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7 Years Still 1 Flight JFK-SLC On B6: Why?  
User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1947 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4958 times:
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Its been 7 years since Jetblue started flying from JFK to Salt Lake and the return is still a redeye, Why? I go to this conference in SLC every year and for me the redeye is horrible because I can't sleep on planes. For the past 2 years, I've been having to do SLC-DEN on Frontier overnight in DEN and DEN-JFK on Jetblue in the morning. (I overnight because I don't want to risk a misconnect)

JetBlue To Launch Service Between JFK & Salt Lake (by Pilot1113 Sep 6 2000 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2007-12-09 14:37:24]


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

DL has multiple flights to JFK from SLC that limit B6's chances of having more than one successful flight. Speaking of which, you could take one of DL's daytime flights, problem solved. No need to limit yourself to one carrier.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4019 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4811 times:



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
DL has multiple flights to JFK from SLC

4x to be specific; 1003 @0650 (752), 155 @1500 (738), 85 @1640 (752) & 1581 @1915 (73H). Much more of a real option than B6.



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User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4805 times:
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Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
Speaking of which, you could take one of DL's daytime flights, problem solved. No need to limit yourself to one carrier.

Yeah, pretty much I have to, being tall, I need the extra legroom. I realize that Delta's new long haul has 33" inches of legroom which is the lower end of what is comfortable based on my experiences with Frontier but the front of the aircraft only has 31" If I were to loose my seat assignment, it would be a pretty long 5 hours back to JFK. On Jetblue I'm guaranteed 34" and may even have 36" inches. Being that first class is not in my future, I pretty much have to stick with Jetblue.

I figured Delta had something to do with it, though I wish they (B6) would change the return flight something other than 11pm departure, but with the prospect of slot control at JFK, that isn't too likely

As for SLCs comment on DL being the only "real" option, while the timing is nice, but the legroom is not. So for me B6 is the only "real" option.

[Edited 2007-12-09 15:36:22]


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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4780 times:



Quoting JerseyGuy (Thread starter):
, Why? I go to this conference in SLC every year and for me the redeye is horrible because I can't sleep on planes.

Hey man, just to let you know... So you don't have to overnight in DEN, JetBlue has a SLC-LGB-JFK itinerary this gets you there all in the same day. You leave SLC at 6:05AM and get to LGB at 7:05AM. Then you change planes in LGB at 8:55AM and then get to JFK at 5:08PM. I know that the times might not be desirable, but it helps that you don't have to overnight in DEN. Just thought I would let you know.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4760 times:



Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 3):

Are you a frequent flier? If you are a frequent flier you can switch your program to Delta's, become a medallion, then get complimentary upgrades...



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4666 times:
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Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 4):
Hey man, just to let you know... So you don't have to overnight in DEN, JetBlue has a SLC-LGB-JFK itinerary this gets you there all in the same day. You leave SLC at 6:05AM and get to LGB at 7:05AM. Then you change planes in LGB at 8:55AM and then get to JFK at 5:08PM. I know that the times might not be desirable, but it helps that you don't have to overnight in DEN. Just thought I would let you know.

Thanks, I am already aware of that, I've considered that option but this way is less time flying and the times are better.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 5):
Are you a frequent flier? If you are a frequent flier you can switch your program to Delta's, become a medallion, then get complimentary upgrades...

Nope, Not a frequent flyer.



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2999 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4632 times:



Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 6):
Nope, Not a frequent flyer.

Then you don't really need to limit yourself to one carrier. One flight to SLC a year is fine. An inch or two won't hurt. Jetblue has trouble with more than one route from JFK because of DL. Maybe in the future we will see another flight, if they can handle it. There are many carriers that can give you a better time schedule. A 4 hour flight with a difference of 2 inches of room once a year is fine.

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User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4588 times:
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Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 7):
Then you don't really need to limit yourself to one carrier. One flight to SLC a year is fine. An inch or two won't hurt. Jetblue has trouble with more than one route from JFK because of DL. Maybe in the future we will see another flight, if they can handle it. There are many carriers that can give you a better time schedule. A 4 hour flight with a difference of 2 inches of room once a year is fine.


Maybe for you legroom isn't a factor, but for me it is.

[Edited 2007-12-09 17:14:38]


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User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1458 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 3):
Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
Speaking of which, you could take one of DL's daytime flights, problem solved. No need to limit yourself to one carrier.

Yeah, pretty much I have to, being tall, I need the extra legroom. I realize that Delta's new long haul has 33" inches of legroom which is the lower end of what is comfortable based on my experiences with Frontier but the front of the aircraft only has 31" If I were to loose my seat assignment, it would be a pretty long 5 hours back to JFK. On Jetblue I'm guaranteed 34" and may even have 36" inches. Being that first class is not in my future, I pretty much have to stick with Jetblue.

I figured Delta had something to do with it, though I wish they (B6) would change the return flight something other than 11pm departure, but with the prospect of slot control at JFK, that isn't too likely

As for SLCs comment on DL being the only "real" option, while the timing is nice, but the legroom is not. So for me B6 is the only "real" option.

I'm 6'3" and I did fine with 33" but that just me. DL's 752 was comfortable with the new leather seats thats my main problem is if the seats not comfortable then the rest dont matter. But for you maybe seat pitch is that important. Of course you may not be guaranteed the 36" seats on B6 keep that in mind. Another idea and I've done this one is to get a exit row seat with no seat in front of you all the legroom you can handle.

The moral of the story for me a inch or two of seat pitch I dont even notice and I have long legs.

BTW here's a comparisen of different carriers. http://www.seatguru.com/charts/domestic_economy.php

[Edited 2007-12-09 17:19:11]

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

Stop drinking the JetBlue Koolaid. There's more than one airline out there. You have a choice of airlines, make a better choice than JetBlue for your annual trip. If an airline can't get you there at a convenient time, look for another airline. It may be a few bucks extra, but isn't your time worth it??? Spending money on a hotel room in Denver!? That's a friggin' waste of money. Fly to IAD or ORD and take United's Economy Plus (ExPlus on its RJs)....lots of legroom....to SLC. In my mind, you're being silly.
[Edited 2007-12-09 17:19:38]

[Edited 2007-12-09 17:24:14]

User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5284 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

I'm 5'9" so maybe I don't understand... but I can't usually sleep on planes either, and I'd *way* rather have a little less room and use a daylight flight. Plus, the one thing the legacies really have going for them is that their frequent flyer programs are much better. If I were you I'd switch to DL.

If you get yourself FF status, you'll get upgrades from time to time. Failing that, you'll be able to get bulkheads, exit rows, or any other seats where there happens to be a little more room. I'm MVP -- not even MVPG! -- on AS and I haven't sat anywhere but F or a bulkhead row in years.



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User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4487 times:
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Quoting Mike89406 (Reply 9):
I'm 6'3" and I did fine with 33" but that just me. DL's 752 was comfortable with the new leather seats thats my main problem is if the seats not comfortable then the rest dont matter. But for you maybe seat pitch is that important. Of course you may not be guaranteed the 36" seats on B6 keep that in mind. Another idea and I've done this one is to get a exit row seat with no seat in front of you all the legroom you can handle.

Yeah 33" inches is fine, anything less than that is uncomfortable for me. So, I worry about losing my seat assignment in the back and having less or if my plane is replaced by another plane without the extra legroom.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 10):
Stop drinking the JetBlue Koolaid. There's more than one airline out there. You have a choice of airlines, make a better choice than JetBlue for your annual trip. If an airline can't get you there at a convenient time, look for another airline. It may be a few bucks extra, but isn't your time worth it???

I have looked for another airline, none of them can guarantee me enough legroom to be comfortable other than Jetblue. I guess Delta can offer me a reasonable chance that I will get enough legroom, so I will consider trying them for the SLC-JFK portion of my trip this year. But I have till September so maybe by then Jetblue will offer me another flight.



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

Give me a break. Lots of tall people fly other airlines. I'm 6'2". It's only a 4 hour flight. You'll live. Try United and pay for Economy Plus with a more convenient schedule. When it's all said and done, it's just an airplane ride. Get over it.

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 12):
I worry about losing my seat assignment in the back and having less or if my plane is replaced by another plane without the extra legroom

Worry about Hillary becoming President or the Mets' chances for next year, but this concern of yours, is, well, manic.  Wink


User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4440 times:
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Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 10):
Spending money on a hotel room in Denver!? That's a friggin' waste of money. Fly to IAD or ORD and take United's Economy Plus (ExPlus on its RJs)....lots of legroom....to SLC. In my mind, you're being silly.

Yeah, I could fork over $349 for a years worth of economy plus access, so I don't have to pay $50 bucks for a priceline room at DEN. If I were a frequent flyer, I would definately look into that, but being that I only fly 2-3 times a year tops and I don't always have to get a room, I think this is a better deal.



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User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4421 times:
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Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 13):
Worry about Hillary becoming President or the Mets' chances for next year

Actually, I do worry about those things.


Bicoastal (Reply 13):
Its just an airplane ride


I guess when you don't have the Jetblue expierence it is just another plane ride  Big grin

[Edited 2007-12-09 17:43:43]


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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4413 times:



Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 14):
Yeah, I could fork over $349 for a years worth of economy plus access

You don't have to buy a year's worth. You can buy per flight and even per leg. For a flight from JFK, it'll only cost you about $40 bucks or less for Economy Plus.


User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

You're willing to overnight in DEN but not buy a first class ticket?

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4394 times:



Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 15):
I guess when you don't have the Jetblue expierence it is just another plane ride

Yes, I read books and can't stand the boob-tube/PTV!
 Big grin


User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4396 times:
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Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 16):
You don't have to buy a year's worth. You can buy per flight and even per leg. For a flight from JFK, it'll only cost you about $40 bucks or less for Economy Plus.

Yeah, but I can only purchase it at Check-in after all the elites who didn't get their first class upgrades get it then who knows if it will be available, and did I mention I'm overweight, not POS overwieght but enough so middle seats are extra uncomfortable to me.



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4370 times:



Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 19):
Yeah, but I can only purchase it at Check-in after all the elites who didn't get their first class upgrades get it then who knows if it will be available, and did I mention I'm overweight, not POS overwieght but enough so middle seats are extra uncomfortable to me.

Ok, that's it. If you are so hell bent on flying Jet Blue, why'd you even start this thread? Have a great flight and hotel stay in Denver.
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User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4344 times:
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Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 17):
You're willing to overnight in DEN but not buy a first class ticket?

Yep, I would rather spend $550 ($350 on the ticket, $100 for the hotel in DEN and $75-100 on the SLC-DEN ticket) then $1500 for a first class seat. The extra day off doesn't cost me anything because I never use up all my vacation days.



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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 591 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4328 times:
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Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 4):

Sounds like a more feasible option for the OP economics-wise. Why spend the extra money flying on another carrier, and run hotel charge overnight, when you can do a same day? Is that not more sensible for the bucks?

I guess it depends whether the OP has priority set on schedule or price. If he doesn't mind paying the extra, by all means, but for the price, why incur more charges? My 2 cents.



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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4292 times:



Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 21):
Yep, I would rather spend $550 ($350 on the ticket, $100 for the hotel in DEN and $75-100 on the SLC-DEN ticket) then $1500 for a first class seat. The extra day off doesn't cost me anything because I never use up all my vacation days.

Well, if you can find that great of a hotel deal it make sense to you. I guess I'd prefer to pick up an exit row on a non-stop or online connection.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

Hold the phone. How tall are you in the first place?


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
25 Mike89406 : There are a few DL 777 flights JFK-ATL then connect ATL-SLC on a 767 the 767's are usually roomy despite what the seat pitch lists try booking early a
26 Post contains images JetBlueAUS : While, JetBlue is my carrier of choice I think you should give Delta a try. Try and get a safety exit row on a 757-200, and I'm sure you'll have a lo
27 Post contains images JerseyGuy : 6'4 Hey all I wanted to know is why Jetblue didn't have more than 1 flight in 7 years. I wasn't asking about what I should do about it. Well, I would
28 Surfpunk : I would have to suggest that since DL has a hub/focus city at both ends of your trip, and can feed much more traffic to their flights, one-a-day is ab
29 LGAtoIND : I have said on here several times that I think *in the winter* a daylight JFK-SLC flight would do quite well for JetBlue. There is lots of very high y
30 XJRamper : I didn't bother reading the rest of the thread to see how tall you are (if you said it) but I am 6'7" and have no problem whatsoever on DL with leg r
31 SpencerII : So if you're so content with B6, then why question their scheduling etc. Byt he wya they have a less than stellar revenue load factor on their to/fro
32 BooDog : When you hit the 6'4" and above area (I'm 6'5") then you know as well as JerseyGuy and I do that every single freakin' inch of legroom is a HUGE fact
33 Incitatus : There is just not a lot of traffic in Salt Lake City and Delta gets the bulk of what is there. Looking at US metro areas with similarly sized economie
34 N270ft : Its a good job that you're not in Europe. 31'' is the standard here and thats only the legacies!! We don't have LCC's like B6 AW
35 JetBluefan1 : Is there any chance you can do a SLC-SFO/SAN/BUR-JFK run? With SLC growing as a B6 station, I think there is a chance for a daytime JFK flight. SLC-LG
36 JerseyGuy : First off, the whole Jetblue experience comment was a joke, and secondly, besides there schedule into SLC, I love B6 And thats one reason I hate Ryan
37 JerseyGuy : I just looked at that one and that would be perfect (ok a nonstop SLC-JFK daytime would be perfect) for me if they extended it to 7 days a week. .[Ed
38 JetBluefan1 : Maybe they will if the Saturday-only flight does well. LGB-SLC has always been a good performer, so this could likely happen. JetBluefan1
39 AlexPorter : Hmm, I know you can't sleep on planes, but couldn't you take the red-eye anyway, watch the IFE, and take the next day off to sleep? If you stay overn
40 Dc-9-10 : OK I will give my ideas on the actual question asked. I am guessing the market between NYC and SLC is not exactly bursting at the moment. I mean can y
41 Fanoftristars : Huh??? Don't forget DL also has two fights a day to Newark, so six total to NYC from SLC.
42 LGAtoIND : Yes, during ski season plenty of New Yorkers say this. Yes, NYC is only the financial capital of the world.
43 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Umm, yeah sure, I mean we all know that folks in Salt Lake City would never consider visiting such unimportant things like the Statue of Liberty, Cen
44 SpencerII : iT'S JUST YOU! How often do you get out of Grand Forks ND?
45 Dc-9-10 : I am kidding and also serious in a way, I am not saying the demand is 0, instead I am saying the demand between SLC and NYC is not as healthy as say
46 AA767400 : And hopefully not get hit with the cart in the aisle.........
47 Evan767 : Holy hell guys, chill out. What are your problems? The guy just stated his opinion for crying out loud and he backed that up by saying, "maybe it's j
48 OA412 : And they were just stating their opinions! Frankly, his comment was ridiculous to begin with seeing as there is a great deal of O/D between SLC and N
49 N1120A : Or you can fork over not much more and get a year's worth of Premier status and still have Y+ access
50 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : nyc-slc is a huge tourist route both directions. have you ever been to either city they are huge tourist destinations i dont understand your logic as
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