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BA Starts Europe-NY Flights In May 08  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9554 times:

First two routes Brussels-NY, Paris-NY with 752 (2 classes - 102 seats).


BRITISH AIRWAYS has appointed a group of top executives to the board of BA European, a new subsidiary that will start flights from European cities to America next summer.

The " airline within an airline" is expected to fly from Paris and Brussels to New York from May.

The official launch for BA European is expected within the next month. It is not known what brand it will fly under, but it is expected to operate two Boeing 757s with about 102 seats in two classes, Club World and World Traveller Plus.


BA European is BA's response to the introduction of "open skies" between Europe and America, which allows European airlines to fly from anywhere in Europe to the US, and vice versa.

(full story)
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...ctors/transport/article3039895.ece

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7499 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9514 times:

Since AF officially came with LHR-LAX yesterday, its no surprise that BA is firing right back. Tit-for-tat. Ive watched it happen here in LAX with DL and UA over the last year. When one announces service on anothers turf, the other will fire right back.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9516 times:

I'm curious to see if they take this concept beyond New York to other U.S. markets on the East Coast. My guess would be no, though.

How does the reduced seating configuration improve the range, if at all? Can the 757s make it Chicago or Miami?



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7499 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9472 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
How does the reduced seating configuration improve the range, if at all? Can the 757s make it Chicago or Miami?

It might be able to make it to Chicago from some destinations in western Europe, Miami would be a strech from anything past London (on a year round basis).



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9457 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
How does the reduced seating configuration improve the range, if at all? Can the 757s make it Chicago or Miami?

CO 752s fly up to about 4000 miles TATL. Both BRU and CDG are about 4150 miles from ORD, so there's very little range improvement required there. It's about 4600 miles to MIA from those two cities, which still isn't a huge jump when you consider that BA has torn out 100 seats.

I wonder if the announcement of JFK first has something to do with the desire to get these routes announced (and, in a perfect world, running) prior to capacity restrictions at JFK. JFK is clearly the best place for this type of service, but there's also urgency at JFK not present at other airports.



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9405 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
two classes, Club World and World Traveller Plus.

Just out of interest, what config do you think the WTP cabin'll be in? 2-3? 3-2? 2-2?


User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9387 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
First two routes Brussels-NY, Paris-NY with 752 (2 classes - 102 seats).

Hmmmmm only 102 seats.... means there will less PAX baggage .... and more room for $$$$ Cargo $$$$....



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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9369 times:



Quoting Vasu (Reply 5):
Just out of interest, what config do you think the WTP cabin'll be in? 2-3? 3-2? 2-2?

If I remember right Club World is BA's Business class, so I guess a 2-2 configuration. Traveller Plus is a sort of Economy Plus, maybe a 2-3 would be the best solution?


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9246 times:

Will BA be refurbishing their 757 cabins to look like the 737NG with the 'Signature' interior? IT sure would make them look good. Winglets would look great on BA's 757s, and add even more range for them. Any word if they'll get winglets too?

User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9204 times:



Quoting Vasu (Reply 5):
Just out of interest, what config do you think the WTP cabin'll be in? 2-3? 3-2? 2-2?

Looking at their current configs:

767: J 2-2-2 and W 2-2-2
777: J 2-4-2 and W 2-4-2
744: J 2-4-2 and W 2-4-2

I would guess that the 757 would also be 2-2 in both J and W.


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8963 times:

Will they be getting winglets on these 757's or will the fewer amount of seats make up for that?

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6869 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8909 times:

In time, I would have thought that BA's 767s would be good on routes between Europe and the US.

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8885 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 11):

I guess the whole thing's a bit of an experiment... at first they'd use the smaller aircraft... if its a success, who knows?


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6869 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8850 times:



Quoting Vasu (Reply 12):
I guess the whole thing's a bit of an experiment... at first they'd use the smaller aircraft

Absolutely. But if they prove the concept with 757s then the 767s would open more markets because of the range and - perhaps - added passenger appeal.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5620 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8833 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
It is not known what brand it will fly under,

BEA???

Gemuser



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6869 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8767 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 14):
BEA???

In a retro colour scheme?! Those 757s would look beautiful!  bigthumbsup 


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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5620 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8404 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 15):
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 14):BEA???
In a retro colour scheme?! Those 757s would look beautiful!   

You are an evil, evil man PM! I love it! Can someody please, please put the BEA scheme on a B757? Pretty please!

Gemuser



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6869 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8323 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 16):
Can someody please, please put the BEA scheme on a B757?

Yes please. I think it would look amazing!

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 16):
You are an evil, evil man PM!

 devil 


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3981 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8290 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 8):
Will BA be refurbishing their 757 cabins to look like the 737NG with the 'Signature' interior? IT sure would make them look good. Winglets would look great on BA's 757s, and add even more range for them. Any word if they'll get winglets too?

The cabins will not be changed. The galleys and toilets will stay where they are.
All the seats will be new. The Club seats are Old Club World flat beds, which are being refurbished. WTP and WT seats are new (last I heard there will be WT as well) The WTP seats are better than the current WTP seats.

Yes winglets WILL be installed. They are ordered and will be installed by BA at LHR on PEJ and PEK starting mid Feb.

Quoting PM (Reply 13):
Absolutely. But if they prove the concept with 757s then the 767s would open more markets because of the range and - perhaps - added passenger appeal.

If the loads are good, the B767 that are withdrawn from longhaul in 2010 (when the B787 arrive) will go to Lauren.


User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

I just can't help thinking the BRU-NYC is going to reach saturation...

For this winter we have :

9W daily 777 BRU-JFK
DL daily 767 BRU-JFK
AA daily 767 BRU-JFK (code sharing with SN)
CO daily 767 BRU-EWR
9W daily 777 BRU-EWR

And now BA ? Can the Brussels-NYC market support so many flights (even counting connections) ?

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8193 times:



Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 19):
And now BA ? Can the Brussels-NYC market support so many flights (even counting connections) ?

Don't forget that many of the passengers who will use this service might previously have used BA via LHR. Direct flights are obviously more convenient for passengers and by skipping LHR BA are freeing up extra capacity there.


User currently offlineJimbo27L From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7609 times:



Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 20):
Don't forget that many of the passengers who will use this service might previously have used BA via LHR. Direct flights are obviously more convenient for passengers and by skipping LHR BA are freeing up extra capacity there

Indeed. And dont forget that the CW and WTP only cabin will give it an exclusive feel which will no doubt prove to be a great selling point over the competition....


User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7595 times:



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 10):
Will they be getting winglets on these 757's or will the fewer amount of seats make up for that?

A British Airways 757 with winglets! Now that would get me excited!


User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7475 times:

Nothing loaded in my GDS yet....


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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7395 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7272 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
It is not known what brand it will fly under

Has to be basically a BA / British Airways brand if they are to build on the existing BA brand franchise. How about 'British Airways New York'? They could use the existing Union Flag livery and simply add to the existing titles.

An original thought? Well, not exactly. Remember these:

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25 Theginge : This article was in the Sunday Times but has only just appeared on the internet now for some strange reason. I don't think anything will be loaded in
26 AIR MALTA : I would have thought FRA would come before BRU. Anyway, BA should hurry up because the competition seems to be more organized and inspired with new se
27 Airbazar : You have it backwards. BA announced Paris-NY before AF announced LHR-LAX.
28 Aircellist : Aaaaah! The Landor livery... Why on earth did they have to change that? OT, sorry, but I always feel the same whenever I see it...
29 Post contains links BCAL : Ask and ye shal find the answer here The BA board was out-of-touch at that time as it was the British air of arrogance and detachment that actually a
30 LAXdude1023 : Oh, my bad. Oh well, the same princple applies.
31 EXAAUADL : AF flying LHR-LAX and BA flying NYC-Europe show precisenly why the airline industry is a fundamentally flawed business. Airlines dont stick to their c
32 ElmoTheHobo : I wonder if BA will extend an olive branch to American and get into some kind of deal with them with this service, something like AF/DL - lite. Amen.
33 FlyMeToTheMoon : I would love to see the old IAD-TXL flights resurrected. LH used to fly it for a very short little while and discontinued it due to low load factors.
34 MAH4546 : Nonetheless, they are flooding the market with cheap fares between NYC and Brussels. Plus, AA will soon be codesharing on these routes. And let's not
35 RoseFlyer : That may be true, but these new flights are giving passengers more options. More options and possibly lower fares are good for the consumers. That's
36 Post contains images Rockinflyer : Since that is fundamentally true, would some please come in and lose money on LAX-BRU?
37 Sketty222 : This is what the consumers want and I have a funny feeling that BA might actually make this work
38 Lono : You are correct.... Everyone does it....and with "Free Sky's" looming what will happen with the US airline industry betting on international routes t
39 Gemuser : Sorry, but IMHO this is just wrong! On 31/3/2008 there will be a fundamental change in the trans Atlantic airline business. Very significant things t
40 Rockinflyer : Excellent point!!! No one has a crystal ball as this is a completely new frontier. Only time will tell.
41 Viscount724 : If everyone else took your advice, Toyotas would only be sold in Japan and BMWs in Germany.
42 Theginge : Of course businesses branch out to make money, why should they stick to their core routes?!?!?! It is not a fundamentally flawed business. So in that
43 BrightCedars : Well, actually you should really factor in the 9W flights in the equation because 9W's traffic mostly originates in India and they have little intere
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