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User currently offlineFerengi80 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 687 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7067 times:
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I have just seen on BBC North West Tonight that a 2-year-old girl had to be rescued from a baggage conveyor belt at MAN.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7138342.stm

A two-year-old girl got stuck on a baggage conveyor belt after walking through an empty check-in desk at Manchester airport.
The toddler was taken part of the way down the four-mile long luggage conveyor tunnel before getting trapped.

She was rescued by an engineer who found her with her clothes torn, suffering from cuts and bruises.

A spokesman for Manchester airport said they were "extremely concerned" and an investigation had begun.

It is not known if the girl passed through an X-ray machine during the incident.

Stoppage investigated

An airport spokesperson said: "We are extremely concerned about this incident and are working with the ground handling agent and the Health and Safety Executive to understand exactly how it occurred and take whatever steps are necessary to ensure this cannot happen again."

The child is understood to have wandered off in the airport's Terminal Two as her parents checked their luggage in for a flight to Islamabad last Thursday.

They raised the alarm after they could not find her.

Shortly afterwards, an engineer found the toddler as he investigated a stoppage in the conveyor system.

The girl was taken to Wythenshawe Hospital and kept in overnight as a precaution.


Sounds like the staff at MAN need to do something to prevent other kids getting on to the conveyor system. Not to mention the parents need to keep a closer eye on their kids! Could have been really nasty if she had gotten hit by one of the hydraulic rams that shoot the bags off on to the different conveyors for the different flights.


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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7037 times:



Quoting Ferengi80 (Thread starter):
The child is understood to have wandered off in the airport's Terminal Two as her parents checked their luggage in for a flight to Islamabad last Thursday.

Yet, somehow the parents will find fault with the airport and/or staff.

Quoting Ferengi80 (Thread starter):
They raised the alarm after they could not find her.

Why the hell weren't they more mindful in the first place? Keep an eye on your kids, especially in public. It is not the job of anyone else to mind your kids, but you, the parent. Always. 100% of the time.

It is amazing that the child in question would be free of cuts, bruises and a scare had she been looked after. How simple.

Glad to hear the child is safe, save a few dings.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6978 times:
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This is definately not a good thing. If a young child can some how find a way into the system undetected it would be easy for a terrorist. This does not help the already not so great security.
Blue



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6957 times:

Well, she's lucky she wasn't killed !

Nobody is to blame but the irrresponsible parents ... A 2-year old in an airport, and the parents don't know where she is at ALL times???? incomprehensible to me!

This has nothing to do with airline staff, or security. The only thing that should be stopping 2-year olds from getting onto conveyors is the parents.


Jimbo



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User currently offlineExpress1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6933 times:

The parents arses should be kicked hard for this,it seems the baggage was more inportant than the little girl's safety,

what a shamble

dave


User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6919 times:
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Quoting Ferengi80 (Thread starter):
The toddler was taken part of the way down the four-mile long luggage conveyor tunnel before getting trapped.

Wow, she was apparently half way to the city centre!

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
Yet, somehow the parents will find fault with the airport and/or staff.

Whilst the parents have to bear some responsibility, the airport/handling agents have to account for the fact that someone was able to get beyond the check-in desks into a restricted area without being seen.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6899 times:



Quoting SK736 (Reply 5):
Whilst the parents have to bear some responsibility,

some??  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6851 times:
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Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
some??

Yes, some. And no need for the sarcasm. Travelling is a stressful business so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that parents lose sight of their children every now and then.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6825 times:



Quoting SK736 (Reply 7):
Travelling is a stressful business so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that parents lose sight of their children every now and then.

It is absolutely a complete surprise to me ... a father of 2.

If it's so stressful you let your kids get almost killed (and it seems that was not unlikely), then you either shouldn't be flying with your kids, or you shouldn't be parents.


Jimbo



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6812 times:



Quoting SK736 (Reply 7):
Travelling is a stressful business

Stressful? For some, maybe, but that is no excuse for not keeping an eye your children.

Quoting SK736 (Reply 7):
so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that parents lose sight of their children every now and then.

Yes, it should be a complete surprise.



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User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6768 times:

In America, the thing to do is file a lawsuit. A big one; sue everybody, especiallt if the child went through an X-ray machine.

But really, parents should keep a closer watch on children at any airport.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6757 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 8):
If it's so stressful you let your kids get almost killed (and it seems that was not unlikely), then you either shouldn't be flying with your kids, or you shouldn't be parents.

 checkmark   thumbsup  BINGO



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User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6733 times:



Quoting Ferengi80 (Thread starter):
A spokesman for Manchester airport said they were "extremely concerned"

Why? It´s not their fault.

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 10):
In America, the thing to do is file a lawsuit. A big one; sue everybody, especiallt if the child went through an X-ray machine.

I don´t think the toddler is old enough for suing her parents for not keeping an eye on her.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 8):
If it's so stressful you let your kids get almost killed (and it seems that was not unlikely), then you either shouldn't be flying with your kids, or you shouldn't be parents.

 checkmark 


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2856 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

"I'm sorry sir, your baby is over the 5kg limit for carry-on. She'll have to go checked."  Big grin

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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6675 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
If a young child can some how find a way into the system undetected it would be easy for a terrorist.

What a shame it's too late to delete your own post. Now we all get to see what a laughable statement that is.

Quoting SK736 (Reply 7):
Travelling is a stressful business so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that parents lose sight of their children every now and then.

Sounds like the parents were the ones needing supervision.



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6598 times:

Here in the U.S. they would have had one heck of a time peeling off the TSA inspection sticker and removing this stuffed in her diaper:



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6533 times:

I've always thought that there should be swinging gates between the checkin stands that are only opened when the stand is in use. It seems like a very exposed area while the rest of the airport is secure (or more secure at least).

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
If a young child can some how find a way into the system undetected it would be easy for a terrorist.

If that terrorist were 3 feet tall and 40 pounds. And what is the terrorist going to do once he/she is stuck in a baggage sorter? Shoot the baggage? I guess they could put a bomb in a bag, but either the bag would then be screened, or they would have already screened the bomber for explosives and not noticed the luggage in question looked a lot like a 1 meter tall human.



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User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

I'm having a flashback! One of my twin son's (2 years old) was trying very hard to get behind the check-in counter for Air Asia in Jakarta. He did not go to an empty one, but one that was in use and had luggage on the belt. He was moving faster than I was. It is not hard to have a child get away from you. Now, if I was watching both of them, one or both of them may have ending up behind the counter. I have learned it is hard to keep both of them together at the same time. Best to have 1 person on each one and that person better not be checking in.

It is up to the parents to keep track of their kids period.

N757KW



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User currently offlineEnviroian From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

The 2 year old was actually conducting a test based on recent reports that US Airways wasn't doing a good job of delivering all checked in luggage. Big grin

User currently offlineBlueSkys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6181 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
This is definately not a good thing. If a young child can some how find a way into the system undetected it would be easy for a terrorist.

I hate to use the American argument..... BUT C'MON??? Everything always comes down to terrorism with some of you gus!!!! If a mideget terrorist got through i am sure he would not be loaded on to the plane....

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 3):
Nobody is to blame but the irrresponsible parents

Parents yess, but also how does the airport staff let a toddler get through onto a conveyor belt? Parents at fault yes, but also the airport staff.

Quoting SK736 (Reply 5):
Whilst the parents have to bear some responsibility, the airport/handling agents have to account for the fact that someone was able to get beyond the check-in desks into a restricted area without being seen.

I Agree 100%

Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 12):
Why? It´s not their fault.

Yes it is. They have no responsibilty to see what goes on the conveyer belt? Maybe they should hire parents to watch those things then.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 13):
"I'm sorry sir, your baby is over the 5kg limit for carry-on. She'll have to go checked."

LOL!

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 14):
What a shame it's too late to delete your own post. Now we all get to see what a laughable statement that is.

Very, Very, Very, Very... Again? VERY LAUGHABLE!!! lol


User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

The airport should sue the parents for not looking after their brat and potentially causing delays.


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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6147 times:



Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 19):
Parents yess, but also how does the airport staff let a toddler get through onto a conveyor belt? Parents at fault yes, but also the airport staff.

The same way that the airport staff will also let toddlers run across airport roads if their parents are irresponsible. Do you want to put 2ft high fences around the perimeter of every road, JUST in case a parent lets their kid run into the road??? Let's have an entry door at each end of every escalator and flight of stairs ... JUST in case a parent lets their child run onto/down it.

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 19):
Yes it is. They have no responsibilty to see what goes on the conveyer belt? Maybe they should hire parents to watch those things then.

If you are willing to pay for somebody to stand and watch every belt, I'm sure they'd have no problem hiring parents to do it. Personally, I'd rather parents just had a little responsibility instead of ensuring anybody can do anything they like and not have any accountability for it .... one of the big problems in today's culture ... it's never MY fault.


Jimbo



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User currently offlineBlueSkys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6090 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 21):
The same way that the airport staff will also let toddlers run across airport roads if their parents are irresponsible. Do you want to put 2ft high fences around the perimeter of every road, JUST in case a parent lets their kid run into the road??? Let's have an entry door at each end of every escalator and flight of stairs ... JUST in case a parent lets their child run onto/down it.

I think we can both agree that airport roads, and what goes on the conveyor belt BEHIND the ticket counter require different attention....

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 21):
If you are willing to pay for somebody to stand and watch every belt, I'm sure they'd have no problem hiring parents to do it. Personally, I'd rather parents just had a little responsibility instead of ensuring anybody can do anything they like and not have any accountability for it .... one of the big problems in today's culture ... it's never MY fault.

I Agree with you, parents should be a hell of alot more responsible, when i have kids i will pay much attention to them, but.... This kid went beyond a secure checkpoint onto a conveyor belt. When parents fail it is one thing, but when a child gets into a secure baggage area and no one notices I find that a tad worrying, dont you agree?


User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6045 times:



Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 22):
I Agree with you, parents should be a hell of alot more responsible, when i have kids i will pay much attention to them, but.... This kid went beyond a secure checkpoint onto a conveyor belt. When parents fail it is one thing, but when a child gets into a secure baggage area and no one notices I find that a tad worrying, dont you agree?

Since the family was going to Islamabad i can guess that this was check in of a PIA flight. Like many ethnic flights, pax has A LOT of luggage, not to mention a large group of people seeing them off. So if the check in agent was trying to check the family in, at the same time trying to keep a look on those big bags and who of those 10 people is actually flying , aswell as trying to see if they have valid passports and visas, You cant blame them not keeping an eye on the familiys kid aswell as all other closed check in counters.
Its a terrible tragedy that this happened, but its up to the parents to keep a look on their kids.
A small kid getting on the the belt isnt that big security threat to me.



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6040 times:



Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 22):
This kid went beyond a secure checkpoint onto a conveyor belt. When parents fail it is one thing, but when a child gets into a secure baggage area and no one notices I find that a tad worrying, dont you agree?

Not that it matters, but do we know the child got into a "secure area'", "beyond a secure checkpoint" ... semantics probably, but I don't see where she went past a point where baggage had been scanned/xrayed and cleared for airside??

BTW, what some are missing here is that she WAS found.

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 22):
I think we can both agree that airport roads, and what goes on the conveyor belt BEHIND the ticket counter require different attention....

My point is that we can stop all terrorism if we really want to, and stop all accidents on roads involving kids. The problem is that you and I wouldn't want to live in that world .... that's why there are compromises to make it acceptable and feasible for all concerned, and we knowingly accept some risks driving to work, and taking a flight.

If there is a hole that a bag has to go through, then there is a hole that a 2-year old can go through. You could quite easily lay on the carousel belt and get into the baggage area if you wanted to. You could also cut the perimeter fence or climb over it, and probably wouldn't be noticed for a while... should we make all perimeter fences out of titanium and 30ft high then?

Jimbo



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25 Eghansen : Especially when you consider what a suitcase can look like after taking a similar trip.
26 BlueSkys : What can I say? You do have a point. The parents failed and that is the MOST important point. But I still believe that the kid should not have gotten
27 Threepoint : I don;t think anybody on this forum is pointing a finger at anybody other than the parents. The story says both parents were present. So, one looks a
28 Ikramerica : I inflicted terrible tragedies upon myself far worse than that. Not to mention what my brother and I did to each other. This kid was lucky. Could hav
29 Bond007 : Let's be thankful it wasn't PHL. She would have been stolen. Jimbo
30 NG1Fan : Or at LHR. She'd be on a flight to FRA by now. Jokes aside, the parent is responsible for their children. And it isn't until you have them you realis
31 Theginge : No it wouldn't!! As has been said above this two year old was probably the same size and weight as a suitcase so could easily go down the system unti
32 ThePalauan : Maybe the kid saw the movie Airplane and figured her baggage will claim her at her final destination. Anyways... If it happened in America, I can imag
33 B6MoneyGuyJFK : But not before paid appeances on Oprah or Dr. Phill! I know all setups are different, but the one thing I'm having a hard time getting my head around
34 SuseJ772 : Ding....ding...ding...ding....we have a winner. It took three replies for an American to freak out about security and in classic FoxNews fashion rela
35 EWRCabincrew : It could have been Herve Villechaize (Tattoo from 'Fantasy Island') yelling "the plane!, the plane!".
36 Coronado990 : Heck, I've seen plenty of 2 year old terrorists. But the only bomb they were carrying was in their diaper.
37 Post contains images DaBuzzard : This begs the question...... If the child ran on the belt, and the belt was set up to run in the opposite direction at the same speed, would said chil
38 Tonystan : Airports may be exciting places for children but they are NOT playgrounds. Unfortunately a lot of parents treat them as such allowing kids play on bag
39 SK736 : Because it provides evidence of the apparent ease with which someone can enter a restricted area. All staff working at or near check-in desks have a
40 Bond007 : Perhaps if the parents did this, the agents could concentrate on doing their job, rather than running a childcare facility! A 2-year old child, the s
41 ThePalauan : That kinda begs the question: What exactly were both parents doing that one of them couldn't at least keep an eye on the kid? I understand that somet
42 Jawed : My question is, if a 2-year old is running on a conveyor belt, and the belt is running in the opposite direction to match the 2-year old's speed, then
43 Cytz_pilot : Poor kid, that must have been really frightening. My 2-year old son loves anything out of the ordinary, so airports are just as fascinating as Disneyl
44 RW717 : When I was a kid in the 70's, and my dad was a ramp agent for Hughes AIrwest In LAS, I rode from the ticket counter to the bagroom on the conveyer bel
45 DocLightning : As a physician (pediatrician, in fact) my big concern is actually the possibility that the kid could have gone through the X-ray scanner. I don't know
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