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AF 777 Emergency Landing @ FCO Today  
User currently offline777 From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21974 times:

I'm writing this post from FCO terminal C where 2 AF 777 are parked at the moment: the first one experienced a problem while flying over Italy enroute to La Reunion and landed in emergency with one engine shut down, while the second one is here to take the pax and continue the trip.

anyone here has more news on that?

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User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21966 times:

Obviously we don't know any details yet, but another 777 engine shutdown for AF doesn't look good for them and getting their longer ETOPS back.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21973 times:

Hmm. this is the second engine failure in short time by AF 777s.


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21748 times:



Quoting Bakersdozen (Reply 1):
but another 777 engine shutdown for AF doesn't look good for them and getting their longer ETOPS back.

 sarcastic  Why should they "get their ETOPS back" ? they never "lost" it !


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9097 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21644 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
Hmm. this is the second engine failure in short time by AF 777s.

Is it the third ? One in Irkutsk, St Petersburg and this one ?



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21631 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 4):
Is it the third ? One in Irkutsk, St Petersburg and this one ?

Seems that I have missed one. True 3. Seems that something is going on in AF 777 fleet.



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User currently offlineIDISA From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21631 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 3):
Why should they "get their ETOPS back" ? they never "lost" it !

FlySSC, check out the "Similar topics" section and read about the emergency landing in LED, some weeks ago.

Quoting Bakersdozen (Reply 1):
doesn't look good for them and getting their longer ETOPS back.

Ahi ahi... I was thinkin' the same thing...

IDISA


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21587 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 3):

sarcastic Why should they "get their ETOPS back" ? they never "lost" it !

I'm pretty sure if the engine in question is of the same type than the one last week in St. Petersburg,there will be some action comming from the DGAC...



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21553 times:

Quoting IDISA (Reply 6):
FlySSC, check out the "Similar topics" section and read about the emergency landing in LED, some weeks ago.

I read it.
And I also read this one :
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/3725869/

And I confirm that all this is nothing else that b***sh*t !!! Just a rumor found on a website and reported here on A.Net.

The fact is that AF is having some troubles with the GE90, just like all other airlines using this same engine type on their B777s. This is not new, and it started as soon as since the first deliveries of the GE90 powered B772ER.

[Edited 2007-12-12 09:46:21]

User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21479 times:



Quoting IDISA (Reply 6):
FlySSC, check out the "Similar topics" section and read about the emergency landing in LED, some weeks ago.

They did not lose ETOPS altogether. If they did, they wouldn't be operating any 777 routes now.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21376 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 4):
Is it the third ?

No. It is actually the sixth ! :
1) : B772ER GRU-CDG diverted to LPA
2) : B772ER CDG-GRU diverted to FOR
3) : B772ER HKG-CDG, returned to HKG
4) : B773ER SEL-CDG diverted to IKT
5) : B773ER PEK-CDG diverted to LED

and 6th : this last one.

And once again, this problem is concerning all the airlines operating GE90 powered B777 (among them, CX and JL experienced the same problems).


User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21334 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
B773ER SEL-CDG diverted to IKT

This was a 772ER, GE90-94B engines

The one in LED recently was a 773ER, GE90-115B engines, the first IFSD while in service for that airframe/engine combo.

Now, does anyone know what A/C was the troubled one today?

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
And once again, this problem is concerning all the airlines operating GE90 powered B777 (among them, CX and JL experienced the same problems).

Hmmm, CX? They have troubles already? They've only been operating the GE90 for a few months!


raggi



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9097 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21316 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
and 6th : this last one.

All AF ?

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
(among them, CX and JL experienced the same problems).

CX has not had any problems with the GE90 engines so far, only been operating them for a very short period of time. Had some issues with the RR Trent on the 777.



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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21267 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
this is the second engine failure in short time by AF 777s.

Was it a failure or an IFSD?


User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21267 times:

Anyone to post a similar list of another airline, and another engine? I know that for example, Finnair had two shut-downs on their A320 series within some two weeks. I guess the engines in question were CFM, not sure though. And AY is a much smaller airline than AF.

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9097 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21167 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Reply 15):
Anyone to post a similar list of another airline, and another engine?

http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/belfast/777/777engfails.htm
http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/belfast/777/777engfails-1.htm

I find http://www.jacdec.de/ pretty good for seeing engine failure events being reported which do not make it on here a lot of times.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20619 times:



Quoting Raggi (Reply 12):
Now, does anyone know what A/C was the troubled one today?

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User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20573 times:

Zeke, I didn't find either of those sites to have complete and reliable info, especially on engine shut-downs. Maybe those stats don't exist as comparison charts. What I meant, is that if there could be a list e.g. LH's A340 shut-downs, that would put the AF figures into perspective.

User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20111 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Reply 17):
Zeke, I didn't find either of those sites to have complete and reliable info, especially on engine shut-downs. Maybe those stats don't exist as comparison charts. What I meant, is that if there could be a list e.g. LH's A340 shut-downs, that would put the AF figures into perspective.

why do you have to compare it always to an airbus? maybe you should compare it to their A330s then...since the A340 has no ETOPS issues.


User currently offlineCoza777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 19069 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
No. It is actually the sixth ! :
1) : B772ER GRU-CDG diverted to LPA
2) : B772ER CDG-GRU diverted to FOR
3) : B772ER HKG-CDG, returned to HKG
4) : B773ER SEL-CDG diverted to IKT
5) : B773ER PEK-CDG diverted to LED

and 6th : this last one.

And once again, this problem is concerning all the airlines operating GE90 powered B777 (among them, CX and JL experienced the same problems).



Quoting Zeke (Reply 12):
CX has not had any problems with the GE90 engines so far, only been operating them for a very short period of time. Had some issues with the RR Trent on the 777.

This could be more of an Air France maintenance problem, rather than an inherent GE90 problem. Continental and BA have GE90 777s, and I do not believe there are any on-going recurring problems with their engines. Could someone corroborate me on that point? Thanks.


User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18591 times:

Well the GE-90115B engine serves some of the longest routes in the world so its more prone to having problems while in the air. It couldn't be some kind of design flaw could it?

Have SQ and ANA had engine problems with their 7773ER? They both have 11 each now.


User currently offlineGetdonnie From Bermuda, joined May 2006, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18552 times:



Quoting Coza777 (Reply 19):

I am not in a position of authority to corroborate but given the flight hours relied on by both Continental and BA and the sectors, in particular those of Continental, used by their 777s, perhaps it could be an AF maintenance issue more so than GE's pwr plants. Has GE made any announcements pertaining to the AF diversions?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 17059 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
The fact is that AF is having some troubles with the GE90, just like all other airlines using this same engine type on their B777s. This is not new, and it started as soon as since the first deliveries of the GE90 powered B772ER.



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
And once again, this problem is concerning all the airlines operating GE90 powered B777 (among them, CX and JL experienced the same problems).

CX has not had any trouble, and you're blowing up something that happened 10 years ago.

There were some early delivery problems with the GE90, and practically none since then. Nothing nearly as serious as the fan blades on Trents coming unbonded and causing several airlines to lose their ETOPS certifications entirely.

NS


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16436 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
The fact is that AF is having some troubles with the GE90, just like all other airlines using this same engine type on their B777s. This is not new, and it started as soon as since the first deliveries of the GE90 powered B772ER

Im not aware of any other airlines having any problems with their GE 90's. I think this may be a maintenance issue with AF rather than a problem with the engine itself



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User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16163 times:



Quoting Raggi (Reply 11):
The one in LED recently was a 773ER, GE90-115B engines, the first IFSD while in service for that airframe/engine combo.

How could that be when...

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
4) : B773ER SEL-CDG diverted to IKT
5) : B773ER PEK-CDG diverted to LED

AFAIK the 773ER only has the GE90-115s so if AF alone has had at least 1 other engine issue with a 773ER the airframe must have had an IFSD before. This is counting on two things, that the information in my 2nd quote is true. Second being if the first one was a GE90-115A (I am not sure if there is even such an engine, or a difference).



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25 OldAeroGuy : The reason is that the IKT diversion (No 5) was a 772ER and the engine involved was a GE90-94B.
26 FiveMileFinal : I distinctly remember CO having an engine blow on one of their triples during the takeoff roll of a flight out of EWR earlier this year. CO84 EWR-TLV
27 Norcal773 : Can you back that up? Saying airlines operating 777's with GE90'sis a little over the top if you ask me.
28 Post contains links CO787EWR : This http://www.pprune.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-269498.html
29 Raggi : Like I corrected FlySSC, the number 4 on his list was a 772ER, not a 773ER. The one recently in LED was a 773ER. And now this one in FCO was also a 7
30 AvFan4ever : Neither the LED or FCO diversions were IFSDs. Factual reports that will eventually be made public will support this statement.
31 Beaucaire : Yesterday's flight AF 008 (CDG-JFK) did not leave due to engine failure (777 ) neither -that might be a co-incidence,but the co-incidents start to bu
32 Gkirk : No secret that when BA started using the 777s with GE90s, there was a few problems initially. These are all sorted now, so I expect the same to happe
33 Beaucaire : What a strange fact that you first have to go through a "learning" courve with engines.. AF have a bunch of 777's and I'd think their maintenance sho
34 Raggi : Ok, good to hear. So let me rephase then; I don't believe the GE90-115B has had any technical problems whilst in flight necessitating a diversion pri
35 FFlyer : Beaucaire, I remember you having had something against GE in some other threads, too. There are A fan, A haters, B fans, B haters....but engine fans
36 Beaucaire : There is no bad feeling against any engine maker at all - wrong assessment ! I would have made the same remark if the engines were RR or IAE - that's
37 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G'day Me thinks, after reading about all these unreliable GE90 powered airliners, would it not be an appropriate time to start thinking about replacin
38 Baw716 : I read Air Transport World quite a lot and they usually are pretty on top of ongoing news (especially their daily news wire, which I receive). To date
39 XAAPB : Just to add, yesterday Air France second flight (AFR434 CDG-MEX) was late for like 3 hours, and the return flight (AFR435 MEX-CDG) was cancel, could t
40 BAW716 : Why would AF delay an outbound aircraft and then cancel the return? XAAPB...did the cancellation happen as a result of the delay at CDG, or when the a
41 AvFan4ever : Once again, recent diversions to LET and FCO were not IFSDs. Of the other 4 events, I believe only 2 were IFSDs. There have been no IFSDs of GE90-pow
42 XAAPB : BAW716, I think I made a mistake, since I took the information from FlightStats and it said that the flight was cancel, but checking in Air France, ac
43 Post contains images Norcal773 : Where's PM when you need him. People that I know who dpon't like General Evil have some pretty good reason but personally I could care less as long a
44 Airfoilsguy : One of those problems being that one of GEs blade vendors labeled look alike airfoils incorrectly. This causing blades of the wrong alloy being insta
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