's probably a winter schedule adjustment. We'll probably get it back in April/May when the demand for summer travel starts to move
29 RwSEA : LAX is a symptom of DL's problem as a whole - they're desperately short of mainline aircraft and as a result are forced to fly routes with unpopular
30 MAH4546 : Just because three airlines fly a route doesn't mean there is necesarily demand. United and Delta announced the route at around the same time, and wh
31 Commavia : To be honest, I don't think RJs versus mainline would make much of a difference in some of these markets, regardless. In some of these markets, Delta
32 MSYtristar : LAX-RDU is not showing in the res system after 1/7/08. That one looks like it's done. EDIT: It looks like LAX-CMH and LAX-RDU are coming back on 3/2/0
33 Neednewairport : Losing US mainline? That is not what I hear. There are daily mainline flights from LAS and PHX which have existed since the time that CMH was a hub fo
34 Brilondon : I thought they left years ago when they established their hub in CVG
35 DAL767400ER : Tell that to the folks in Boston Tell that to the folks in Dallas Tell that to the folks in Cincinnati Tell that to the folks in Fort Lauderdale Tell
36 Commavia : Indeed. In the last 4-6 months, Delta has slowed down the growth, and begun pairing back schedules in a lot of places. But over the last 18-24 months
37 FlyPNS1 : Not really true. DL has shrunken significantly in the domestic market. DL today has about 25% less domestic capacity today than it did four years ago
38 Post contains images ThegreatRDU : RDU stays....RDU stays
39 Cubsrule : The problem with both CMH and JAX, I think, is that DL overestimated the number of people who would choose not to connect when the flights were not d
40 DeltaRules : US East metal is going away. The daily 733 flights to DCA & CLT aren't in the schedule much longer. The ex-HP flights look to be sticking around. Don
41 Surfdog75 : DL's LAX hub is not going anywhere. In fact, the pilot base there will grow by 25% between now and Jun 08 with the addition of a 737-800 base.
42 Cubsrule : Yup, 1x to BOS and 2x to RDU... that's what I get for trying to think on a Saturday morning. Both are discontinued January 4, but it appears that the
43 DAL767400ER : And all the DCI growth was still nothing compared to the boatload of capacity DL cut on the mainline side in the domestic market. Remember that withi
44 Kanebear : CRP is one, there's two others that I don't recall immediately.
45 DeltaL1011man : When DL picks up the MD-90s look for the 738s from SLC to go to LAX
46 HPAEAA : Goes to 3x S80/2x EMJ soon... BOS goes 2x soon...
47 44k : Sad to see loosing more mainline @ CMH. Thats actually 4x ER3, soon to be 5x daily.
48 Cubsrule : Man, I just screwed it up totally, didn't I?
49 Papatango : What is the latest on the China Southern MD-90's? [
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