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User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Hello guys!

This is in regards to the archived discussion about Metis Macau found in Warning: Metis TransPacific - A Fake Airline! (by YLWbased Nov 28 2007 in Civil Aviation)

I happened to read about that discussion two weeks ago and by chance I met the Tourism Representative of the Government of Macau in Las Vegas last weekend and I mentioned to her about Metis Macau.

She forwarded to me an email tonight from her colleague in Macau about what they say about this "airline".

Quote:

This airline is sketchy. I was just reading about them on Destination Macau's website. The owner basically created the company, website, start taking reservations, but didn't have a firm deal with a charter airline (he doesn't own any planes) nor he has got authorization from Macau's airport to land there.

I will send you the link later, but I would suggest letting this person know that you are not familiar with the airline because it is new and hasn't started flying yet. They are supposed to start flying Dec. 14.

We’ll keep an eye out on this. Thanks.

And quoting from Destination-Macau.com website,

Quote:

Here is the story to date, as best we can understand it.

Despite its name, Metis does not possess an Air Operator’s Certificate. It is not, therefore, an airline in the strictest sense of the word. However, it does not necessarily need an AOC in order to sell tickets on charter flights. What it does need is an airline, with an AOC, that is prepared to “wet lease” planes to it. Such a lease involves the provision of a fully-staffed plane to the charterer, and allows the charterer to sell tickets for seats on flights operated by the plane’s owners.
Metis had such an arrangement in place earlier this year with American carrier Primaris, and flights between Macau and Vancouver were approved by the Macau aeronautics authority, AACM, to take place from August 15 to September 15. However, the rights were never invoked, as Metis and Primaris failed to reach an agreement on how to operate the flights.

Metis’s Colbourne then started looking for another AOC owner, and the company announced via its website, www.metismacau.com, that it was aiming to sell tickets for a December 14 “Santa Special” flight, at the price of 1,500 HK$/MOP/RMB return between Macau and Vancouver. It entered into negotiations with Canadian carrier Zoom Airlines on a wet lease agreement, and these negotiations lasted until around November 27. If it had managed to secure the agreement, Metis would have been within its legal right to solicit payment and issue tickets for flights on an aircraft chartered from Zoom. Zoom would have been responsible for securing approval from the Macau aviation authorities to operate the flights between Macau and Vancouver starting on December 14.


source: http://www.destination-macau.com/2007/11/metis_we_messed_up.html

I hope this posting helps!

-jasp


-peace and chicken grease!
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User currently offlineMcamargo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

looks like they're blaming not operating on "The Grinch"... from their homepage:

Quote:

SANTA IS COMING! SO WERE WE!

Until that is, "THE GRINCH" stole Christmas from the thousands of passengers that were happy to have an alternative option from expensive airfares this holiday season.

METIS TRANSPACIFIC AIRLINES IS SADDENED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE WILL NOT BE LAUNCHING FLIGHTS ON DECEMBER 14 2007.

 

[Edited 2007-12-14 13:38:10]

[Edited 2007-12-14 13:38:47]


I live for the day mainline returns to BRO...
User currently offlineThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

I like how he says no one attempted to contact him at any point about his business. Does he not remember the vaguely-worded E-mails he sent back?

If he wanted to be a serious airline, he would have had things set in stone before deciding to book the first passenger. The bank account for the AIRLINE should have been first. The fact that everything was still under 'negotiations' and that he was accepting bookings anyways must be held against him. That and the shady information he provided regarding the equipment he intended to use and the doctored photo that showed his product. He deserved thorough investigation for setting things up that way.



You can take the boy out of the island, but not the island out of the boy!
User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2956 times:



Quoting Mcamargo (Reply 1):
looks like they're blaming not operating on "The Grinch

Doesn't he remember the end of the movie.  Smile I am glad that they got shutdown and I feel very bad for all of the people that got scammed by Metis Macau.


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3821 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

What, so now they list January 26 as their next departure date. Want to bet that those who paid for a ticket did NOT get a refund?

http://www.metismacau.com/

Soren  santahat 



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3821 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Oh and by the way:


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Photo © Baron F. Hussein



Notice anything?



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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

I actually had a long email discussion with the airline.

Emails below

I have to thank you, because all you have done today is give allot of
attention to Metis.

The RCMP are a fine police force and in all honesty don't you think that
this would have been shutdown months ago, if it was a fraud?....... The
Chinese government nor Macau government nor Hong Kong government add to
that Canadian government, more specifically, Transport Canada and CAT
Canada (Civil Aviation Transportation) would have thrown down a hammer or
the hammer so to speak.

Metis has been incorporated since November 2006 in Macau only, and never
in Canada, that information has been wrong since the Wiki. page was
started, and important to add, that it was not Metis that started the
page.

Understanding what Wiki. is would begin to clarify the objections raised,
Metis has continually tried to correct any erroneous information at Wiki.,
but each time it was changed back by another user, you can verify that by
going to the discussion page at Wiki. and you will see all of the edits
that we made and then you will see all then re-edits that an outside
source made as well.

If this was a fraud or a scam you have to believe that it would have not
lasted 18 months and the site not lasted those 18months as well.

One statement to make: Metis has never harmed any person nor entity in its
18 months of existence. There is no victim to find, because they just do
not exist, period.

I cannot figure out why it is that you people want to take Metis down so
badly, why? It is like it has become the order of the day to try to take
out little Metis TrasnPac. We have been attacked many many and even more
than that many, times over the past year, but you know what?.......... We
never hurt anyone and we protected our name by not comitting mistakes with
pax. and not booking tickets outside of our lauch date. So at this point
in time, Metis is the only victim, and you can be guaranteed that I will
not let that out of our grasp, as it is our only weapon at this time. I
hope you understand what it is that I am trying to convey there, don't
take that wrong either, just that sometimes I am not the best explainer of
things is all.

Have a nice day

Metis
---------------------
Daniel,

There are certain things in your email below that are correct and we
cannot deny ie; 752, it should not say that it can make a jump YVR-MFM
non-stop, that is an error. We do not, however, see that on the website,
if it is there, then it should come down immediately, we would have to
agree.

As per the photo of the 743 at YVR landing, that photo has been up on the
site now for over 9 months and immediately when it went up a.net jumped on
it and said it was a copyrighted photo, yet nobody ever contacted us about
being the photographer, and as such we waited and still to this day and
all through the blood bath of Metis that is being created on a.net right
now, still nobody has contacted us.

As per Zoom, well that has been proven true and can be backed up by
contacting Zoom, press agents have contacted Zoom directly and have found
out that they know exactly who we are and also have admitted that Zoom and
Metis were in contract negotiations, also pretaining to the press, they
have proven that Metis is a Macau incorporated company, so that rumor was
disproven as well.

As per the coer of engineers, well on the website and anybodies website
related to aviation, installing some sense of safety security is better
than just saying something else, don't you think?

As per under 12 fly free w/ parent or guardian, well we have to agree that
it is a serious thing to give up a seat on a jet to a child for 0.00. But
if you look at Oasis Hong Kong, you will see that they do the same thing
and it was done as a way to come to market. For obvious reasons we don't
believe that they will continue for a much longer time, offering that
special. Although we do not put ourselves on the same level as Oasis, we
too have to come to market with an offer of similar proportion.

Rgds,

Metis
--------------------
Appreciate your tone in your reply, that is said with all honesty, thank
you.

1st) They are not being lied to, we are serious as is the carrier that is
being used, that safety is the utmost of importance, you would have to know
that, and believe that too, I would hope. Nobody is being lied to about
that, Safety First.

2nd) The photograph, was taken from a.net yes and as soon as it was put up
on the site, back in May 07, it immediately drew fire from the site as being
not our photo. But in the months that have past since May 07 not one single
person, photographer included, has ever contacted us, if that person had we
would have arranged something......just no contact, yet.

3rd) 752 error, actually nobody contacted us about the error there, as it is
an error in litres and gallons, apparently, I will endeavor to have that
corrected asap.

4th) Interiors, over the past 18 months we have gone through contract
negotiations w/several carriers, importance needs to be put on the fact that
we are a charter airline and as such we obviously have different contracts
with different carriers. The interior photos come from a what is now an ex.
SAA 744, and we were very far along in negotiations with them vendor of the
bird and as such we revceived all the tech data on the bird. SAA has
unloaded 3 sisterships altogether, all sisters of the one that is on our
site right now. That particular bird we missed and she was made over into a
freighter, second sister should have finished her registration in Europe on
friday past, and as such she has been offered to us on a 3 yr contract,
again attention should be paid to the wording previously "should have
finished......" we'll know more Monday. The third sister will be available
in Feb08, and she too has been offered to us as well under the same
contract.

Ok so if you have any other comments or questions please do send them or
forward them to us, we all appreciate your tone, really.
--------------------
Daniel,

Again, thank you for your tone, it is appreciated.

Safety: I personaly think that the word "charter" immediately and for
absolutely no good reason instills a lack of confidence in the
airline/carrier/aircraft...... For some reason people do have the theroy
in their head that, if it is a charter and the airfares are lower that the
legacy carriers, then the safety policy is not at the same level..... I
know that nothing could be further from the truth as you do as well I
would have to think, but it is a theroy that exists in the market. Well in
the Asian market it exists, and I can prove that, as it is our market and
we see comments all the time like "how can your fares be so low, are the
engines going to fall off?"........ I kidd not and other comments along
the same line, it is a terrible conontation in the Asian marketplace. So
anything that we can do to install more confidence BUT WITHOUT LIEING, we
have to do. If you preceiev that the place will not pushback from the
gate, then maybe that is sometihng that we should look at and also have
re-edited. Suffice to say, point taken.


2) A.net Rules: I don't think that I need to show you how many rules have
been broken on a.net in this particular forum, rules that if they were
upheld would have protected Metis from slander and defamation and
outrighgt lies, and your point is taken that yes maybe we should put a
message up giving credit to the photographer, actually I will make sure
that is done tomorrow by the design people.

3) 752 again, 7222km is the range listed at boeing for the 752, fo you can
show me where it says differently on our site please do point it out to
me, not being smart there just asking for your input is all.

4) 752 again, again, in the end we will not be using a 752 on this route
Daniel (MFM/YVR v.v.) it will be used on another that we have in planning
right now if a.net hasn't wiped us out completely.....which doesn't seem
to have happened as of yet........

side notes:

Metis is not hiding nor going on the net and kicking up a storm telling
everyone to shut up or get lost or throwing insults, like is being done on
a.net toward Metis, and other sites that have come out now and followed
suit, no we are taking notes and cacheing pages and such things, to make
sure that everyone who makes comments w/out proof and such things etc etc
will be very aware that Metis is a real entity in the end.

An example, there is a guy somewhere who wrote on his personal blog about
Metis being a fake and that we were collecting personal data (passport
number, dob, citizenship, country of passport issued) to be used in an
identity theft....... All we can figure is that this guy has never flown
on an international flight, and certainly not since sep 11, that info is
mandatory before the flight leaves the ground and even before that, it is
actaualy due with the Canadian government 72 hours before the passengers
flight, so as to avoid any confusion at check in we collect it at ticket
issuance, much the same way that any airline that services international
routes does when you purchase your ticket online..... Add to that we do
not take reservations from nor sell any tickets to any Vancouver
originating pax, period.

Ok sorry I was going on there.... in any case thanks fo ryour input and
please do continue to contact us when you want.

Rgds,

Metis

(all spelling mistakes are his, not mine)

Will email him back and see what he has to say


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3821 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2664 times:



Quoting Trekster (Reply 6):
As per the photo of the 743 at YVR landing, that photo has been up on the
site now for over 9 months and immediately when it went up a.net jumped on
it and said it was a copyrighted photo, yet nobody ever contacted us about
being the photographer, and as such we waited and still to this day and
all through the blood bath of Metis that is being created on a.net right
now, still nobody has contacted us.

So this guy thinks that you can steal a photo and wait if somebody complains, and if nobody does, then it's ok?

Very strange concept.

Soren  santahat 



All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

shouldn't this whole thread be in Non-Av since this isn't even an "Airline" but more of a marketing organization ?  Smile

User currently offlineThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2607 times:



Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 8):
shouldn't this whole thread be in Non-Av since this isn't even an "Airline" but more of a marketing organization ?

 rotfl 

Quoting Trekster (Reply 6):
Metis is not hiding nor going on the net and kicking up a storm telling
everyone to shut up or get lost or throwing insults, like is being done on
a.net toward Metis, and other sites that have come out now and followed
suit, no we are taking notes and cacheing pages and such things, to make
sure that everyone who makes comments w/out proof and such things etc etc
will be very aware that Metis is a real entity in the end.

And how does he intend to make us all 'very aware'? Aircraft tours? Free tickets? Or how about a t-shirt saying "I poked fun at Metis for being a fake airline and the company sent me this lousy t-shirt to prove that they're real!"? I personally will believe it to be real if I get the t-shirt.  sarcastic 



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