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How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?  
User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10368 times:

With talk of Southwest & other U.S. domestic operators reducing capacity next year, they must be either parking or selling 737-300's or 737-500's or both.

How do they sell them or are many leased?

Heard that might be some heading down under?

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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10361 times:
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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10342 times:

They dispose of them like every other airline in the world does. Those worth resale are resold..... those beyond their value are scraped


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10016 times:

Well, if this photo is any indication:


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WN paints out the titles, and parks them in the desert just like anyone else  

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9959 times:



Quoting ECONOMICS (Thread starter):
With talk of Southwest & other U.S. domestic operators reducing capacity next year, they must be either parking or selling 737-300's or 737-500's or both.

How do they sell them or are many leased?

Heard that might be some heading down under?

Early last week, the first scheduled -300 retirement took place, when N319SW came off the line. It's a leased aircraft, and will be going back to the lessor in a few days. Reportedly, 2 other leased -300s will also come off the line in December, and another 3 in January 2008. Those 6 could end up anywhere, and 2 of them are non-3H4 models we acquired from somewhere else. None of the 25 737-500s have gone anywhere.

I don't know (off hand) how many are owned/leased, but IIRC about 70% of our fleet is owned and the rest leased. The original -300s (N300SW, N301SW, and N302SW) are all older than the retired N319SW, but are owned, yet their age dictates they'll also be retired at some point. Exactly when is anyone's guess, so stay tuned.


User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

They park them at middle of nowhere airports and turn them into diners.

User currently offlineRamperMAF From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9748 times:

ha Graphic, beat me to it. typical southwest fashion, huh? i sure wouldnt mind taking one off their hands, spending some scratch and turning it into a fine life-size simulator out in the back yard. like to see the neighbors beat that.

User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9736 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
and 2 of them are non-3H4 models we acquired from somewhere else.

Might these be the ex-AirCal/American -300s? (N674AA and N675AA iirc).


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26442 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9702 times:



Quoting ECONOMICS (Thread starter):
With talk of Southwest & other U.S. domestic operators reducing capacity next year, they must be either parking or selling 737-300's or 737-500's or both.

Southwest wont be reducing capacity. They may slow capacity growth, but a reduction is not in the cards.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):

I don't know (off hand) how many are owned/leased, but IIRC about 70% of our fleet is owned and the rest leased.

As I can tell, it seems that the majority of the leased aircraft are ones that were acquired second hand.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9528 times:



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 8):
Might these be the ex-AirCal/American -300s? (N674AA and N675AA iirc).

One of them is an ex-OC/AA (not N674 or N675 though) and the other is an ex-Morris bird, IIRC. Both have Boeing line numbers around that of N319SW...


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8561 times:

They leave them in mall parking lots with the keys in the ignition.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8526 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):
They leave them in mall parking lots with the keys in the ignition.

Come to think of it, we were short an originator at DTW and PHL last week....  Wink


User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8325 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):
They leave them in mall parking lots with the keys in the ignition.

Kind of like what happens in India where a 737 will show up in the street for a week, and then suddenly disappear again during the night!



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User currently offlineJpdflymhtmlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7245 times:

No no no, you all have it wrong. Disposing of an aircraft is a very painstaking and detailed process, usually involving late nights and what seems almost like games to finally finish...

Details here



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6003 times:
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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5794 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 23):
Some go to Slovakia:

If you'll search for "737-2H4" in the photo database, you'll see that the ex-SWA birds now come in a variety of new colors...  Wink

A couple have been lost in accidents by their new operators. One was written-off after a bad landing in one of the whatever-istans (Almay?) and another was lost in a CFIT crash in the Phillipines, both those events occurring a few years back. What's left of N102SW is over at the Frontiers of Flight Museum at DAL, and N67SW is parked at DAL and is use as a trainer for ramp and provisioning folks. One is a restaurant at the ARG airport up in Arkansas, and some have been broken up at MHV. There were some parked at IGM, and some of them may have met the same fate. I think a couple were also broken up at OKC and Opa Locka.


User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1588 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5457 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 24):
I think a couple were also broken up at OKC and Opa Locka.

I saw a couple when picking up freight in ARG (Walnut Ridge, Ark) as well. That was kind of a nice surprise seeing some SW 732's and CO MD-80's there at a 5000' strip. I know one of them was N90SW and the other was N86SW.
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User currently onlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2316 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5353 times:

Hey Guys:

I am new to this forum and this is actually my second post! - I am a huge WN fan and I figure I might comment on this topic.

I have had the privilege to fly on ship 322 which is set to be retired soon, Hopefully 322 wont become a restaurant or anything else like that! I suppose these a/c will still have some time left to be spent with some other airlines somewhere in the world. Maybe one of the WN employees might know this but any idea of N317WN is next on the list to be phased out- WN got it from Easyjet in 1999.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

N322SW is one of the first 6 to be going...

N317WN looks to be here awhile...


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

Wasn't there a 732, once operated by WN, that became an artificial reef a few years back? There was a big production made of it (the sinking) for TV that I remember seeing. A practical method of ridding unwanted airframes.
Regards.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4659 times:



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 19):
Wasn't there a 732, once operated by WN, that became an artificial reef a few years back? There was a big production made of it (the sinking) for TV that I remember seeing.

Nothing comes to mind... Maybe another airline's bird? Maybe I was off that day...  Wink


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4114 times:



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 19):
Wasn't there a 732, once operated by WN, that became an artificial reef a few years back? There was a big production made of it (the sinking) for TV that I remember seeing. A practical method of ridding unwanted airframes.
Regards.

IIRC, this was either a Canada 3000 or a WestJet bird...I remember watching the special about it on the Discovery channel. It was sunk off the coast of the north end of Vancouver Island...



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4061 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 21):
IIRC, this was either a Canada 3000 or a WestJet bird...I remember watching the special about it on the Discovery channel. It was sunk off the coast of the north end of Vancouver Island...

Here you go:

http://dive.bc.ca/boeing-737/boeing-737_wreck.html

Westtjet did have some ex-SWA -2H4 models, although I don't know if the one sunk was one of them... Registration number of the one sunk, anyone?


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4013 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 22):
Registration number of the one sunk, anyone?

I'll look for my diving magazine. It was an Ex WestJet, America West, something else....... I had ridden Jumpseat on it several times. Look forward to diving on it as well.

They took out the floor, so it's a big tube now. You can swim in and out through any of the PAX doors or cargo doors. A platform was fabricated and attached, to it sits above the ocean floor. You can swim under.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3520 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 22):
Westtjet did have some ex-SWA -2H4 models, although I don't know if the one sunk was one of them... Registration number of the one sunk, anyone?

It was apparently Canadi>n Airlines (ex-CP Air), registration C-GBPW.


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Don't ask me how I got that, it took lots of investigative work on my part...  Wink



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25 OPNLguy : That would be a 737-275, and not an old SWA bird...
26 KELPkid : According to a.net's database, it did some time at HP, and, amazingly enough, with a Canadian registration while there. I know leases create funny si
27 OPNLguy : I'm no legal scholar, but we used to run EI-ASH, EI-BEE, and OO-TEM without re-registering them. Ditto at Air Florida with PH-TVH, PH-TVI, G-BJSM, an
28 SCCutler : I remember flying on one of the Irish-registry birds on WN quite a while back. It was white with green and blue trim; odd.
29 Post contains links and images OPNLguy : Here you go... View Large View MediumPhoto © Alex Christie
30 Post contains images KELPkid : Leased from Aer Lingus, laddie
31 ECONOMICS : how do you find out which 733's are leaving WN fleet in next few months?
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