FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10692 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1): he needs to be wacked on the head.
That would be the South of the Border approach. The man is obviously mentally sick, and was being calmed down by one of AC's finest Service Director's. As inidicated on the video clip, it was on a YYZ/LHR flight.
Irobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 552 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10521 times:
Good lord... This guy is convinced that he's going to get shot. The only thing he's going to get is a ban from Air Canada. Passengers: looks like a typical Canadian reaction. "Just ignore him, he'll calm down eventually."
I worry to know what would have happened on an American flag carrier. I fear mass pandemonium would have broken lose.
BlueSkys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10497 times:
It is great the way the situation was handled. With calm and some plastic handcuffs....I have never seen a panic attack like that, the guy must have had a huge fear of flying.
CBPhoto From United States, joined Dec 2003, 765 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10282 times:
yeah...I agree that there is something definately wrong with that individual. I will say one thing though, and that is the crew handled the situation remarkably! I know in the US, they would have zip-tied his hands, dragged him to the back of the plane, diverted the flight if needed, and handed him over to the police the second they could. Good job to the crew for handling the situation professionally!
Sh0rtybr0wn From United States, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10273 times:
He's obviously paranoid and psychotic. He might be off his anti-psychotic medication, or altitude / dehydration / stress all could have sent him over the edge. Lots of people are on those meds; its a bigger problem than most people think.
Three of the top 20 drugs by sales are anti-psychotic drugs and sometimes they still dont control a persons symptoms.
I think it was handled decently, and AC did the best they could. He had to be restrained and it was a a large disturbance to the other passengers who didn't over react.
That would have been the loudest / wildest flight I have ever been on.
But its good that most people on the plane showed a some compassion for a very confused and disturbed and frightened human. Maybe AC will give the people in the cabin vouchers for their inconvenience.
YOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4411 posts, RR: 33 Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10184 times:
Quoting FlyEmirates (Thread starter): Thought you lot might find this clip interesting, I find it rather sad that have an increasing amount of 'white hating' undesirables coming to the UK.
I imagine a lot of them come from Vancouver
Quoting FlyEmirates (Thread starter): Anyone know what was the outcome, is he now living happily on benefits in hounslow or did he receive any sort of sentence for this outburst?
Let's not stereotype too much now. Besides he would do much better to leech off the Canadian gov than the UK.
The guy has obviously lost the plot. Good thing he was restrained in time.
YOWza
Airports flown this year:RGN,KUL,LHR,LAX,YOW,YTZ,MDW,SEA,SCL,EZE,AEP,IGR,MDZ,IAD,YVR
AZO From United States, joined Jun 2002, 761 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9948 times:
while it very well could be a psychotic crisis, his level of personal fear and paranoia actually looks like it could be drug induced as well. no matter the cause, those on board handled the situation great by not threatening him, remaining calm, and gently restraining.
Quoting Skoker (Reply 11): Do airlines carry Lorazepam/Diazepam onboard for situations like this?
i think you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find an airline willing to take the responsibility of carrying a controlled substance on board for purposes like this. the only one's you would find would be someone's personal prescription and its pretty ill-advised to give some to someone else. plus this guy doesn't seem as though he would have been cooperative enough to willingly swallow a pill.
UncleBuck From United States, joined Aug 2007, 121 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9845 times:
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2): That's a somewhat disturbing scene. That man is having a panic attack and it looks like he's being restrained.
And rightly so. You have a problem with protecting the security of an aircraft @ cruise? Panic attack or not he was obviously not in a healthy state of mind for his own, and especially others', safety.
Eghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9825 times:
I thought it was interesting that the woman sitting in the seat in front of the man was completely ignoring the situation. Maybe we are just becoming inured to strange things happening when we fly.
I remember flying from NRT to LAX and a man collapsed in the aisle next of me. The flight attendants came up with an oxygen tank and got him back on his feet and into a seat, but the other passengers complete ignored anything that was happening.
IAirAllie From United States, joined May 2004, 2712 posts, RR: 20 Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9716 times:
Quoting Eghansen (Reply 16): but the other passengers complete ignored anything that was happening.
It's not so much ignoring as keeping out of the way so professionals can do their job and giving the person with a medical issue some privacy in an otherwise public area. I'd rather have that than a planeload of lookyloos getting in the way.
UncleBuck From United States, joined Aug 2007, 121 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9690 times:
Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 18): It's not so much ignoring as keeping out of the way so professionals can do their job and giving the person with a medical issue some privacy in an otherwise public area. I'd rather have that than a planeload of lookyloos getting in the way.
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Unless you are a nurse or a doctor or of that sort, you help best by staying in your seat.
Dcayow From United States, joined Nov 2003, 540 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9688 times:
Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 3): That would be the South of the Border approach.
Quoting Irobertson (Reply 5): I worry to know what would have happened on an American flag carrier.
Unfortunately, we don't live in a world like Canada - in which some harbor the belief (however naive) that their dominion has no enemies.
The USA has enemies and these enemies used instruments of civil aviation as weapons in a "Battle of Manhattan". So you will have to forgive them for episodes of over-reaction and insensibility.
If you really worry about how a US flag carrier would have reacted in this situation - you really have no worries at all. I worry about things far more sinister.
MarkHKG From United States, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 832 posts, RR: 2 Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9601 times:
Quoting Skoker (Reply 11): Lorazepam/Diazepam onboard for situations like this?
Sedatives are not a required part of the Enhanced Medical Kit on board. In reality, this is probably a good thing as I remember a case in the literature where a disruptive pax died after diazepam was given to them (orally) by an onboard physician who had it with him.
Having said that, injectable Benadryl (Diphenhydramine) is required to be in EMKs, and it does have a mild sedating effect. I could imagine an on board physician thinking out of the box and injecting that. (Or perhaps ordered to onboard paramedics or nurses via the Medlink physician but I highly doubt they would allow it.)
Release your seat-belt and get out!
26 FLYACYYZ: Justifiably, we live in an overly sensitized state of high alert. That being said, the mentally sick (regardless of their ethnic origin), need to be
27 Flyingcat: I'm guessing the movie Airplane was not allowed to cross the border. eh BTW my response was facetious. eh
28 777STL: What the hell is that supposed to mean?
29 Acey: I think he's suggesting that it would of course be an American stating that he needs a whack on the head. Seems to be a generally violent nature to y
30 Emirates773ER: Just talking to someone from AC who knows the cabin director on this flight, he is actually the one tieing the hands. Hopefully he should be able to r
31 IAirAllie: So true! That is not the American approach either. Most cases like this on American carriers are handle with the appropriate level of force. ps. what
32 Tonystan: Perhaps the chap was a deportee, I got the impression that the lad sitting to his right was actually trained in restraint of sorts by the way he was h
33 IAirAllie: gotta give the guy points for creativity
34 Threepoint: Would this necessarily place somebody on a permanent no-fly list? I wonder what air carriers' policies are - as he was clearly not intending to be di
35 IAirAllie: Intent isn't really relevant when your behavior puts other people at risk.
36 Sh0rtybr0wn: Since nobody else said anything.... The Canadians think of us Americans as South of "their" border, in the same way we think of Mexicans as South of
37 CO777DAL: HAHA and here I was thinking of Mexico being from Texas and all, trying to figure out what he was talking about, not knowing he meant USA.
38 Sebring: Tazing is a sensitive issue here since the RCMP zapped that poor Polish immigrant and killed him at YVR a few weeks ago. But yes, this was handled wi
39 FLYACYYZ: I simply said South of the Border, meaning, "not here in Canada". No reference was ever made to America, American, or the U.S.
41 TUNisia: AC handled the situation perfectly. Kudos to that male FA for keeping cool... really top notch work and all the while treating the disturbed pax with
42 707lvr: Well, I will take a stab at a diagnosis: raving paranoid schizophrenic off his meds. Down here south of the border, once the inevitable panic had subs
43 Ikramerica: Wow, how enlightened. The "typical American response" to every situation is not violence. I see heroism and compassion as the response when I see ten
44 Tonystan: Thats not the impression left on my mind by some of your fellow nationals on this thread!!!!
45 Ogre727: I just watched a part of it, but had to stop. It was very disturbing. What I watched suggested to me that he was having a panic attack and lost contro
46 FXramper: AC pilots are a lot more tolerant than AA pilots. My uncle flew BRU-ORD about 4 months ago with an unruly passenger. He had the FAM secure the pax and
47 VonRichtofen: Good thing he waited till he was on the plane. If he started up while still in the Airport he could have been tased to death! I'm curious to know how
48 Kriegerkaiser: God, this is soooo sad. As a nurse, I can only imagine what this guy is going through psychologically. That being sad, it probably would have scared t
49 Connector4you: The program, called Passenger Protect, has been set up by Transport Canada officials to prevent passengers considered immediate threats from boarding
50 Milan320: Surprised they didn't call the RCMP to taser him and kneel down on his neck and choke him /Milan320
51 Georgebush: What would have been more sad is when someone laid him flat out which they should have done. That guy should not have even been on the plane in "that
52 SKAirbus: Of course they did and we understand why the US has extra security measures in place but the US authorities have always been known to be a bit more h
53 LHR777: A pointless remark really - unless the RCMP have the ability to board an aircraft at cruising altitude and TASER a passenger......
54 SupraZachAir: Oh, for the love, he was referring to the movie Airplane!... get over it already. It was a joke. See:
55 Albird87: I think actually she looks possibly scared of the situation and is actually doing the right thing. Staying out of the way and letting the pros handle
56 DCAYOW: He was NEVER treated like a terrorist. Remember he was on AIR CANADA. People are ASSUMING IF he had been on AMERICAN, DELTA or UNITED, he WOULD HAVE
57 Emirates773ER: I can assure you that this person is not a muslim, at least not a practicing one.
58 Flyingcat: At least someone notices that it was only a joke. You know it is pretty sad day when only one person picks up on the "Airplane" reference. Personally
59 XXMHxLHx5LXx: Hmmm... airliners.net and so few know about one of the top 10 funniest movies ever made movies called "airplane?" incredible ... ) Well... but I can
60 Biman: I've enjoyed reading this thread. The input from most of the Canadian posters is very very impressive - kudos to you all for the compassionate, humane
61 Jamincan: Aside from the first response, I don't see anything overly bothersome about the tenor of the responses from Americans here. Most seem to acknowledge
62 Chgoflyer: My worry would not be how a U.S. Flag carrier would have re acted. My worry would be how fellow passengers on a U.S. flag carrier would re act.
63 IAirAllie: And you know he is muslim how? I didn't see the I am muslim stamp across his forehead. Maybe I missed it.
64 Riyadhnurse: I don't think that was a "panic attack". Looks as though he had a full blown psychotic break,raving , paranoid,and delusional.Maybe he was off his med
65 Jacobin777: ....drugs as such would need a prescription.....the man might have a multitude of problems which might even become exacerbated with the medications y
66 Slider: Where's the duct tape when you need it?
67 Threepoint: Nice. Forgive me if I haven't memorized every line from a movie I found funny as a kid, but haven't watched since. Apologies to Flyingcat, I did miss
68 Vincewy: or straight jacket, which can be used over and over again.
69 SirDeath: Wow, the interior of the AC 777's looks beautiful! They sound so quiet too. The lighting being the twilight shade has a natural calming effect. AC did
70 Abrelosojos: = I am not saying one way or the other ... but how can you be assured that this person was "not a muslim, or at least not a practicing one". All he s
71 Georgebush: To agree with what Jamincan said, how are the Americans being immature?? Quite frankly you didn't wake up on 9/11 to realize your country was under-a
72 EXAAUADL: you mean Mexico????? I dont think we was mentally ill..just having a "episode"What I'd like to know was there no one traveling with him or how did he
73 Aloha73G: Similar situation happened to me while I was flying with HA. An elderly male passenger "lost it" between the beverage and meal service on a SAN-HNL fl
74 Threepoint: Really? You have insight the rest of us don't have? On what do you base your assumptions? I'm pretty sure the surviving CVRs didn't capture anything
75 JGPH1A: Don't think it's a panic attack - I know what those look like and that wasn't one. Clearly he'd lost it completely, the crew seems to have done a goo
77 Iflyac: He's lucky this didn't happen at CYVR. The RCMP would have tazered this one for sure.
78 BlueSkys: I think it is sad and pathetic, very pathetic actually that you would make a joke about something like that.... Wow, the more I absorb your comment t
79 Jacobin777: ..there are subtleties which many people such as Emirates773ER and myself were able to pick up...its like that with many people of many nationalities
80 Georgebush: So your saying that anyone who commits suicide and at the same time also takes the lives of 200 passengers IS in perfect mental health?? Okay a man o
81 ACDC8: No. No. Seems more like they were all pretty calm and more worried about his safety as well as their own.
82 Jacobin777: ..stop right there.. the man isn't of middle eastern descent......that is why Emirates773ER and I can say with good certainty he's probably not a Mus
83 EXAAUADL: he's probably hindu and he looks indian.
85 777STL: I think his point is that no matter how superior and more progressive you Canadians think you are over us Americans, incidents like this show you to
86 OHLHD: The worst serial killers in history were at good mental health. I read a book once which showed the " brilliance of such killers" in their doing. The
87 RIPCORDD: Ok i did not see any FA'S at all it looked like all passengers talking to him and I give them great credit cause if that happen on a US flight without
88 Threepoint: Careful. You're wielding a pretty broad brush there, which indicates to me you actually have no idea what all 33 million of us think. I certainly hop
89 Ualcsr: Did anyone here finally find out what actually happened after the incident in this video? And more interestingly, I'd like to know what happened befor
90 777STL: Yes I am, but that goes both ways as well. I know fully well that's not how all 33 million of you think, but somehow, it seems every thread here pert
91 OHLHD: The poster of the video writes that he thinks that the passenger was provoked or encouraged to this persons paranoid behaviour by other passengers.
92 Georgebush: Just because I happen to disagree with you, does not mean that I have not formed my own opinions about the world. I have strong opinions indeed, but
93 SafeFlyer: Found an interesting article today on this specific video in the Ottawa Citizen saying that this had started as the aircraft was approaching LHR, whic
94 Emirates773ER: Very true Jacobin, I could not have put it better myself. Reading your opinions one can easily make out your line of thought. Hell, you could not eve
95 Threepoint: Then in future, please direct your comments towards the specific people you disagree with, rather than towards a country as a whole. Two wrongs does
96 IAirAllie: What excellent advice. One that EVERYONE should heed including all those who made snarky comments about Americans. Distraught people can become very
97 Threepoint: Nobody is arguing that point. What many seem to be failing to understand is that you don't have to beat the piss out of a distraught person to neutra
98 Czbbflier: Here. Here. I hope the guy is OK.... assuming the flight was on descent into LHR, lucky this didn't happen 1/2 way across the Atlantic... can you ima
99 QantasHeavy: Any time anyone is acting irrationally on a commercial airliner there is serious cause for concern. How many times do the police deal with people in t
100 Georgebush: Two restrained passengers yes, but a safe landing for everyone else on board. I said above that THIS situation was handled (luckily) quite well. It c
101 Maverick623: Being simply distraught is one thing, physically and verbally acting out irrationally and causing fear among the passengers and crew crosses the line
102 IAirAllie: Agreed, It is way that similar situations are generally dealt with on US carriers as well. QantasHeavy welcome to my RU list. What a thoughtfully rea
103 Abrelosojos: = Jacobin777, Emirates773ER ... interesting perspective you 2 have. I understand you can look at someone and say they are not a Mid-Easterner ... but
104 DTWAGENT: Hats off the the AC crew for the way they handled this. And yes, if this had happened on a US carrier things would have been a lot worse. All though I
105 Emirates773ER: Me and Jacobin can tell he is a non-muslim indian because we are pakistani's ourselves and know the differences between a indian and pakistani. Being
106 Jacobin777: ..... ...I would add that the way he speaks, his accent amongst a few other things lends to a lot of credibility that he's of Indian origin and not M
107 Sh0rtybr0wn: What? Its spelled pacifist. Its better to be rational than strong around a psychotic person. Understanding and compassion are always better than viol
108 AT: The crew acted fine I think and did best with the situation. Being forceful enough, but not unnecessarily aggressive. But more importantly, how did th
109 UAL747: Someone brought up the question of benzodiazepenes, and I too often wonder why airlines don't carry that on board, such as alprazolam, diazepam, ativa
110 BlueSkys: I am sure that is what he wanted to do, Maybe they should have killed him???? The video clearly shows the humane ways of treating the panicked person
111 Sh0rtybr0wn: First of all, its a controlled substance. Do you say " Excuse me Mr. ranting out of control person.... would you like to self administer a strong hyp
112 BlueSkys: A very good post, Kudos! I could not agree with you more....
113 Sebring: One of the individuals in the video - man with a beard - is one of Air Canada's best and most senior in-flight service directors. So no, the passenge
114 MarkHKG: I would also be concerned about differential diagnosis, like hypoglycemia. A symptom of hypoglycemia includes sudden mood changes, sometimes violent.
115 F9Animal: Hold on just a second. Last time I watched a hockey game, I could have sworn the old Canada fists and sticks were the one's being used in the violent
116 Georgebush: Maybe if you read further than the last sentence of someone's post like your mate Threepoint, you would find out that I wasn't even referring to this
117 Threepoint: OK, Ben, let me be very clear in letting you know that I have read your post word for word several times. You are now altering your argument to a hyp
118 ACFA: The service director is wearing the AC christmas tie.
119 ACFA: The purser is the one putting him in restraints.
120 ACFA: News article here confirming that the purser took part in restraining the individual. No diversion was made. Panic attack on Air Canada flight unlikel
121 N1120A: Canada seems to have gotten along fine for quite a long time. No. There is never an excuse for over-reaction and insensibility Last time we heard abo
122 Acey: You wouldn't happen to be speaking of the NHL, based in the...United States, were you? It's a moot point. Other than hockey, Canada is known as a pea
123 Abrelosojos: = As someone who just spent the last 30 hours in an airport, I just got drunk last night next to a completely trashed muslim man from LA who thinks h
124 MD11Engineer: I hope the cleaners in Kingston gave him a bucket and a rag to clean up. Alternatively, show him the back of the hangar... I have heard about a drunk
125 Siren: Add me, a native born American citizen, to the 'list'. Though I'm not so much shocked, as I fully understand the outright hysteria that my fellow cou
126 Qantas83: It appears that this poor man was having a psychotic episode. It's probably unlikely that he is Schizophrenic. In truth, one can have a psychotic epis
127 Emirates773ER: Really is it so hard to understand ? Find me a Muslim guy with the name Jai and I may look at your argument. Very interesting, because I never seen a
128 Jacobin777: who said "100%" certain? But there are a bunch of people here who are saying the same thing..maybe you should accept the fact some people here know w
129 FFlyer: Several people have expressed my sentiments about this above, but as an American, and a New Yorker, I want to say it here, too: I'm totally sick and
130 Abrelosojos: = I think your argument on whats "practising muslim wearing gold" and "goes against the very religion" is a slippery slope. A study of recent headlin
131 Abrelosojos: = . Just curious, who are the "bunch of people here" saying that he was a Hindu Indian. I mean besides you 2, there is probably 1 more? He probably w
132 N1120A: Not really. There are no prohibitions on wearing gold for the sake of wearing gold. If you read further into the ahadith, it is that gold and silk we
133 AT: no one has commented thus far on the appropriateness of posting such a video on-line in the first place... As a member of the medical profession I wou
134 Jacobin777: ..can't say he was a nut....not to mention I care because Muslims are getting an undeserved "bum rap" for this particular situation ....they are up t
135 Abrelosojos: = Hmmm ... ok, so you don't want to jump to conclusions that he is a "nut", but can do so on other levels. Interesting. Honestly, I have read the res
136 Abnormal: . I've no legitimate opinion on the privacy issue - public behaviour is what it is, but I do feel sorry the fella. Maybe he was on Meds and in combina
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