SIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 373 posts, RR: 3 Posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11249 times:
Seems Russian government will abolish duties import for aircrafts with more than 300 seats, opening market to Boeing and Airbus....
Seems to be a bad new for the Russian Il-96 wich try to fight on that market! http://www.kommersant.com/p834824/Duty_abolish/
ORDagent From United States, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10782 times:
Let's face it. The IL96 is already a generation behind the times. Four engined aircraft, with the exception of the 380/747, falling off of the radar. Look at the 340 series.
717-200 From United States, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10774 times:
Now only if they could abolish the import duties for aircraft that are 100 seats or more. But then again Bermuda would lose a lot of a/c registration business with Russian Airlines.
Sevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10406 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 6): what has the A380 got to do with the IL96???
Probably has lower cost base - and would suit some of the longer distance high density routes. Now SU will not have to pay hugh import duties, perhaps they will look at the A380 in greater detail.But in the shorter term, I think they are more likely to select an A330/340. At least until their moden wide bodies arrive from the production line.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 8607 posts, RR: 28 Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8949 times:
It still has a potential market for airlines whose countries have fallen foul of the US ... IR, RB, Air Koryo, possibly a Venezuelan carrier.
I'm sure, if the investment was there and the will too, it probably wouldn't take TOO much to make it into a very desirable aircraft; it's quite sleek, aerodynamically, has a good fuselage cross section (potential freighter as M1F replacement, for example?), perhaps potential for it to become a twin (depends on ground clearance for a large fan - but doesn't look like it would be a major problem), new cockpit, IFE etc. The incentive is certainly there now to make that happen.
"What are we going to do tonight, Brain?" "Same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world".
Scbriml From United Kingdom (England), joined Jul 2003, 8934 posts, RR: 51 Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8856 times:
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Quoting Vasu (Reply 8): I thought they had problems filling the 777s...
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11): SU already operated the 777, and they couldn't fill them, hence why they returned them back to the lessor.
I'm sure one of our Russian friends will be along soon, but I'm afraid this is one of a.net's enduring myths.
The only problem SU had with the 777 was the challenge of scheduling them as they only had two. Size of the 777 was not an issue.
Flipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 584 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7058 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12): perhaps potential for it to become a twin (depends on ground clearance for a large fan - but doesn't look like it would be a major problem)
Doubt that'll happen, it isn't just a case of take 4 small off and stick two big ones on. Is there any other cases of aircraft having their number of engines changed (not A330/340).
Concentriq From United States, joined Jan 2005, 362 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6262 times:
This abolition of import tariffs might be last nail in the coffin for Russian aviation industry's widebody sector. Now there is no incentive whatsoever for Ilyushin or Tupolev or anyone else to develop high capacity aircraft. One of the strongest points (of many others) in favour of RU aviation industry in todays market, would have to have been cost advantage for domestic carriers. Now that duties are gone (or SIGNIFICANTLY less than before. I do not believe that they would be completely eliminated), the cost advantage factor is less of a factor. Why am i saying these well known axioms? It angers me as an ex-pat, to see that this relative abundance of money RU experiencing right now selling gas and oil at $95/barrel, is NOT being reinvested in domestic economy. Where are new KBs? Where are new Tech parks and scores of qualified engineers??? Sorry for this rant, but this whole "live for today" hindsight economic policy of current gov't is beginning to get really really old.
Quoting SashA (Reply 1): I am all for it. Would love to see some variety in the skies and not just flying over the huge country.
"2" in economics???
A. If you dont have a job, you cant pay for the very airplane ticket that lets you enjoy this variety.
B. You can only have a job if "things" are developed or manufactured domestically.
C. Things are not manufactured domestically, if it is easier to import than to make locally.
D. This removal of duties makes it less likely for "you" (metaphorically speaking) to have a job.
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So variety vs. economic prosperity. Hmmmm. Cant you enjoy variety by traveling abroad? Excluding export of natural resources, what is Russia's current trade deficit? Oh, and "System Analyst" job might not be there tomorrow if significant investments into development sector arent made TODAY.
Scbriml From United Kingdom (England), joined Jul 2003, 8934 posts, RR: 51 Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1610 times:
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Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 17): Those 748s would look SWEET in the SU color scheme...
Let's face it, that scheme looks good on any plane.
PavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 615 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1577 times:
I think Ilyushin dropped the ball by not developing the two engineed IL-98 a few years ago. Their reluctance to use Western powerplants is seeminly the big hang-up as they don't have a domestic powerplant capable of economically powering it.
Even now they could always throw a couple of General Electric GEnx or Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 or XWB and they'd have a product that would at least be marginally competive. The aircraft is really heavy though so it would be a struggle even then and that doesn't take into account all the other competive issues.
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