Eghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4897 times:
These are the routes they operate Dorniers on, so I would assume they could use Dash 8-400s on the same routes.
Dortmund-Berlin Tegel: 3x daily Do228-200 service (replacing earlier Tempelhof service by LGW)
Dortmund-Stuttgart: 3x weekdaily Do228-200 service
Dusseldorf-Hanover: 5x daily Do228-200 service
Dusseldorf-Saarbruecken: 4x daily Do228-200 service
I would think they could use mainline jets from HAM-SXF. Pan Am used to run A300's on similar routes in the 1980's and the traffic should have grown since then.
Thomas_Jaeger From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4861 times:
There is absolutely no point in HAM-BER services unless they serve as feeder flights considering the high speed railway link between the two cities. I do not think AB can generate enough connection traffic via TXL just yet to justify such flights.
Viscount724 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4763 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 3): The trains takes 90 minutes city center to almost city center Berlin. There is absolutely no point for an air service between these cities.
There hasn't been any air service between Hamburg and Berlin for a few years, since the high speed rail service began. My first of many flights on Pan Am was on a 727-100 HAM-THF in 1970 when LH wasn't permitted to serve Berlin.
PanHAM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4737 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
There hasn't been any air service between Hamburg and Berlin for a few years, since the high speed rail service began. My first of many flights on Pan Am was on a 727-100 HAM-THF in 1970 when LH wasn't permitted to serve Ber
LH operated 2 or 3 flights a day in the early 90s and they ceased those operations long before the HSR rail started.
As you can see from my name, I have some relation to Hamburg and I have not only flown PA 727-100s and 200s but also BEA Bac 1-11-500s and Viscounts on that route.
As far as I can tell you there is no confirmation yet. But I would love if the rumor comes true. With 737s, A320s and the new regional aircraft such as the Ejet, CSeries, Superjet and MRJ all looking very much the same it is good to see some aircraft that sticks out of the rest. Also a prop is much more environmental friendly as a jet.
ZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4519 times:
Quoting Finkenwerder (Reply 7): 2. The rail link is 2 hours min most days, it's expensive for business travelers the service is sketchy and recently subject to union disruption.
The overall travelling time to Berlin will not decrease when flying (unless you live / work right next to the airport, maybe). Flying is usually not cheaper (unless you book some time in advance, but then railways also offers discounts). Service on inner-German flights is close to non-existent (let alone for a free newspaper and a tiny soft drink, maybe). And the union strike is practically over.
I am certainly not a fan of Deutsche Bahn, but there is absolutely no need for an air link between HAM and Berlin these days.
PanHAM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4469 times:
There is at least one ICE train per hour and an additional EC or ICE train almost every hour between HAM and BER.
1st class unrestricted is Euro 104,00 for ICE and 82,00 for EC train and second class unrestricted is Euro 65,00 / 52,00, all one way. Douible for return and if you have a Bahncard it is 50% of the above.
There are advance booking offers available. Even the full fare first class unrestricted without Bahncard could not be matched by an airline. I am an advocate of air travel, but where rail has a better product, I use it.
No need for any kind of air service on that route, even after SXF will eventually be the sole airport forBerlin. The line gpoing from HAM comntinues via Berlin to Dresden or Leipzig and will call in SXF. Add about 20 minutes to the Main station times and you arrive at about 2 hours transit time.
Finkenwerder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4326 times:
I have used the 1st class ICE Hamburg Berlin twice a week for last 3 years....It's NOT THAT GOOD ! It's a pain to find a seat ! and it is expensive.
If WOW can charge 60 Quid return BRS to PLH which has very low business numbers, I'm sure AB or someone could do the same HAM SXF I'm inclined to think it's German lack of initiative thats holding it back.
Vfw614 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3678 times:
PLH-BRS is not a standalone product. The PLH-BRS flight meets the NQY-BRS flight and continues to MAN, while the other flight goes to LBA. So three reasons for these flights that do not apply for HAM-SXF:
- BRS being a stop, not the end destination, with most passengers not travelling to BRS
- BRS being part of a mini-hub to destinations that otherwise are not served from PLH and NQY
- BRS being necessary as a stop because of runway limitations at PLH.
But now back to Air Berlin....
I shall hasten to add that nowhere has anything semi-official been published on the rumour, so we may all be living in a dreamland here.....