Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Monarch To Start Retiring 757s  
User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1298 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8073 times:

Just noticed on the Jethro's fleet site that Monarch are to withdraw two of their 757s in the 3rd quarter of 2008. The 2 aircraft are G-MONB and G-MONE, their first flights were 1983 and 1985, meaning 'NB will be 25 years old when she retires. The Jethro's site says they are both to be parted out  Sad


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Jeroen Hribar - AirTeamImages
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © TFSPhoto



Sad to see these two aircraft retiring, the 757 fleet have been great workhorses for Monarch, and are also a credit to Monarch Engineering as they are still in such good shape. Guess it comes down to economics.

57 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8061 times:

Quoting Jmc757 (Thread starter):
Sad to see these two aircraft retiring, the 757 fleet have been great workhorses for Monarch

Should be interesting to know how many flying hours and cycles they'll have logged by then.

Edit:

Monarch was the fourth airline to order the 757 (to replace the 720s), and the second European after BA.

[Edited 2007-12-08 09:07:45]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

yeah, I can see the reasoning. they likely have high cycles and are not as efficient as 757s built 10 years later. i think you'll see some other carriers part out the 25 year old 757s due to age in the near future, as long as they have a viable replacement coming in for their needs.


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7962 times:

We discussed this in detail recently. I dont see what MON are going to replace them with. The 321 is payload and range restricted on routes like Sharm el Sheik or Gibraltar. What are they going to replace the 757s with???/ Newer ones?

User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7959 times:

The same day they announced they are taking 2 757s out of service with MON, they also listed 3 new A321 on order

User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7920 times:



Quoting Revo (Reply 4):
The same day they announced they are taking 2 757s out of service with MON, they also listed 3 new A321 on order

They haven't ordered any new A321's. They are getting 3 second hand one's:

G-OZBP - Ex G-TTIB of GB Airways (cn 1433)
G-OZBR - Ex N586NK of Spirit Airlines (cn 1794)
G-OZBS - Ex G-TTIA of GB Airways (cn 1428)

(New Registrations to be confirmed)

All -231 series which is the same as the rest of the A321 fleet

Also A320 G-OZBJ is to be WFU by end of February 2008

Mark



Retrofitted Blended Winglets - The Future Is On The Wing
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7902 times:

The 321 wont serve as an appropriate replacement for Monarch 757s. GIB for example, this route is served by 757 and 321 cannot carry full payload from there. Same with some Greek destinations operated on charters.

Also long routes to the Egyptian resorts and Eilat wont be possible with a full 321 from manchester or points North and the 757 can.

Two good examples of the 757s importance to Monarch. they need some newer 757s.


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2864 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7902 times:



Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 1):
Should be interesting to know how many flying hours and cycles they'll have logged by then.

Slightly out of date, but up to 31st December 2005,

G-MONB had accumulated 77319 hours
G-MONE had accumulated 75391 hours

Shamu



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7902 times:



Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 5):
G-OZBP - Ex G-TTIB of GB Airways (cn 1433)



Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 5):
G-OZBS - Ex G-TTIA of GB Airways (cn 1428)

So, will EZY not be operating A321s out of LGW?


User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7887 times:



Quoting Vasu (Reply 8):
So, will EZY not be operating A321s out of LGW?

Not including TTIA and TTIB they have 4 more in the fleet, and 5 more on order, but maybe BA will take them off EZY's hands when the take over it complete? They may keep the existing 4 for the time being, and give the ordered one's to BA?

Not sure on that

Mark



Retrofitted Blended Winglets - The Future Is On The Wing
User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7854 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 3):
The 321 is payload and range restricted on routes like Sharm el Sheik or Gibraltar.

Don't know where you get your information but the A321 has a range of 3,000 miles, well within the 2,400 miles between LGW and SSH. GIB is only 1,066 miles and the A321 could do the outbound and inbound flight without refueling at GIB, although it might be too heavy for GIB's runway.

Be great if MON donated one of the 757s to Manchester AVP. It could replace the DC10 front section.



MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7811 times:

321 cannot be got out with a full payload out of Gibraltar, hence it is rarely used on that route.

User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7803 times:

I will miss G-MONB and G-MONE, they have been based at MAN this last summer, and have been tech free!! They have been a pleasure to work with!
Again as mentioned above, without the work of Monarch Engineering these workhorses may have withdrawn earlier!
Lets hope more 757's are on the way!

Mark



Retrofitted Blended Winglets - The Future Is On The Wing
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7803 times:

Yes lets. Can Samos or Mykonos be operated with a full 321?? The 757 can due to its excellent short field performance

User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7715 times:

It is quite possible that due to the age of the 757s and the maintenance they now require, that is has been determined to be more cost effective to operate payload reduced flights with the A321 as opposed to the 757.


No trees were harmed by this message. However, several million electrons were terribly inconvenienced
User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7710 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
I can see the reasoning. they likely have high cycles and are not as efficient as 757s built 10 years later.

Is this really true? If so why?

PurpleBox.



Next Flights:STH-ATH-STN (A3), BHX-INV-BHX(BE), LCY-FRA-BOG(LH), EZE-FRA-LHR(LH)
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7670 times:

Dont forget MON 757 are ETOPs qualified and for many years offered transatlantic/|Florida charters from regional airports like NCL. The 321 cant do that either!

User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

Sad to see that ZB are starting to get rid of the 757s, but it had to happen sometime.

Yes the A321 can replace the 757 on a few routes but not all of them. They may have the range for the longer short-haul routes but can they do it year round and more efficiently than the 757 plus with little to no compromise on payload? Definitely not on the GIB route at least.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 10):

Be great if MON donated one of the 757s to Manchester AVP. It could replace the DC10 front section.

Go one better and donate an entire airframe...if they have the space! Wink


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

Maybe with D checks, these birds can be sold to Fed Ex for conversion into freighters. Why part them out, when other carriers are scrambling for any 757s they can find.
Regards.



"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7632 times:

Talking of 757 disposals, Jethro's also has Thomsonfly's G-BYAF and G-BYAR for withdrawal in April (one of which to FedEx), but has it down as April 07???? And it also says that G-BYAJ will follow G-BYAN to TUIFly Nordic.

[Edited 2007-12-08 10:56:52]

User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1642 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7577 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 7):
Slightly out of date, but up to 31st December 2005,

G-MONB had accumulated 77319 hours
G-MONE had accumulated 75391 hours

Probably by now they have turned 80,000 hours, I would say the got their money’s worth from these 757’s


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7550 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 16):
Dont forget MON 757 are ETOPs qualified and for many years offered transatlantic/|Florida charters from regional airports like NCL. The 321 cant do that either!

Which may no longer fit in with Monarch's business plan, so there is no need to retain the 757s.

Plus they will have 787s for long-haul work in a few years.



No trees were harmed by this message. However, several million electrons were terribly inconvenienced
User currently offlineZuluTime From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7501 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 16):
Dont forget MON 757 are ETOPs qualified

Err no - by no means all of the fleet are ETOPS qualified. NB, NC and ND certainly aren't as they were never built with the ETOPS requirements including extra fire housing around the APU and wiring insulation. I'm not sure about G-MONE and G-DAJB but I seem to remember from my days in dispatch that both are heavy-weight aircraft (113 tonnes MTOW whereas NB/NC/ND are 108t) but not ETOPS. NJ and NK are heavyweight and ETOPS.


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2864 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7473 times:



Quoting Jetstar (Reply 20):
Probably by now they have turned 80,000 hours, I would say the got their money’s worth from these 757’s

No doubt about it.

I have been told, but didn't quote it earlier because I can't back it up, that NB has accumulated almost 85,000 hrs.

Shamu



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7450 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
The 321 wont serve as an appropriate replacement for Monarch 757s. GIB for example, this route is served by 757 and 321 cannot carry full payload from there. Same with some Greek destinations operated on charters.

Not really true - in my 3 years of working with the A321 I only recall a couple of occasions where takeoff performance was ever a problem, and I think both times were out of Bristol when the pressure was low. We did have some payload restrictions with the A321 when the range of the aircraft was pushed to it's limits but takeoff performance restrictions - almost never. The Greek Islands and Gibraltar are not a problem for the A321. Gibraltar is particularly problem-free for the A321 - it's sea level, has no obstacles on the climbout and isn't far from the UK.

With an increase in MTOW to 93T and the ACT the range of the A321 becomes far more comfortable with Egypt-UK sectors. MyTravel use the A321 on similar routes, seemingly without any major issues.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 10):
Don't know where you get your information but the A321 has a range of 3,000 miles, well within the 2,400 miles between LGW and SSH.

That range would probably be for a 93T MTOW aircraft with the ACT, and operating in a scheduled-airline configuration with approximately 180 seats.

Like all other airlines, Monarch has had the opportunity to renew their 757 fleet with newer examples, they chose not to. Between 2002 and 2005 First Choice Airways pretty much rolled-over their entire 757 fleet with newer aircraft, Monarch obviously have sound reasons for not doing so when they had the opportunity.

Regards
CROSSWIND


25 Orion737 : Thanks to Crosswind. I did feel sure those Egypt routes on a 220 seat charter configured 321 would be a bit long for the 321. I did though read that M
26 Jetset7E7 : G-MONE is not ETOPS G-MONB/NC/ND/NE are all non ETOPS G-DAJB/MONJ/NK are ETOPS Monarch only have 2 A321's configured to 220 G-MARA and G-OJEG, all th
27 ZuluTime : Thanks for the clarification Jetset 7E7. I wasn't far off! The A321 is completely inadequate for Egypt-UK. I lost count of the number of times where M
28 BlueShamu330s : To be fair, the aircraft does generally what it says on the box. It is the operators who are trying to make it into a 757, not necessarily Airbus. Sh
29 ZuluTime : I was led to believe that Airbus had tried to position the 321 as a 757 replacement, but they had admitted that it couldn't do 15-20% of the range or
30 Orion737 : I agree completley with you ZuluTime, so much so Im adding you to my respected users list. UK charter airlines have been reliant on 757s for years and
31 BlueShamu330s : Agreed. Airbus marketed the A321 as typical two-class seating capacity 185 seats with 16 in first class and 169 in economy, while the A321 single-cla
32 Post contains links and images Crosswind : I don't ever recall any operational issues with LOWI or LGSK with the A321. It's true that Cyprus-UK sectors occasionally required bags to be left be
33 Orion737 : Old but in a revival mode. Ask US carriers. UK charter airlines will struggle to find a succesor to the 757.
34 ZuluTime : The problem with the 757 is that it is destined to become an even older aircraft because nothing can replace it for a lot of the missions that it unde
35 ZuluTime : PS - the answer is for Airbus to offer an A322. Existing A321 fuselage (there's nothing wrong with the 321 fuselage) but bigger wing. The larger wing
36 Orion737 : I think an A332 would be a good idea and bring it on fast. Larger wing and more powerful powerplants to increase payload, field performance and range.
37 BlueShamu330s : So now we're going to throw millions into a redesign for what is, essentially, the small market of UK charter carriers...? They afterall are the only
38 Orion737 : I was with ZuluTime in dreaming! But really, there ought to be a 757 replacement available. US airlines demand them for transatlantic and IT carriers
39 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : I couldn't agree more !! But I do think it's just around the corner. I have a feeling (and many have flamed me in the past for it, so feel free !), t
40 Mhodgson : Perhaps why the 787 has been built?
41 Orion737 : A widebody to replace a single aisle aircraft. Think the 787 may be too much capacity for some airlines, especially configured in an all charter confi
42 BlueShamu330s : They said that when Britannia (sigh) went from an all B737-200 operator to operating the B762 and B757. The nay-sayers said they'd lose market share
43 Orion737 : But when they did switch to the 757, they often had to subcharter smaller aircraft such as the 320 and regional airports were served with Spanish/Turk
44 ZuluTime : The 787 is way too big for a 757 replacement for most operators with the 757. And I don't agree that it would need a fuselage redesign. The 321 is OK
45 BlueShamu330s : Absolutely, if Britannia can be faulted for anything, it would be for the fact that they dumped their 130 seaters too quickly. The market wasn't ready
46 Orion737 : High density holiday routes and longer hauls would suit the 787 but flights to small Greek airfields and winter sun destinations, I think it will be t
47 BlueShamu330s : But a 787-8 will seat 250 in one class config., won't it not? Is a 15 seat jump really a jump too far ?? Shamu
48 Orion737 : Ask the charter airlines or tour ops. Will the 787 carry more than 250 on charter airlines, particularly UK ones! many UK airlines wouldnt buy the sli
49 ZuluTime : Yes when you're already struggling because 233 is a bit too much. 220 on the A321 is actually a better fit for today's market, assuming that you can
50 Gilesdavies : Cummon guys, lets not get too upset that Monarch are getting the A321 in to replace these two old 757-200 birds... Monarch have been operating the A32
51 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : Hear Hear ! Shamu
52 OB1504 : Couldn't Airbus look at offering an A321ER? Not just to replace the 757, but also to compete with the 739ER.
53 Airbazar : Would the addition of winglets to the A321 be a possibility and would that make these "longer" routes less problematic? I know that winglets can be a
54 Boeing74741R : But look at them now! They've now got a fleet of 733s (which came about along with the 735s when TUI decided to form the original Thomsonfly as a LCC
55 Jmc757 : Indeed! I remember reading a few years back that Monarch had both the highest hours and highest cycle 757s. Not sure thats the case today, but it wou
56 Ikramerica : This is exactly right. The 757 is one of my favorite planes of all time, and it has no direct replacement (no the A321 and 739ER can't fully replace
57 Post contains images Gkirk : Hence why MON use, and fill, A330s from NCL-SFB P.S., you've got to mind on that one of MON's 757s is based at EDI, which can easily be replaced by a
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Monarch To Start Flights To Virginia From Kent! posted Wed Sep 20 2006 22:01:53 by Jetset7E7
Monarch Scheduled To Start LGW-GRX&LIS posted Wed Jan 19 2005 15:54:57 by Richardw
When Did United Start Flying 757s To Hawaii? posted Fri Aug 3 2001 02:49:53 by KonaB777
AF To Start Lyon - Budapest 19th June posted Sun May 6 2012 06:21:25 by kl911
MSY Numbers Up To Start '12 posted Thu Apr 26 2012 16:57:38 by MSYtristar
DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again) posted Tue Apr 24 2012 09:14:52 by panam330
Vision Airlines To Start LAX-SEA-ICN? posted Tue Apr 17 2012 19:30:22 by HOONS90
EasyJet To Start Manchester-Tel Aviv Route posted Tue Apr 17 2012 11:45:34 by santos
UA To Start SFO-RDU On 8/15 posted Wed Apr 11 2012 11:42:10 by TOMMY767
Iberia Express To Start 25 Mar With 4 Routes posted Fri Mar 23 2012 04:06:58 by Pe@rson