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Charred Body Falls From Plane?  
User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10494 times:

PARIS — The charred remains of a man thought to have fallen from an aircraft were found in a garden in a Paris suburb, police officials said Thursday.

The man was almost certainly stowed away in the landing gear of an aircraft when he fell, officials said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316706,00.html

Why would the remains have been charred by being a stowaway in the landing gear?

Hmmm...sounds like a Myth Buster's opportunity.

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User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10486 times:



Quoting Khobar (Thread starter):

Why would the remains have been charred by being a stowaway in the landing gear?

Hot brakes?


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 10120 times:

Well, extreme cold can "burn" as well as heat... Maybe that's what it was???


"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 10073 times:

Didn't something like this happen recently on a DL service from DKR-ATL?? I don't understand if these people are suicidal or actually think they can survive a 10hr flight at -60 degrees centigrade and breathing hardly any oxygen.

Would you also not be crushed when the gear is retracted?



Al Gore invented global warming.
User currently offlineGabo787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9929 times:



Quoting Georgebush (Reply 3):
I don't understand if these people are suicidal or actually think they can survive a 10hr flight at -60 degrees centigrade and breathing hardly any oxygen.

A few of this undercarriage stowaways have survived.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/867628.stm

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8S8A3SG0&show_article=1&cat=0

That's what encouraged the others to give it a shot, not to mention that most of these people are really poor and without proper education, so they do not know about the freezing temperatures and the lack of O2 that they have to face.

On the other hand, how come this guy got charred? I beleave this is the first time I hear something like that


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6698 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9774 times:

Could be a mis-translation

According to a french report

http://www.liberation.fr/actualite/societe/297821.FR.php?rss=true

Les débris humains d'un homme «à la peau mate», probablement un clandestin tombé du train d'atterissage d'un avion, ont été découvert ce matin par deux employés d'une entreprise de montage de film.

a la peau mate = dark skinned..... unless I'm missing something


The french report also, gruesomely, has that the remains were spread over an are of 50 sq metres.... and that the body was still warm (29C) so the person was probably still alive before falling.



wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9748 times:



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 5):
a la peau mate = dark skinned..... unless I'm missing something

You're not missing anything. Your translation is correct.



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6698 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9680 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 6):
You're not missing anything. Your translation is correct.

Merci. Having seen a variety of online translations I was wondering if there were other uses of the word that the media could use as a euphamism for burnt.



wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

Ahhhh, of course. Now it makes sense - these incidents happen quite often.

Geeze, charred...

Many thanks for the clarification.


User currently offlineGatehold From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8686 times:



Quoting Georgebush (Reply 3):
Didn't something like this happen recently on a DL service from DKR-ATL?? I don't understand if these people are suicidal or actually think they can survive a 10hr flight at -60 degrees centigrade and breathing hardly any oxygen.

As another poster has already pointed out, most of these stowaways are from very poor countries and don't exactly have a solid understanding of things like aircraft pressurization.

If you've ever looked up into the gear bays of a widebody aircraft, you'll know there is room for *several* people amongst all the equipment, so it makes for a tempting, albeit deadly hiding place. Imagine the total darkness, deafening noise, and the very good chance of being crushed to death by the struts, doors, and retraction mechanisms of the undercarriage. Worse even than coach.

In early 2007 a body was found in the wheel well of a DL 767 after landing in ATL from Dakar. Since then, DL's departures from DKR are trailed by a security truck as they taxi out.

This sort of thing was much more common in the '70 and '80s, particularly on flights to the U.S. coming from Haiti.

I remember a picture from Life magazine, taken in the 1970s by an amateur photographer. It shows a young boy dropping from the wheel-well of a Japan Air Lines DC-8 only seconds after takeoff. The boy, who had either slipped, jumped from fright, or been dislodged by a piece of moving equipment, had climbed aboard unnoticed in hopes of reaching Australia. The photographer, who was simply snapping shots of airplanes, had no idea he’d captured the imagine until after developing his film.


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8620 times:



Quoting Georgebush (Reply 3):
I don't understand if these people are suicidal or actually think they can survive a 10hr flight at -60 degrees centigrade and breathing hardly any oxygen.

This people are desperated. They don't know what to do to escape their misery. It's not a matter of intelligence!


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8176 times:
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Quoting Gatehold (Reply 9):
I remember a picture from Life magazine, taken in the 1970s by an amateur photographer. It shows a young boy dropping from the wheel-well of a Japan Air Lines DC-8 only seconds after takeoff.

The photo is here, if anyone wants to see...

2H4



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User currently offlineVald From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7214 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 11):
The photo is here, if anyone wants to see...

 Wow! wow!


User currently offlineVega9000 From Portugal, joined Aug 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6992 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 11):
The photo is here, if anyone wants to see...

Horrible!!!  Sad

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 3):
I don't understand if these people are suicidal or actually think they can survive a 10hr flight at -60 degrees centigrade and breathing hardly any oxygen.

If you join a severe lack of education with severe desperation, you'll understand. For many of them, suicidal is staying in their countries. And people will try anything if it means they won't starve or be killed.



Don't believe anything you read on the net. Except this. Well, including this, I suppose.
User currently offlineGabo787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5875 times:



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 5):
The french report also, gruesomely, has that the remains were spread over an are of 50 sq metres.... and that the body was still warm (29C) so the person was probably still alive before falling.

Could this indicate that the fall occurred during take off instead of landing?


User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5739 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 8):
Ahhhh, of course. Now it makes sense - these incidents happen quite often.

Geeze, charred...

Many thanks for the clarification.

Since this has been cleared up, maybe you could change the name of the thread...


AF340 wave 


User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5704 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 11):

That's why they suggest you don't remove your seatbelt.........


User currently offlineFlyingSikh From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5654 times:



Quoting Georgebush (Reply 3):
I don't understand if these people are suicidal or actually think they can survive a 10hr flight at -60 degrees centigrade and breathing hardly any oxygen.


The irony of your name and your comment  flamed 

I highly doubt people with an education and money would jump at the chance to climb into a wheel well...usually its the poor and the extreamly desperate


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5559 times:



Quoting Gatehold (Reply 9):
Imagine the total darkness, deafening noise, and the very good chance of being crushed to death by the struts, doors, and retraction mechanisms of the undercarriage. Worse even than coach.

 laughing   checkmark 



Rush for ever; Yankees all the way!!
User currently offlineSAS-A321 From Denmark, joined Mar 2002, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Well, must be just like travelling with Ryanair.


It's Scandinavian
User currently offlineYYZ757FAN From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

I reacall a similar incident at Toronto International Airport (YYZ) a few years back involving a Sky Service A320. A ramp worker from the Domincan Republic stowed inside the wheel well. wasnt found for 8 days , thousands of miles travelled and numerous landing cycles. He was frozen solid and took 3 days to defrost for the post mortem. It was amazing that he would have stayed up in the wheel well for all those cycles when surly he was dead aafter the first flight,

User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4621 times:



Quoting SAS-A321 (Reply 19):
Well, must be just like travelling with Ryanair.

Is Ryanair really that bad. (as opposed to normal coach or Easyjet or another LCC, not stowing away in an airplanes landing gear bay)


User currently offlineGatehold From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3996 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 11):
The photo is here, if anyone wants to see...

Thank you! I searched high and low for a copy of that photo. Last time I saw one was, probably, 1982 or so. It's exactly how I remembered it.


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3915 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 8):
Ahhhh, of course. Now it makes sense - these incidents happen quite often.

Geeze, charred...

I hope calling dark-skinned people "charred" doesn't catch on! That could make things uncomfortable in several parts of the world.


User currently offlineFlyingSikh From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3800 times:



Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 23):

im "brown" and kinda find it funny  Silly


25 Post contains images SQA350 : ...exactly my thoughts!
26 Wdleiser : It is just an honest misinterpretation I remember when I was young I was at Target and looked up at my dad and called the dark skinned black ... think
27 BlueSkys : I makes you wonder about the thoroughness of a pre-flight walk around. How could that go unnoticed for so many cycles?
28 Lrdc9 : Wow, the pic is kind of scary I feel bad for the guy who fell and the guy who had to realize he was there when it happened and those who had to clean
29 Pellegrine : Ghastly. I wonder why the 14yo Aussie tried to stow away.
30 Threepoint : Yes. Why? Definitely.
31 Flymad : What's even more amazing is that it took 8 Days for someone to inspect the wheel well and find the body. AFAIK, wheel wells are inspected after each
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : Can't be!! LOL. Sad about the little boy. That is a real vivid picture.
33 YYZ757FAN : [ The poor stowaway was lodged in the centre section of the landing bay and was hidden by the gear doors. Those doors only open briefly during gear de
34 Khobar : Sure, but how do I do that? Yeah, the term seemed so far off I didn't even think of a mis-translation. Wow...
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