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Smoking In The Cockpit (Video)  
User currently offlineCakentennis From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

Apologies if it's a repost.

The F/A and F/O are both smoking cigarettes, no sign of the captain. Not sure what Airline it is. I'm slightly alarmed, but if the crew can light up in flight, why can't I ? So much for "All XYZ operated flights are non-smoking".



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5296 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12619 times:

I've just been on a cockpit visit a few weeks ago in Europe on a EU airline, and the captain was smoking, he offered me one, and one of the cabincrew came there later to smoke as well. He said it's up to the captains if they smoke or not.

Why be alarmed? It's not a safety thing, but a health thing. I loved it! ( 4.5 hours flight...  Smile )


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12536 times:

Smoking is banned on flights only in the US (and maybe some other countries). Most European countries allow it. Why do you think airplanes are still made with no-smoking signs that can be turned off?

User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12499 times:

In theory they can't in the UK anymore.. this is because we have the smoking ban which bans smoking in the workplace - and Pilots and F/A's work on planes meaning they can't smoke on them.

Thats if they even allowed it in the first place.

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3058 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12508 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 2):
Smoking is banned on flights only in the US (and maybe some other countries). Most European countries allow it.

HUH ...????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  wideeyed 

You're so way off the mark. Every European carrier is non-smoking down the back.

Shamu



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9804 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12422 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 2):
Why do you think airplanes are still made with no-smoking signs that can be turned off?

That's an airline choice. Mostly it is out of tradition. Some have swithed over to have blanks or signs indicating restrictions on operating electronics on board.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 4):
You're so way off the mark. Every European carrier is non-smoking down the back.

It wasn't that long ago that there were a few carriers that still allowed smoking. Air Berlin comes to mind. There are a few charter carriers that have recently allowed smoking. So while almost all airlines have banned smoking, I don't believe it is banned in all EU countries. The United States has banned smoking on all domestic flights and finally banned it on international flights a few years ago.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12364 times:

Apparently, none of you ever saw Skyjacked...I can't seem to find any images online, so you're just going to have to picture a scowling Charlton Heston puffing on a pipe at the helm of a stricken 707 yourself.  Wink  thumbsup 


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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12336 times:



Quoting Cakentennis (Thread starter):
no sign of the captain

Perhaps the captain is holding the camera?


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12184 times:

They say it's a 777-300/ER (77W). Now not to stereotype, but the pilots look to be of middle eastern origin.

EK or EY, perhaps?

-A



What now?
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12141 times:



Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 8):
EK or EY, perhaps?

Definitely can hear Arabic, the uniform looks like EY... so my guess is that its Etihad.



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12096 times:

They are flying over India,,, I wish i Could find a smokeing Airline ,,, the only one i can find that allows smokeing is cubana and maybe iran air,,, If i could find a smokeing airline especially one that does longhaul, id book a ticket tommorrow,, Instead i have to try and fly 4 or 5 hrs and change planes somewhere just to smoke,, Does anyone know of any airline and what routes allow smokeing left,,,, I even checked aeroflot willing to pay their prices but they have gone no smokeing


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12056 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
I've just been on a cockpit visit a few weeks ago in Europe on a EU airline

Prove it. PIctures or something to verify it please.

I do not believe you were in the cockpit of an airborn aircraft.

Hogwash.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12008 times:

The cockpit is exempt from smoking bans. Would you want your pilots stressed because they cannot smoke? As the last link between making your destination safely and being permanently remanded to the earth....the pilots are allowed this privilege.

User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12002 times:



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 11):

I have family members who work for EU airlines... you would be surprised how much cigarette smoking happens in the cockpit.


User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11950 times:



Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 12):
The cockpit is exempt from smoking bans. Would you want your pilots stressed because they cannot smoke?

I'd rather have a pilot that wasn't addicted to any drugs.

Before anyone brings it up, caffeine isn't so bad, as most aircraft have a ready supply of the stuff.


User currently offlineNycaross From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11877 times:

There is supposed to be an airline formed in Germany called "Smintair" or Smokers International Air. They have only one route which is DUS to NRT. I smoke and find flying less pleasurable that I cannot smoke but people can drink. I do not drink but I certainly would not impose no drinking on those who wish to drink. So why am I prohibited from smoking on a flight?

User currently offlineCPHGuard From Denmark, joined Jun 2006, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11855 times:



Quoting Nycaross (Reply 15):
So why am I prohibited from smoking on a flight?

Try and think about it for a second.

The alcohol vapors will not damage your health, but the cigarette smoke indeed will........


User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11819 times:

Yes i had looked that airline up awhile ago, but i could not tell if it had actually gone into service yet or not


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineCakentennis From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11732 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 7):
Perhaps the captain is holding the camera?

Nah, It's definitely the one guy who keeps making the faces.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 9):
so my guess is that its Etihad.

Yeah, that's my guess too.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 12):
The cockpit is exempt from smoking bans

Does that mean you can smoke pot inside a KLM cockpit ?  wideeyed 


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11688 times:

Although I'm a smoker, I'm actually glad there's no smoking on flights. It's just cleaner, and that first cig out of the airplane is so much more pleasurable.

I remember the 777 bunk area and always wondered whether flight attendants would smoke down there.

I wish more airports had smoking areas beyond security. We have one at MIA in concourse D and I remember IAD had one each in C and D (don't know if they're still there). I was really upset LHR had removed theirs. What other airports have them?


User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11615 times:



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 17):
Yes i had looked that airline up awhile ago, but i could not tell if it had actually gone into service yet or not

They won't... although they are trying!

http://smintair.com/

AF340 wave 


User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 803 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11598 times:

The video is somewhat unprofessional. Although it may not be against the law in the respective country, it may be against the airline's policy?

I've seen a pilot of a 738 smoking inside a cockpit whilst the aircraft was on the apron, I was rather surprised to see him flick his cigarette ash out of the window and onto the apron. - That's what I call irresponsible!

- RichM


User currently offlineSirDeath From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11497 times:

I thought the video might be of PK since they still allow smoking on routes except to/from the US and MAN

User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11462 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 2):
Smoking is banned on flights only in the US (and maybe some other countries). Most European countries allow it. Why do you think airplanes are still made with no-smoking signs that can be turned off?

Obviously you don't ever travel outside of the US. No smoking is the standard globally and certainly in Europe.

Quoting Nycaross (Reply 15):
I smoke and find flying less pleasurable that I cannot smoke but people can drink. I do not drink but I certainly would not impose no drinking on those who wish to drink. So why am I prohibited from smoking on a flight?

You really have to ask?


User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11438 times:



Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 19):
I remember the 777 bunk area and always wondered whether flight attendants would smoke down there.

I smoked in the 772 bunk area on an NZ flight.



Al Gore invented global warming.
25 YWGfarmer : You're worried about pilots who are addicted to nicotine? Wow. I could see such a comment in regards to cocaine or heroin, but cigarettes? Come on no
26 FlyASAGuy2005 : You seriously can't last without a light for a few hours? You rather have a stop than a non-stop so that you can light up? I'm not a smoker so I gues
27 Pilotboi : Okay, my mistake, I thought they were. So the global standard is no-smoking, but there are airlines out there that allow it.
28 Jpax : Last time I checked, a person drinking next to me isn't getting their dirty, deadly habit all over me, my clothes, and my personal belongings. Not to
29 Georgebush : Just running the risk of vomiting all over you, and you have to smell their breath! Thats why if my seat mate is gonna drink, I like to join in the f
30 SupraZachAir : Many airlines' policy is to have a FA go into the flightdeck while the Cpt. or FO uses the lav. I wouldn't stress to hard on the capt. not being ther
31 Post contains images KELPkid : Cigarrette smoke, in addition to being quite harmful to one's lungs, also does a number on avionics and flight instruments... One of the grossest jobs
32 OV735 : I wouldn't mind if the crew was smoking in the enroute cruising phase. Yea they ruin their health but that's their right. The reason why crew is allow
33 Post contains images Basefly : Well i for one would rather have an smoking crew than a drinking one......
34 FlyboyOz : By judging a cabin crew uniform, it's ethiad!
35 Georgebush : That makes two of us.
36 SupraZachAir : Haha, good call!
37 Post contains images WILCO737 : I thought every pilot is addicted to cigarettes AND alcohol... isnt that a requirement? Oh, and not to forget the addiction to female F/As WILCO737 (M
38 Post contains links and images Emrecan : Pilots are not robots, if they need they can smoke in the cockpit. Noone can say smoking of a pilot is a danger for a flight. I like this kind of vide
39 Post contains images WILCO737 : THIS video is for sure NOT the typical way we act in a cockpit!!!!! I was shocked when I saw this video how the F/O behaves there! Captain not there,
40 Post contains images Emrecan : I think also you must thank to him that he shows their behaviours I hope you will also post a video from your cockpit, it would be great to see an MD
41 Post contains images WILCO737 : And then you can see us in Hard Rock Cafe Tshirts and shorts and sneakers and smoking with a bottle of beer in the hand, windows open WILCO737 (MD11F
42 Post contains images Marcg11 : Sounds like my last flight (on Microsoft Flight Simulator) - except for the open window part....
43 Georgebush : And some sexy ladies I hope as well! Not that a bunch of drunk smokin' dudes isn't sexy enough....
44 Post contains images WILCO737 : Just open the window of your room, switch on the ventilator on FULL POWER and you have the same feeling Of course some sexy ladies as well... you kno
45 N1120A : Because I don't want you to kill me. Actually, yes. It significantly increases the chances they will have a coronary at the controls. Not many, and n
46 Post contains images WILCO737 : When you are worried about that, then you should stop flying as passenger... Many pilots smoke... But I dont! And I intend to keep it that way WILCO7
47 Post contains images N1120A : Wenn = If. Wann = When. I'm not all that worried about it, I was just making the point. As far as you smoking Phil, I know that. Then again, I don't
48 HAWK21M : Which Airline is this. regds MEL
49 Post contains images WILCO737 : ARGH, yeah well, typical German mistake Even we have NO SMOKING signs WILCO737 (MD11F)
50 Analog : I made that comment, not Nycaross; the "Quote Selected Text" is somewhat dangerous... Anyways, plenty of more benign (but helpful) drugs are banned f
51 Lostmoon744 : Joh. Considering nicotine is a narcotic (kinda like cocaine and heroin), yeah... I can see how it can worry some people.
52 GrahamHill : The smoke is extremely annoying and spreads all across the aircraft. Unless companies build two distinct parts in their aircrafts, a smoking and non-
53 Post contains images Swissy : Here we are singing the "smoking" song......... first "life" on its own is deadly..... , some people (pilots too) choose to smoke no big deal, so they
54 Analog : Do cockpits have ashtrays and cigarette lighters? If not, where do the ashes go, and how do you light a cigarette (without starting another fire)? Nic
55 Post contains images ZakHH : Good! I don't want my precious cargo to stink from smoke! (Note to myself: make smell check next time, just in case ) Should we start a "Things The C
56 Sevenair : You know you have it bad when you need to do things like this!!
57 GrahamHill : I guess they can bring their own ashtray. Portable ashtray, maybe?
58 LH526 : Pretty mucn answered what Nicotine can do to a human being![Edited 2007-12-10 07:18:16]
59 Post contains images Swissy : Same here, I smoke only outside, never in my house, car....... enjoy a smoke at the airport (special room) just before taking a flight but I never re
60 Post contains links Analog : Like this one? More of these (Japanese anti-smoking signs)
61 GrahamHill : Nice... and so true!
62 Lewis : If you are a smoker you can make an ashtray out of anything (ie. a plastic cup with a bit of water, that's what I used to see on OA flights). You can
63 Barney Captain : A few thoughts; 1. Cockpits do (at least the 737) have ashtrays. No lighters though. 2. WN allowed smoking in the cockpit up until the mid 90's. Rumor
64 Post contains links and images Analog : I'll admit it's not really a danger, but I imagine that there are rules against starting fires in the cockpit. Try slipping one of these into a pilot
65 YWGfarmer : Oops. Sorry... I don't post much.
66 Mandala499 : I'm a smoker and I don't like smoking cabins... I prefer non-smoking flights... but I do love smoking in the cockpit... One thing I don't like is seei
67 474218 : When was the last time either one of you ever saw a person smoke so many cigarettes that the pissed them selves of became belligerent with the flight
68 Post contains images ACDC8 : Thanks! That was by far the funniest post I've read in a long time, the dumbest as well. I smoke, but I'm glad the airlines are (for the most part) n
69 Post contains images G-CIVP : On the face of it, not the most professional outfit. However, smoking on the flightdeck may be permitted from airline to airline depending on their SO
70 Post contains images ACDC8 : Because they know everything better than everyone else ...
71 KL911 : I don't care if you believe it or not. I was there, I know the crew, I fly the route more often in the future, so I will not post any more details. I
72 ACDC8 : Agreed. I just love how some people seem to think that their experiences are more credible then other peoples experiences. Why should you have to pro
73 Cakentennis : When I started the thread, my intentions were far from moral. I used the words 'slightly alarmed' to try and divert interpretation from a moral sub-c
74 Post contains images Swissy : Based on the history (I know) I must say considering so many pax/crew smoked for 60,70,80 years in aviation very little happen (safety related)......
75 G-CIVP : Cakentennis - on a quick read, your initial post comes across moralistic as you comment "I'm slightly alarmed". The lack of Captain implies 'all hell
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