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AA Launches ORD-EZE Today (13DEC)  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

I wish them the best of luck on this route....one which I'd definitely like to take personally!!! AA seems to be adding quite a few new Intl cities to ORD. EZE starts today, FCO to be daily this summer, DME starts next spring/summer, PEK to begin in 2009.....and I know there are a couple others I'm missing. Anyhow, I love to see the ORD expansion on part of AA. Hopefully they'll give UA a run for their money.

Schedule for new ORD-EZE flight:

AA961 ORDEZE 810p 1020a+ 763
AA964 EZEORD 850p 505a+ 763

The flight is 5628mi, and blocked at 11:10 on the southbound and 11:15 on the northbound. This has to be one of the longer 763 routes flown, up in the ranks of LAX-SVO on Aeroflot.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

It's good to see AA expand again in Argentina. This makes five daily flights to Buenos Aires on AA.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
FCO to be daily this summer,

FCO is daily every summer.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

Also launched (or, more appropriately, relaunched) today was JFK-MCO, which hits closer to home for me. I hope to make good use of it! It's great to see AA expanding again, and I'm sure many will agree. Good luck to them!  Smile

User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3758 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
I wish them the best of luck on this route

I would too. Wonder why they launched the flight since they have such strong presence in connecting cities further south.

United tried to make a ORD-EZE route work for a while and gave it up. Now they only fly there out of Dulles.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3763 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
and I know there are a couple others I'm missing.

...JFK-STN.. Smile

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
I love to see the ORD expansion on part of AA. Hopefully they'll give UA a run for their money.

...UA doesn't fly ORD-EZE but rather IAD-EZE.. Wink

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
I wish them the best of luck on this route

..me too...

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
one which I'd definitely like to take personally!!!

..ditto above...

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
The flight is 5628mi, and blocked at 11:10 on the southbound and 11:15 on the northbound. This has to be one of the longer 763 routes flown, up in the ranks of LAX-SVO on Aeroflot.

...certainly one of the longer routes...UA used to fly SFO-CDG a while back with a B763....IIRC, AA flew SJC-CDG with a B763 also (only for a few months however)....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

The longest US carrier operated 767 flight at present is DL's new ATLLOS. It's scheduled for 12.55 on the return. So for as I know, no other US carrier currently operates 767s on flights over 12 hrs.

Back to AA, it's good to see AA strengthening their presence in EZE as a result of the new treaty. UA couldn't make ORDEZE work but AA obviously has the advantage in all of S. America. Hopefully we'll see additional Argentina service within the next year.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3675 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 5):
Hopefully we'll see additional Argentina service within the next year.

I'm a little surprised we haven't already, but I guess with so many new frequencies available, there isn't a rush. I think we'll see AA MIA-COR, DL JFK-EZE, CO EWR-EZE, and AA 3x MIA-EZE by 2009/10.



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User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3650 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
JFK-STN..

I know this thread is about ORD-EZE, but I wonder how this route is doing for AA against the likes of EOS and MaxJet? I was looking at advance bookings for AA 124/125 and they didn't look too bad at all...although you can't always go by looking at advance bookings.

I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that this will be a well-performing route for AA, as since UA dropped their ORD-EZE flight, AA will be the only airline in the Chicago-Buenos Aires market. I know they've served JFK-EZE for a while, so I assume that flight is fairly successful.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
I think we'll see AA MIA-COR, DL JFK-EZE, CO EWR-EZE, and AA 3x MIA-EZE by 2009/10.

JFK-EZE on DL could be a possibility, although AA already serves the market; I'm pretty sure Aerolineas dropped out of this market, which I believe they served via MIA. IIRC DL's JFK-Sao Paulo flight has been performing well (although the flight wasn't upgraded to a 764 like the ATL flight), so JFK-EZE wouldn't surprise me on DL. The only reason that there's no EWR-EZE on CO is likely due to a shortage of suitable aircraft for the route (a 762 would serve this route best); I'd definitely expect this route once they get their 787's.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3584 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 5):
UA couldn't make ORDEZE work

IIRC, UA dropped ORD-EZE when they had to send a couple of 763s back during their bankruptcy.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3566 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
I'm a little surprised we haven't already, but I guess with so many new frequencies available, there isn't a rush. I think we'll see AA MIA-COR, DL JFK-EZE, CO EWR-EZE, and AA 3x MIA-EZE by 2009/10.

I wish UA could expand in Argentina. Seems like they might be able to make ORD-EZE or LAX-EZE work. Yes ORD-EZE didn't work the first time for UA, but the Argentine economy has heavily rebounded since then and is on fire right now. Plus tourism is growing as EZE is seen as a cheaper alternative to Europe.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3561 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 9):
Yes ORD-EZE didn't work the first time for UA, but the Argentine economy has heavily rebounded since then and is on fire right now.

ORD-EZE didn't work the first time, it didn't work the second time, and it didn't work the third time.



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3525 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
AA961 ORDEZE 810p 1020a+ 763
AA964 EZEORD 850p 505a+ 763

Why such a long time on the tarmac in EZE? to force an early landing in ORD? I wonder due to the old expression -- planes make money in the air.

Thanks!

Dave



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User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3492 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 3):
United tried to make a ORD-EZE route work for a while and gave it up. Now they only fly there out of Dulles.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
ORD-EZE didn't work the first time, it didn't work the second time, and it didn't work the third time.

As stated in an earlier post, UA just doesn't have the aircraft available to run ORD-EZE. One or 2 767s were returned while UA was in bankruptcy, along with a few 777s, which necessitated the elimination of certain routes.

Quoting Davescj (Reply 11):
Why such a long time on the tarmac in EZE? to force an early landing in ORD? I wonder due to the old expression -- planes make money in the air.

Because that's what business flyers prefer. Most flights to South American from the US, namely to GIG, GRU, and EZE are like this, as it allows people to sleep during the approx. 11hr flight and have a full day available for business, otherwise a whole day is spent just flying. There are very few daylight flights to S. America.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7127 posts, RR: 87
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3489 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
AA flew SJC-CDG with a B763 also (only for a few months however)....

AA operated this route longer than a few months. My uncle use to fill up his schedule for the month with two trips on AUS-SJC-CDG-SJC-AUS.

 twocents 


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3476 times:



Quoting Hoya (Reply 12):
As stated in an earlier post, UA just doesn't have the aircraft available to run ORD-EZE. One or 2 767s were returned while UA was in bankruptcy, along with a few 777s, which necessitated the elimination of certain routes.

Regardless, UA ended the route three times. That says a lot.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 729 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

On 5/1 ORD-EZE will go from daily to four times weekly until 10/26 when it goes back to daily...

IMHO this is not a good sign on the first week of the route. I wonder where the A/C will be used on the off days??

AJMIA



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3280 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 15):
IMHO this is not a good sign on the first week of the route. I wonder where the A/C will be used on the off days??

Considering it'll be summer, the 767s are more than likely going to Europe.


User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3266 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 15):
On 5/1 ORD-EZE will go from daily to four times weekly until 10/26 when it goes back to daily...
IMHO this is not a good sign on the first week of the route. I wonder where the A/C will be used on the off days??

Theoretically, at least in my opinion, the route theoretically looks like a good idea, as its the only nonstop between ORD and EZE. But when UA attempts the route 3 times without success, that does tell me that the market between these two cities is not very strong. However, the advance bookings on AA's websites didn't look bad at all, with tomorrow evening's flight being 85-90% full in both cabins.


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3218 times:



Quoting 747fan (Reply 17):
But when UA attempts the route 3 times without success, that does tell me that the market between these two cities is not very strong.

And again, UA is a weak brand in South America. AA is extremely well known, and will have a greater chance of success with it. The route may not be among the most profitable, but it'll do just fine. We all know that if it's a bust, AA will pull it ASAP.


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3218 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
...certainly one of the longer routes...UA used to fly SFO-CDG a while back with a B763....IIRC, AA flew SJC-CDG with a B763 also (only for a few months however)....



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
The flight is 5628mi, and blocked at 11:10 on the southbound and 11:15 on the northbound. This has to be one of the longer 763 routes flown, up in the ranks of LAX-SVO on Aeroflot.

American also flew LAX-CDG until 2000 or 2001, running in at just under 5700 miles.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 15):
On 5/1 ORD-EZE will go from daily to four times weekly until 10/26 when it goes back to daily...

IMHO this is not a good sign on the first week of the route. I wonder where the A/C will be used on the off days??

For low season, travel drops off to South America. Going down to four daily allows them to add one more 767 to the schedule, probably for European services.

I'm thinking that there may be one more European flight on American that'll use this aircraft.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3173 times:



Quoting 747fan (Reply 7):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
JFK-STN..

I know this thread is about ORD-EZE, but I wonder how this route is doing for AA against the likes of EOS and MaxJet? I was looking at advance bookings for AA 124/125 and they didn't look too bad at all...although you can't always go by looking at advance bookings.

...IIRC there was a recent thread here stating that it was doing "ok"....now I don't know what that means...I do hope it becomes a profitable route for AA as I might actually start using that flight as opposed to flying into LHR......

Quoting FXramper (Reply 13):

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
AA flew SJC-CDG with a B763 also (only for a few months however)....

AA operated this route longer than a few months. My uncle use to fill up his schedule for the month with two trips on AUS-SJC-CDG-SJC-AUS.

...thanks FXramper.. Smile I thought that route ran only for a few months......too bad AA has scaled down so much at SJC....how I loved the days of SJC-TPE/CDG/NRT/BOS/JFK... Sad

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 19):

American also flew LAX-CDG until 2000 or 2001, running in at just under 5700 miles.

..didn't know that...thanks.. checkmark 



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3080 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
..didn't know that...thanks..  

hmm you ought to have to have known about that, San Jose stole the LA flight!

It was originally LAX-ORY, moved to CDG with all the other flights. However, with SJC-LGW being banned because of the bilateral, they just shifted the flight to Paris, dropped the LA-Paris flight and figured that any remaining passengers loyal to American would just fly through San Jose, which, as you probably remember, was still an all mainline route.

This also coincided with Disney shifting all of its business traffic from United and American to Air France, on LA-Paris which killed yields on a flight that was marginal at best. United dropped LAX-Paris a little after American did, IIRC.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3067 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 21):
hmm you ought to have to have known about that, San Jose stole the LA flight!

It was originally LAX-ORY, moved to CDG with all the other flights. However, with SJC-LGW being banned because of the bilateral, they just shifted the flight to Paris, dropped the LA-Paris flight and figured that any remaining passengers loyal to American would just fly through San Jose, which, as you probably remember, was still an all mainline route.

This also coincided with Disney shifting all of its business traffic from United and American to Air France, on LA-Paris which killed yields on a flight that was marginal at best. United dropped LAX-Paris a little after American did, IIRC.

..actually I didn't know...that is why we (at least for me) come to A.net to learn, share knowledge, discuss, debate, get flamed (LoL) and show our interest/passion in aviation... Smile

thanks... thumbsup 



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3052 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 18):
And again, UA is a weak brand in South America. AA is extremely well known, and will have a greater chance of success with it. The route may not be among the most profitable, but it'll do just fine. We all know that if it's a bust, AA will pull it ASAP.



Quoting 747fan (Reply 17):
Theoretically, at least in my opinion, the route theoretically looks like a good idea, as its the only nonstop between ORD and EZE. But when UA attempts the route 3 times without success, that does tell me that the market between these two cities is not very strong.

More than that, United was the wrong airline for the route, at the wrong time with the wrong aircraft.

American has a marketing alliance with Argentina's second airline (LAN), a better configured 767 (two class), and a much stronger brand in South America. I don't think we'll see this route do gangbusters, but this is a route I'll be surprised to see ended soon, though we never know with American, IMO they're playing way too careful, and if the route gets off to a bad start it won't make it past summer.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2991 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 3):
United tried to make a ORD-EZE route work for a while and gave it up. Now they only fly there out of Dulles.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
ORD-EZE didn't work the first time, it didn't work the second time, and it didn't work the third time.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Regardless, UA ended the route three times. That says a lot.



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 15):
IMHO this is not a good sign on the first week of the route.

Im going to make a prediction: I dont see this route lasting beyond seasonal in the long run. Ive looked at the numbers in apollo (much more accurate than checking availible seats on AA.com) and the numbers dont look great especially since its high season. I also compared the numbers vs. the other AA flights to EZE (DFW, MIA, JFK) and once again they dont look great. Even though the route is new, I dont think it will be stellar at all. I also took note that the premium seats were at low capacity. I think what will happen is:

1) ORD-EZE will capture alot of the low yeilding passengers

2) It will go Seasonal only at some point soon.

But I doubt this route will be a huge success.



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25 Dc10s2hnl : Would all this ground-time in EZE be for the possibility that ASU will return as a tag-on at a later date?
26 ElmoTheHobo : IMO no, they'd route it through GRU where they have more capacity but fewer destinations. American's last ASU service was via GRU. Not to mention tha
27 MAH4546 : No, it has nothing to do with that. All of AA's flights at EZE have that much ground time. On most days, AA will have three 763s and two 772s parked
28 WorldTraveler : LAXEZE would be well over 12 hrs long. DL is the only airline that has configured any 767s with the crew rest facilities that the network carrier pil
29 Transpac787 : Huh?? All 763's have crew rest facilities as it is, because flights over 8 hours require a 3rd pilot. Also, no DL 763 or 764 has a crew bunk room. Al
30 Delta4eva : IIRC for flights over 12 hours, DL pilot contract calls for lie flat seats. This is why a few DL 763ERs now have a completely lie flat seat for crew
31 Eghansen : Actually, it is crewed in a very strange way. I recently flew DFW-SCL on AA which arrived in SCL at 7:30 am. The aircraft returned back to DFW at 8:3
32 WorldTraveler : wrong. DL has added lie flat seats in an enclosed compartment on some of its 763s. No other US network carrier has done so to my knowledge. And I als
33 Transpac787 : On the 777's, AA blocks off first class seats in addition to having the bunk room. Seats 1A and 2A are blocked, depending on if there are 3 or 4 pilo
34 Ordfrbdl : Speaking of, would be really nice to see a LAN 343 or 763 come to ORD as a codeshare with AA to do a ORD - SCL route (maybe via LIM). Or would they j
35 RIPCORDD : this route will pick up but freight on it will make it a money maker from day 1 so it will be around at least for a while
36 Cubsrule : Just to add to what Mark said above, yields would be dramatically reduced with a 'traditional' schedule (i.e. 2 hours on the ground at EZE or some su
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