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Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

It has been a while since I have posted a thread not relating to Delta or to seats/IFE.

With the growing number of Puerto Ricans migrating to Hawaii, what is the possibility of a potential SJU-HNL route? Currently, probably only a 777/A340/747 can handle such a route, however, with the 787 and the A350 on the horizon, perhaps these new aircraft could open up the possibility of such a route. HA could perhaps provide the route on a A350, or if AA orders the 787, then AA could use a 787 on such route. One issue with such pair, however, is that both HNL and SJU are considered low-yield markets. As of 2000, Puerto Ricans make up 2.5% of the population of Hawaii.


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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2372 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3645 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
As of 2000, Puerto Ricans make up 2.5% of the population of Hawaii.

Which is about 30,000 people total (2.5% of 1.2 million). Also, most of the Puerto Ricans here came in the late 1800s (atleast all the ones I know/am related to did).

I really would not consider this a sustainable route.....atleast for the next 10-20 years.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlinePhoenixflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

I would say that it would never happen. I can't imagine there is much cargo demand between the two locals or premium passengers.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

If there was such thing as negative percent, it would be in the negatives. Until then, 0%.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

What the hell for?

Go from SJU to HNL?

Why? The fifteen people a year that go from Puerto Rico to Hawaii on vacation are - obviously - braindead . . .

What market is there for that?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3593 times:



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 1):
Which is about 30,000 people total (2.5% of 1.2 million). Also, most of the Puerto Ricans here came in the late 1800s (atleast all the ones I know/am related to did).

Actually, from 1990 to 2000, the Puerto Rican population increased from 2.3% to 2.5%. Therefore, the migration is somewhat still going on.



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2372 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3555 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
Actually, from 1990 to 2000, the Puerto Rican population increased from 2.3% to 2.5%. Therefore, the migration is somewhat still going on.

That is a very, very, very small statistical increase.....pretty much insignificant.

Like most "ethnicity" surverys in Hawai'i there is always a fluctuation, mostly because everyone here is multi-ethnic and the race they choose to report often changes. For instance, my Puerto Rican relatives are all Puerto Rican, Spanish, & Portuguese plus one or more of the following: Hawaiian, Black, Chinese and Filipino. The wording of the survey influences what they mark.....they could be Wite today, Back tomorrow, Asian on Tuesday and multiethnic next week....depends on the question and the choices.

Any study of race/ethinicty in Hawai'i is flawed because none alow you say you are 1/16 of XXXXX 16 times....which is how most people here list their ethnicty (I've met people who are 1/16 of 16 things). I have seen a variety of surveys/polls/censuses which say the Japanese population here is between 20% and 50%.....the same goes for whites. Neither number is truly correct, and if I saw that one survey said 20% 5 years ago and 50% today the last thing I would think is "migration."

I am not saying there aren't any Puerto Ricans moving here (I'm sure a FEW) did. I just don't think your data supports any sort of "migration" going on.

Just curious why this route intrigues you all of a sudden??

-Aloha!



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3545 times:



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 6):
Just curious why this route intrigues you all of a sudden??

I was born in Puerto Rico, and lived in Hawaii up until 1994. And really, I am NOT making this up.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3543 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
Actually, from 1990 to 2000, the Puerto Rican population increased from 2.3% to 2.5%. Therefore, the migration is somewhat still going on.

And I'm gonna guess the number of folks in PR that wanna venture to HNL for aholiday is about zippidty . . . population increase notwithstanding . . .


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3533 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
what is the possibility of a potential SJU-HNL route?

Leisure island destination in the Pacific to leisure island destination in the Carribean. Probably not possible non-stop.
And who wants to fly 5800 miles and still arrive at the domestic terminal?  Smile

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Currently, probably only a 777/A340/747 can handle such a route,

Add the 767-200ER/300ER/400ER, and A330-200/300 to the list.


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3524 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
And I'm gonna guess the number of folks in PR that wanna venture to HNL for aholiday is about zippidty . . . population increase notwithstanding . . .

And furthermore, even if people from Puerto Rico wanted to go to HNL, it could be very easily done with one connection somewhere in the US, whether it be on CO through IAH or EWR, DL through ATL, AA through LAX, UA through ORD, etc.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21589 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Between the HNL-DFW-SJU, HNL-IAH-SJU, HNL-LAX-SJU, HNL-ORD-SJU and HNL-ATL-SJU options, all of them pretty direct except ORD, I think it's covered. If there was more demand, or a reason to move cargo between SJU and HNL (tropical island to tropical island. why?) then I might say otherwise.


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Please tell me you are joking  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Actually off topic but I have wondered why there isn't a HNL-MIA nonstop. Or is there?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3377 times:



Quoting Qantas787 (Reply 13):
Actually off topic but I have wondered why there isn't a HNL-MIA nonstop. Or is there?

There isn't. Miamians vacation in the Caribbean, not Hawai'i.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6538 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

They could use a long range C-172 and take care of all the passengers wanting to go SJU-HNL-SJU. It would rival Key West-Lenigrad for demand.

User currently offlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

How do you come up with these topics? Unreal....

If the traffic is on the increase between PR and Hawai'i, common sense prevails:

1. Why would a person leave one "island of paradise" for another?
2. There isnt any market for it. Even at 2% population. C'mon??
3. Yields would be low, low, low, low b/c most of the work force doesn't make the big bucks
on either island compared to work forces on mainland USA.
....am I wrong here....?


User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

This route has a much chance of happening as BIL-CDG!!!

zero,zip,zilch....its not happening!!!!

as stated above....where do you come up with these routes? Do you have dreams at night or just hope they add it if you post it on here?????


User currently offlineATLgaUSA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3074 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
Actually, from 1990 to 2000, the Puerto Rican population increased from 2.3% to 2.5%. Therefore, the migration is somewhat still going on.

The Puerto Ricans could have had children.


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