KL From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1748 times:
Why is it that parentes have no control over kid in flights. Apparently it is an accepted practise to leave your kids unattened and screeming for hours!
Surely there can be a limit of how many kids can be accomodated on a certain plane and all these kids + plus their parents could then be assembled in one closed off part of each cabinclass. Then kids could run as wild as they want, scream and burp to their hearts content and the rest of the flight could have some peace and quiet!
Why do FAs lets unruly F/J/C-class kids wonder down to Y-class! Lets them stay in the booked class and disturb pax there!
JWM AIRTRANS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1512 times:
It is a good idea... and truth is, I get annoyed a lot by this too, but there is nothing you can do about it really. Now I think it is horrible that an airline would let a child that is in first por business class wander into coach class, I don't think the kids should be able to wander at all, but as long as they're in theior seat, they just have to be tolerated.
747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1507 times:
I took a flight to Asia a few years back on a 747, in business class, with my (now ex)wife and child. There were two children who ran around the entire length of the aircraft screaming and screeching and annoying everyone. They ran up and down the steps, they tore up magazines, spilled soda on another passenger and made noise thru the entire flight. It was so bad that the purser made the parents control their children.
"Your" rotten children are not "my" problem......and no I do not want to have to put up with "your" children, especailly at 40000feet..... It is inconsiderate to other people to instill their childrens' misbehavior on others. In a restaurant or mall, you can just change yoour seat or gosomepleace else. A plane is a confined space; but that is still no excuse for such rudeness.
If you cant control your children, you should stay home.
Why was it on that plane, there must have been a dozen other (younger)children who were well behaved and two who were animals out of a cage?
BTW, I have children, who do travel (and did with me on that flight).
EyeSky From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1460 times:
Taking your kids on an aircraft is just like taking them anywhere else in public. Not all kids act like brats either. You've probably flown many times with well behaved children, you just weren't aware of it because they didn't draw your attention as much as the poorly behaved ones.
As parents of 4 children (all 14 and under), my wife and I feel that it is important to teach our kids how to behave properly in public, whether in a restaurant, theater or on a 6 hour plane flight.
We have had FA's roll their eyes when they saw us coming down the jetway with our troop during pre-boarding only to congratulate us at the end of the flight on how well behaved our children were. The overall responsibility for children's behavior lies with their parents. Unfortunately, many parents don't accept that responsibility.
I fly frequently both with and without my family and understand how annoying unruly children can be. Instead of taking it out on the kids, why not address the real cause of the problem - the parents.
Hepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1443 times:
I do agree that parents should exercise more control over their kids. It has nothing to do with anyone hating kids, and everything to do with being considerate. Yes, it is true that children will be children, and it's difficult to keep them confined for 3 hours, much less 8. But it's still up to the parent, to instill some type of discipline in the child. I travelled frequently as a child, and I'm talking about ages 2-10, and I was NOT allowed to run around the aircraft, making a lot of noise and being a nuisance to other passengers. My mother saw to it that I sat in my seat, she took me to the bathroom whenever I needed to go, and even entertained me and answered all my questions the best way she knew how.
What's wrong with that? Why should anyone put up with another parent's lack of constraint over their child?
AC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1427 times:
wishihadalife - It's amazing how you've posted once and have 4 users that respect you. As someone who is a "Retired Professor of Astrophysics" you are well-educated. And therfore should be a bit more accepting. Since you are retired, that says you have been teaching for a number of years and have seen many people. One would think you would be more tolerant of people that are different from yourself. This includes children and young adults and teenagers.
Anyways, there shouldn't be a kid-free area. This would be a PR nightmare for any airline. Kids need to get from point a to point b as well. And I think it is the parents that need to be reprimanded, not the kids. Maybe we should have an "air-rage" free area while we're at it.
Orlo3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1405 times:
It's not usually the kids that are the problems, it's the parents. I was on a flight last year where a kid was playing a very loud video game without turning the sound off. The mother was oblivious to the annoyed stares she was getting by everyone sitting in close proximity. I finally called the flight attendant (I didn't want to get into it with the mother personally because if she is rude enough to allow the behavior then she probably wouldn't take too kindly to my request) anyways, I asked the flight attendant to ask the mother to turn the sound off of her kid's game. She said she would be more than happy to since it was bugging her as well. The mom was not very gracious when asked to lower the volume. Some people have absolutely no respect for others.
FlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
We ought not to have "kid free" areas, but the airlines ought to put all the families with children together. They could give the kids toys like lots of the European carriers do. Am I the first to note that it is in a kid's nature to be noisy? I was noisy and so was my sister and so was every small child on a plane during 15 years of air travel. Thus if we put the parties with small kids together, we'd only bother the families are used to the noise. Moreover, kids with other kids are more likely to be quietly entertaining than kids who are bored.
An airline could be super-profit oriented and put the high-level frequent flyers as far as possible from the kids so as to ensure that the frequent flyers had pleasant flights. That's what I would do on my carrier.
N-156F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1361 times:
If I may be so blunt, grow up. Kids will be kids. Forcing them and their paying customer parents into a closed-off section in the back of the plane is dumb and unfair. If you don't like it, go drive the friendly highways. I hear Greyhound has some new "Super Friendly Fares"...
BTW- How come KL no longer exists? Was this his first post? Popular, huh?
Qantas747-sp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1344 times:
There is no excuse for a childs misbehavior.
The parents, as parents should, controll the child and make sure that this child is polite and will not make a nuisance of itself in public. Many years ago, my wife and my 1 year old son were travelling on TWA from JFK-LHR and my son was crying and practically screaming the whole way. This was not in his nature, and the few complaints that were passed on to me through the FA's, were apologetically accepted. So when we got to London, it turned out that my son had contracted Scarlet fever. So sometimes people cannot help their child from crying. But making noise and being unruly--no excuse. I totally agree with the idea of keeping families close to each other and near the back of the aircraft (but not in a cordend off section).
Qantas-the spirit of Australia
p.s: most airlines provide childrens packs--Qantas has ones called "Max Packs" which my kids love.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1341 times:
Just a note from the other side of the fence - I was a very frequent traveller at a young age and I completed my first million miles flown by the age of 15. However, if my mom is to be believed, I never gave the slightest hint of trouble on a plane (except when I bawled after jumpseating into KaiTak aged 7, but that was undertstandable). So maybe its not all kids who are that way....
QantasA330 From Iraq, joined Dec 2000, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1314 times:
Leave the kids out of A.net??? You must really be an old fart. PaLEASE spare us of your childish complaints... many "kids" that use this site know a shitload more than you do wishihadalife. If you don't like the people on this site - you can leave - nobody will give a damn; I promise you!
*Now on to the REAL issue - Kids will be kids. But I agree that parents should be more responsible for their children. But segregated seating??? That'll be the day!
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1312 times:
USAFHummer - I'm an airline brat - dad is with an airline and was posted all over the place and I essentially commuted between India (where I was officially in school) and LHR when he was posted there. Also when he was posted in PER - same deal. So it wasnt too hard to rack up the miles.
Strange addendum though - I never travelled on a paid ticket till I was 19. The ultimate in non-rev!
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 45
Reply 18, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1311 times:
I've discovered that a slingshot and some marbles fired into the back of the kids head once or twice works great. Not for shutting the kid up, but for watching him/her scream in the agony they are making everyone else suffer. Then if I happen to be spotted, quick as a flash, the evidence gets thrown under the seat hard enough to land next to the person in front of me so it makes him look like the perpetrator.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 45
Reply 19, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1300 times:
I've also heard that tranquilizer darts fired into them are quite effective. This is of course the same technique used by wildlife officials when they need to put a homing device on wildlife such as bears, lions, and rhinoceroses.
I have yet to try this method myself. For some reason I'm told that the people at the security checkpoints would frown on them.
An-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3951 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1266 times:
Well, babies will be babies and kids will be kids. Parents might not be always responsible for the behavior of their kids. But we see it all over the place - in nice restaurants, in movie theaters, in rollercoaster parks. So it's not like anything will be done about it.
Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
Corey777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1241 times:
I think any kind of banning or segregation of people with kids would cause a PR uproar...bad for business. But also, not every kid is gonna be a brat onboard--only ones whose parents can't control them. I've flown *alone* (UM) since I was 7 or 8....I was never a problem, I stayed in my seat glued to the window!
Plus give the kid pokemon or whatever fad is out there and it will shut them up!!
And then their parents will go bonkers. ANA Pokejet, anyone?
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3272 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1235 times:
I really do not think that passengers with children should be segregated on board. They, after all, have also purchased tickets for the flights (usually) and thus are entitled to select the seats which they desire. It is also true that not every child who boards a plane is badly behaved - in fact, relatively few are. I have flown many times and do not remember any situation in which a child (including myself) was particularly troublesome.
I cannot condone the really unruly behaviour of children on board planes which some of you mention, though. The hard truth is that such behaviour is a reflection of the parenting (or lack of it) which the children have had. Such is a sign of the parlous state of morals and discipline in today's world. I have in fact heard about instances on flights in which adults (including popular entertainers) have behaved very badly on scheduled flights. Is it any wonder that impressionable children emulate that behaviour?
Southwest! From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1227 times:
What are you guys talking about? I am especially referring to the one who started this topic. Children are not usually bad. I bet some of you guys remember when u were bratty kids. Children usually do not act bad. If they do, it's only because that's what every child goes through just like when puppies chew things they can't grow out of it until they are adults.
: I'm a fairly frequent flier and have flown overseas many times; I've never seen this sort of behavior on board an aircraft. Sure, kids kick your seat;
: Matt D - I hope you were joking As a parent of a two year old myself, I agree that it's the parent's responsibility to make sure their kids are well b
: Excellent advice! It is nice to know that there are considerate and caring parents!
: Wasn´t "KL" the guy who called Johan "pocket-Stalin" or something like that? Oh well, I guess that´s a relatively safe ticket out, huh? Back to the
: How about give each kid under a certain age a sleeping pill...! JK! I agree with N-156F... Kids will be kids, if you dont like the commosion hit the h
: i could not agree more with eyesky and akelley728. living in SIN with relatives in remote places in europe, we have also made our fair share of experi
: Hey I would be really interested to see how many of the people who replied in favor of kids being bad on flights where once kids as well. I am pretty
: forget the "kids" ; Society needs to set up ALCs (Adolescent Learning Chambers) in every community. Some sort ratio has to be worked out of having one
: A am amazed at how many people here are suggesting drugging their kids before a flight(The Benadryl suggestion excepted). Did anybody see those storys
: Hey man I agree with you completely! Get this, I was on a flight once, early AM, and this lady gives her child her key chain to play with otherwise sh
: How about we make the world a kid free zone!?!?!?!? This is a rediculous post. You can't make anything child free!!!
: I've gotten a number of compliments on how 'well-behaved' our daughter was after a flight was completed. What these people don't see is the total exha
: Once agian more words of wisdom. I think most of the people here will agree with you if they see a parent making an effort to keep their child tranqui
: I think why kids go wild on planes is because it is boring to sit on a plane an wacth movies that are mainly for adults. 747-451, the kids on your fli
: Ah yes, blame the airline for only showing movies that are mainly for adults. It's easy to blame the airline, but you're shifting the blame away from
: Perhaps not a "kid-free zone", but "clueless brat with their equally clueless parent" zone. As LoveField and others have noted, it ain't the child it
: Last time I was traveling with my 7 year old son it was on a flight from Amsterdam to Vancouver. It is,let's say a 10 hour trip, so it was nearly impo
: I have been on these flights, with some passengers being 15 years old, and making me mad (I would use stronger language, but I obey the rules...) They