KarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2944 posts, RR: 9 Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7440 times:
I am kind of surprised to see this news. I didn't think USAirways had the money to do this. Do any of you feel that their aircraft needed a refurbishing or should they do this just to keep up with JetBlue or..............................?
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7411 times:
I think they need to get their HUGE labor issues resolved before they do anything else, but that's just me.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2603 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7390 times:
Well this takes care of all the deferred maintenance through the past two bankruptcies. Good to hear the Sand Castle still has a little bit of sense when it comes to the hard product. Now if they could only get rid of those damned tray table ads, then they'd be on a roll!
Chumley From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7342 times:
"Kirby said the airline also wants to upgrade meals, offering better food, wine and other amenities."
I assume this is for first/business classes?
How could they possibly improve the outstanding $7 snack box I so enjoyed on my last 6-hour cattle-class journey JFK-PHX?
(sarcasm)
Silentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1665 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7332 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1): I think they need to get their HUGE labor issues resolved before they do anything else, but that's just me.
There isn't much they can do to force the seniority issue as it's completely out of their hands and there won't be a new contract before that happens.
CMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 403 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7315 times:
Yes, they definitely need to be spending this money on their interiors. I haven't flown America West since they started the merger process, but used to fly them all of the time when I lived in the west. The interiors were HORRIBLE, unless you got lucky enough to fly on a new Airbus... which I never was lucky enough.
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7504 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7290 times:
Good news but modest. Leather seat covers across all fleets, and maybe new First chairs. That would be about it... at a quarter-million per jet, or so.
Sh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7218 times:
300 planes and 50 million? Thats less than the price of 1 new A320. Seems like too small a sum to really make a difference. They should spend a few hundred million. But what can you expect from Americas biggest LCC.
Whappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1560 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6936 times:
Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 7): 300 planes and 50 million? Thats less than the price of 1 new A320. Seems like too small a sum to really make a difference. They should spend a few hundred million. But what can you expect from Americas biggest LCC.
WhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 604 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6807 times:
Let's see, my last two flights on US, have taken 21 and 22 hours respectively, to go from the East Coast to Fresno. Granted, the ex-US 757 interior, TPA-LAS, needed work. The ex-AWA 319, LAS-FAT, was in great shape and who cares if the AWA logo is everywhere? I'd take a beaten up ex--US 757 if the damn thing would simply fly.
USAirways needs to put their dollars into flying, not the interior of the planes. Don't they listen to the horror stories of passengers who "will not" travel through certain hubs due to the reliability (or lack thereof)? How about all of the crews who time out due to mechanicals leaving passengers stranded at CLT and not a hotel room in sight?
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6651 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1): I think they need to get their HUGE labor issues resolved before they do anything else, but that's just me.
This is a company with tens of thousands of people working there. I think they can do more than one thing at once.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6556 times:
Quoting Silentbob (Reply 4): There isn't much they can do to force the seniority issue as it's completely out of their hands and there won't be a new contract before that happens.
That's what I meant. One these interior retrofits happen, the pilots are going to whine and bitch by saying "You had $50M to spare and didn't want to pay us?!"
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10): I think they can do more than one thing at once.
I agree with you, I never debated that. The only thing I fear is the unions will bitch and moan about spending money on this rather than having the money go to them. I'm only speculating this, not saying it will happen for sure. But given the reputation the East folks have at the monent..... you get the idea....
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6529 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11): pilots are going to whine and bitch by saying "You had $50M to spare and didn't want to pay us?
As I always like to say, fire them. I am sure there are a lot of regional pilots that would love to bump over to the E190.
Silentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1665 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6349 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11): That's what I meant. One these interior retrofits happen, the pilots are going to whine and bitch by saying "You had $50M to spare and didn't want to pay us?!"
They're going to bitch about something anyway, might as well try and take care of your passengers a bit better.
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 12): As I always like to say, fire them. I am sure there are a lot of regional pilots that would love to bump over to the E190.
If only that were possible. Between the lowered pay rates and dumping the troublemakers, the airline would improve substantially.
Jmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3165 posts, RR: 17 Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6120 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11): That's what I meant. One these interior retrofits happen, the pilots are going to whine and bitch by saying "You had $50M to spare and didn't want to pay us?!"
The interiors simply need to be replaced to enhance customer perception. Heck, they should also replace the whining pilots too and achieve the same goal!
Mah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 499 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6028 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11): That's what I meant. One these interior retrofits happen, the pilots are going to whine and bitch by saying "You had $50M to spare and didn't want to pay us?!"
The pilots may complain, but I can guarantee you that they aren't going anywhere. Nice to see they're upgrading but I'm sure it'll take several years.
Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5095 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5885 times:
Quoting Chumley (Reply 3): How could they possibly improve the outstanding $7 snack box I so enjoyed on my last 6-hour cattle-class journey JFK-PHX
Yeh sucks huh, maybe you should have travelled AA, who would have given you umm lets see, a similar service on a similar route? Seems like pretty standard service for the USA.
Needless to say, if US decides to change such policy I am sure it would be welcomed. As far as the interiors are concerned, if they change the seat covers, it would make a HUGE difference. Good to see they are doing something.
ManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1193 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5429 times:
Good news and well needed. I flew a US Airways (West) 733 from SAN-LAS over the weekend and the interior was in pretty bad shape. However I suppose the 737s won't get updated as I guess they won't be sticking around? I've flown other US Airways aircraft that weren't quite so bad but they all look very tatty, even the A330s to an extent.
RB211TriStar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5053 times:
THIS ARTICLE indicates more improvements than just leather seats... but at $168k avail per plane, I don't see that happening. Did I do the math right?
Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 7): 300 planes and 50 million? Thats less than the price of 1 new A320. Seems like too small a sum to really make a difference. They should spend a few hundred million. But what can you expect from Americas biggest LCC.
I guess its what their cash flow allowed. But I agree... roll out a nice product at a later date vs. more cheap crap now.
Sxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1228 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4907 times:
Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 19): THIS ARTICLE indicates more improvements than just leather seats... but at $168k avail per plane, I don't see that happening. Did I do the math right?
There will also be new carpet and bulkhead coverings.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6539 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4854 times:
It's about damn time!!!! Any of you guys flown on one of their 737 classics recently? I had bought the little $50 upgrade as there was one empty seat left. The seats seemed so damn retro like frrom the 80's. DIRT (not dust DIRT) all over the cracks of the seat and along the window lining. I was in 1F and and the carpet on the wall was stained. IDK but the whole thing looked pretty dingy and nasty.
CAM2:"Lightning coming out of that one." CAM1: "What?"
SkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 339 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3977 times:
I see this as just another quick fix for an airline that can never seem to catch-up with the times. Can't they take their time to do things once and do it right? Nobody is perfect but US Airways has been a subpar service oriented.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21041 posts, RR: 60 Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3882 times:
Quoting Whappeh (Reply 8): It seems reasonable to me when you do the math.
No, it doesn't.
Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 19): but at $168k avail per plane, I don't see that happening. Did I do the math right?
Yep. That's about $1000-$1500 per seat. Can't do much with that, really. AVOD? Probably. New seat? Maybe. Both? No.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Davescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3609 times:
I'm on USA ELP -- PHX, scheduled to be an Airbus (currently, used to be sheduled to be a 737). As I"m in F, I'll be interested to see what update (if any since I last flew them some years ago) and more importantly -- can I have my Jack and Coke????
Dave
Can I have a mojito on this flight?
25 ScottB: 1. US Airways is not an LCC if one assumes LCC means low-cost carrier. US's 3rd quarter 2007 mainline CASM was 11.11 cents. Delta's 3rd quarter 2007
26 RB211TriStar: Oddly enough, I've had much better experiences on US recently than I have on either UA or AC. Its all luck of the draw I guess. Its obvious that US is
27 FlyASAGuy2005: WELL behind. I'm just glad that Delta started making their mods when they did. I can honestly say that their fleet is pretty darn up to par if you as
28 Jmc1975: Ummm...isn't that what this thread is about?
29 AGRflyer: I was flying FRA-CLT-PHL-ZRH in Envoy last week. The service from the crew was on all flights very nice and friendly. Food was actually very good, esp
30 N1120A: They are profitable and leather seats will end up saving more than they cost. They could use a freshening. Which makes all kinds of economic sense. I
31 Transpac787: Yes, that would solve a lot And commit career suicide in doing so??? Lowered pay rates?? Troublemakers?? Oversimplification?? Yes. Excellent point.
32 AirframeAS: Off topic, but how is a pilot wanting to better himself to go to a bigger aircraft a career suicide? Explain.
33 Transpac787: In the given hypothetical situation, any pilot who was hired to replace pilots from any mass termination would be considered scabs by ALPA (think Con
34 Flighty: I agree. Isn't it remarkable that the airline business is reluctant to spend $1000 on a seat that generates $1000 every single DAY for YEARS on end..
35 Silentbob: Aren't just about all posts here simplified? In any case, a full exploration of any point is likely to go off topic and certainly ignored by the thir
36 PSA727: I'd like to work for the hotel company that's going to spend that much in renovations. Unless they're completley gutting a 1,000 room 5-star hotel, m
37 Whappeh: How soon can they unload them though? They aren't getting enough 190s to replace the 737s anytime soon, and aren't the 400s staying in the fleet for
38 Jmc1975: Don't expect the 737s to be redone...especially with AVOD...they are going away over the next 3-4 years as are some older 757s. The E-190s so far hav
39 N757ST: First off, US Air pilots have not crossed a picket line. Secondly, they are currently ALPA. US Airways pilots are not scabs, therefore if they felt t
40 Cactusmurf: Just had one of the planes with the new interior come through this morning. An A320, N657AW had new dark blue leather seat covers, but the same seats.
41 KELPkid: Whoa, ELP getting an Airbus? THAT'S news!!! Probably the first A32X-series flight ever scheduled to/from ELP HP had been threatening to do that for y
42 Flighty: Your post is full of true points. US has the most senior flight staff in the world. As they retire, US becomes one of the greatest opportunities for
43 Flighty: Yeah, I was talking more about large hotels. They're frequently in the tens of millions, and as you say, every 10 years a renovation is pretty mandat
44 Transpac787: Wow. I'm nearly speechless. Did you read ANYTHING I said, or ANY part of the posts I was quoting?? Obviously not. I will now take this opportunity to
45 United319: I flew US MSY-PHL-AMS in first/envoy on all legs accept AMS-PHL, I was very impressed with the service they had to offer. The envoy seats were certai
46 KSYR: I actually don't have a problem with the 737 classic seats on US Airways. Sure, they are a bit dated, but their comfort more than makes up for it. The
47 N757ST: Sorry, I did not see his post to fire them, only yours, so yes, you are right that flying scabbed work would be career suicide, no union would allow
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