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Poor Airmanship? Freebird Airlines  
User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3974 times:

I just saw this youtube video of a Freebird airlines making an approach into IST/LTBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPHlyahTx44

[Edited 2007-12-11 04:14:18]


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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3968 times:

There seems to be a lot of unnecessary people in the cockpit, for a training flight. How can the trainee pilot concentrate with all that going on around him? Whatever happened to 'sterile cockpit'?

User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3968 times:

Exacly my point.. Besides, too many non essential chit chat going on..


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User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3940 times:

Not good! Thats why I choose to fly with airlines based in countries with 'Good Discipline"!


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User currently offlineACFA From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

Is it just me or the camera angle? or was he off the centerline quite a bit?

I agree, way too many people in the cockpit and definately not in line with the sterile cockpit concept.


User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

ACFA,
it says that it's a training flight.. So, being off center, being low of glidescope and not retarding the power are all the errors i can see here. Then again, you'd expect a candidate with adequate amount of sim training wouldn't have all these mistakes back to back.. I bet this was a training flight right after the sim training. Flying sim and the airplane are two different things.
My concern is not adhering to the sterile cockpit procedures.. and having too many non essential people in the fligt deck..



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3775 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 1):
Whatever happened to 'sterile cockpit'?



Quoting Bahadir (Reply 5):
My concern is not adhering to the sterile cockpit procedures..

That is an FAA thing. Is that required overseas?



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

I am amazed that they could get 5 people into the cockpit.

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3573 times:
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Its obviously a training flight, and the other people in then flightdeck are most likely other trainees.

When you've done a new typerating and are doing the circuits it's normal that the airline will load a small group of new pilots onto the aircraft so they can do their circuits on the same training mission - saves the company money. While someone is flying, it's normal for the rest of the group to observe.

This isn't necessarily indicative of how this particular airline would operate a revenue flight.

In actual fact, after watching the video, the trainee had control taken off him during the flare when he was not being positive enough about getting the aircraft down. Embarassing for him undoubtedly, but it's very likely that was the first time he'd ever landed an A320. I'm sure the next one was better - under JAR it's a requirement to complete 4 to 6 landings with a TRE/TRI before you can apply to have the aircraft added to your license and begine line training on revenue flights.

That said there is a lot of chatter, but not speaking Turkish I have no idea if some of it is relevant to the operation of the flight or the training, or not... Can't have made it easy for the guy in the hotseat, don't think I'd have been happy!

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CROSSWIND


User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1844 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3524 times:



Quoting Crosswind (Reply 8):
In actual fact, after watching the video, the trainee had control taken off him during the flare when he was not being positive enough about getting the aircraft down. Embarassing for him undoubtedly, but it's very likely that was the first time he'd ever landed an A320. I'm sure the next one was better - under JAR it's a requirement to complete 4 to 6 landings with a TRE/TRI before you can apply to have the aircraft added to your license and begine line training on revenue flights.

Yeah, it sounds like the pilot in the left seat said "I have the controls" during the long flare.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

How about this one?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6070d_4807

Anyone have any idea what's going on here?



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3360 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 6):
That is an FAA thing. Is that required overseas?

 no  It is also a CRM (Crew Resource Management) thing.

Ever wonder why the accident rate today worldwide is but a fraction of what it was in the '80s?  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3263 times:



Quoting N766UA (Reply 10):
How about this one?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6070d_4807

Anyone have any idea what's going on here?

It was discussed in some depth here:

TU-154 Landing Video. What A Contrast (by Balandorlivery Jan 14 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3034 times:



Quoting David L (Reply 12):
t was discussed in some depth here:

Thank you sir.



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