Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21244 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5766 times:
Quoting FlyCMH (Thread starter): Look for all Delta mainline to be gone sometime this year, along with American and USAirways mainline.
MQ doesn't have the aircraft to provide sufficient lift to DFW for AA to pull mainline, and CMH-PHX is a heck of a long flight for a CR9. Don't overestimate the effect of SX.
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AA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59 Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5688 times:
Rats, I was considering taking this flight in the spring....
Quagmire123 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5661 times:
Quoting FlyCMH (Thread starter): Delta will discontinue their 4x weekly 737-800 service between Columbus and Los Angeles in January.
Look for all Delta mainline to be gone sometime this year, along with American and USAirways mainline.
A certain new carrier in Columbus comes up a lot as far as reasoning for the airline cutbacks.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5621 times:
If they cut it it'd be due to the cost of fuel, not due to the success of the market in general. From what I am told DL is doing pretty well in it with high F class demand since UA is just Ted now in the market.
DeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3623 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5555 times:
Quoting FlyCMH (Thread starter): Look for all Delta mainline to be gone sometime this year
I figured the LAX route was the only reason CMH still had DL mainline flights. Everything else has been dropped to RJs.
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 7): ATL-CMH will be all DCI...really????
It's been mostly DCI for a year at least. Mainline started dropping off a couple years ago & it's been a free fall since. The 757s haven't been here since '04, then it was a mix of M88s, 738s & a 732, then there was a late night ERJ flight that showed up & more 70 seaters have replaced mainline as time has gone on. I looked up a random date (2/14) & the schedule shows 5 E-170s, 1 Mad Dog, 1 738 & a CRJ to ATL. It's 4 CRJs, a couple ERJs & an MD to CVG.
Jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2021 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5384 times:
I thought I read somewhere they were getting good numbers on the BDL flight. A buddy of mine flew on it a few times and he said they always packed them in pretty tight. Hope BDL doesn't lose the flight!
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FlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2260 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5282 times:
Looks like RDU gets canned too. BDL remains the sole survivor.
DeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5244 times:
Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 10): Looks like RDU gets canned too.
Where'd you hear that?
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Jetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2663 posts, RR: 36 Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5239 times:
I doubt it, UAX just added the second n/s flight to LAX. Which means we now have roughly 200 seats there and back if my math is correct, not to mention XE to ONT. I'm surprised WN hasn't attempted it, since SoCal is a big operation for WN.
DeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5222 times:
Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 12): I doubt it, UAX just added the second n/s flight to LAX.
...and that would make it all the more reason for DL to cancel the route.
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HVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5164 times:
So, between now and January, DL (between mainline and ExpressJet) will cut the following LAX markets:
FlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2260 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5126 times:
RDU shows zeroed-out for the month of January, as does CMH, which is generally a good indication that a route is going to be canceled before it's actually removed from the system.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22055 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5084 times:
Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 15): CMH
JAX
LAS (mainline only)
LMM
MFE
SAN
YVR
Is this the beginning of a pulldown?
Plus add in the "seasonal" markets which were to return and never did, along with pretty anemic low frequency in many remaining ones especially those to Mexico.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
DL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5072 times:
Possibly, however really, what market is there on a route like JAX-LAX, or CMH-LAX, or MFE? and LMM, where is that? Also, LAX-LAS has no shortage of flights. As for LAX-SAN, that route can be profitably served with a turbo prop, but not with a jet, its too short of a flight for jet service. As for YVR, I can't logically justify why it'd be cut from LAX.
I view DL's largest mistake was going into the obscure markets instead of the larger, higher yielding business centers. They don't have the name recognition, and the quickest way to gain that is to simply go to the larger business markets first with larger aircraft and a schedule that suits a business traveler going to LAX.
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HPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5072 times:
Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 16): RDU shows zeroed-out for the month of January, as does CMH, which is generally a good indication that a route is going to be canceled before it's actually removed from the system.
CMH would sell me a ticket in Feb on DL.com... hmmm....
Kanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5073 times:
DL are cutting a few RJ destinations out of ATL as well. I fear we're going to see a lot more of this if oil remains at this level.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4976 times:
Quoting FlyCMH (Thread starter):
Look for all Delta mainline to be gone sometime this year, along with American and USAirways mainline.
..do you mean mainline AA out of CMH? Besides a few flights to DFW, does AA fly any mainline out of CMH?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4950 times:
Quoting Kanebear (Reply 20): DL are cutting a
few RJ destinations out of ATL as well. I fear we're going to see a lot more of this if oil remains at this level.
Any idea which ones?
Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 12):
I doubt it, UAX just added the second n/s flight to LAX. Which means we now have roughly 200 seats there and back if my math is correct, not to mention XE to ONT. I'm surprised WN hasn't attempted it, since SoCal is a big operation for WN.
Time will tell.
What does UA flying it have to do with DL? I didn't say anything about UA ending the route. I think it's a given Delta will end OKC-LAX soon, especially with UA at 2x daily.
Jetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2663 posts, RR: 36 Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4871 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23): What does UA flying it have to do with DL? I didn't say anything about UA ending the route. I think it's a given Delta will end OKC-LAX soon, especially with UA at 2x daily.
I meant that as there is obviously some demand for the route, with 3 airlines operating the same [LAX/ONT] area. But then again, you may be right as there will be too much service and one airline will fold the route.
No info
25 SLCUT2777: They've even pulled YVR-SLC down to two CRJ's daily now. ATL is still a 752 4x per week (Thur, Fri, Sat, Sun) which should keep all the Florida bound
26 Ouboy79: OKC will be losing the last mainline flight as well...MD-88 to a CRJ. How times have really changed. It's like i'm back in TOL all over again. Which i
27 LACA773: Agreed. I have to give DL credit for trying.
28 Jetmatt777: Don't lose hope, it's probably a winter schedule adjustment. We'll probably get it back in April/May when the demand for summer travel starts to move
29 RwSEA: LAX is a symptom of DL's problem as a whole - they're desperately short of mainline aircraft and as a result are forced to fly routes with unpopular
30 MAH4546: Just because three airlines fly a route doesn't mean there is necesarily demand. United and Delta announced the route at around the same time, and wh
31 Commavia: To be honest, I don't think RJs versus mainline would make much of a difference in some of these markets, regardless. In some of these markets, Delta
32 MSYtristar: LAX-RDU is not showing in the res system after 1/7/08. That one looks like it's done. EDIT: It looks like LAX-CMH and LAX-RDU are coming back on 3/2/0
33 Neednewairport: Losing US mainline? That is not what I hear. There are daily mainline flights from LAS and PHX which have existed since the time that CMH was a hub fo
34 Brilondon: I thought they left years ago when they established their hub in CVG
35 DAL767400ER: Tell that to the folks in Boston Tell that to the folks in Dallas Tell that to the folks in Cincinnati Tell that to the folks in Fort Lauderdale Tell
36 Commavia: Indeed. In the last 4-6 months, Delta has slowed down the growth, and begun pairing back schedules in a lot of places. But over the last 18-24 months
37 FlyPNS1: Not really true. DL has shrunken significantly in the domestic market. DL today has about 25% less domestic capacity today than it did four years ago
39 Cubsrule: The problem with both CMH and JAX, I think, is that DL overestimated the number of people who would choose not to connect when the flights were not d
40 DeltaRules: US East metal is going away. The daily 733 flights to DCA & CLT aren't in the schedule much longer. The ex-HP flights look to be sticking around. Don
41 Surfdog75: DL's LAX hub is not going anywhere. In fact, the pilot base there will grow by 25% between now and Jun 08 with the addition of a 737-800 base.
42 Cubsrule: Yup, 1x to BOS and 2x to RDU... that's what I get for trying to think on a Saturday morning. Both are discontinued January 4, but it appears that the
43 DAL767400ER: And all the DCI growth was still nothing compared to the boatload of capacity DL cut on the mainline side in the domestic market. Remember that withi
44 Kanebear: CRP is one, there's two others that I don't recall immediately.
45 DeltaL1011man: When DL picks up the MD-90s look for the 738s from SLC to go to LAX
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