IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4740 posts, RR: 25 Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10286 times:
Excellent, about damn time CO got either IAH-FCO or IAH-MXP, and IAH-MAD on the flight plans......sure do hope this happens.
CO had to make some type of announcement with the new service being announced and started from foreign carriers at IAH.
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St530 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 134 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10010 times:
That list is kind of disappointing, frankly. DXB service would be redundant. FCO/MXP and MAD are exciting, but are they just conceding FRA to LH? Also, no mention of Asia (HKG, PVG) or SYD. I realize this is all very preliminary (and there *was* a press release a few months back that mentioned PVG from IAH being in the long-term plans), but still, this only fuels the "insufficient love for IAH" theory.
102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1154 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9749 times:
MAD and FCO were expected but DXB is too little too late IMO. CO doesn’t stand much of a chance on that route.
Far East Asia is what I was hoping for.
EMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 637 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9703 times:
Quoting St530 (Reply 3): DXB service would be redundant.
Not to judge, but it probably wouldn't be. EK has yet to "swear their loyalties" to any FF alliance; CO knows this and needs to keep up in order to hold onto their full fare paying business travelers...right now the only options they currently have within SkyTeam aren't even on CO metal...either on AF with a connection in CDG or on DL with a connection in ATL.
Quoting St530 (Reply 3): are they just conceding FRA to LH?
It's a known fact that many times, feeding into an "enemy FF alliance's hub" is a losing proposition for many carriers as you'll only get brand loyalty on your end of the flight. For CO as a member of SkyTeam to send lots of flights into one of Star Alliance's most important (if not the most important) hubs is a waste of effort as they're likely to snag loyal travellers on the IAH end of the flight only. Connecting passengers through IAH is redundant as most communities already have access to FRA via CO's EWR gateway (and that flight usually gets either a 764 or 772). Case in point: PHL-AMS is usually rumored to be one of the worst performers for US; CLT-CDG is a non-starter. Why? Because CDG and AMS are SkyTeam hubs; US can only pull brand loyalty on one end of the flight. Often, it only makes sense to offer such flights when the demand is so great that you'll pull enough high-paying travellers regardless (ex: LHR/LGW), or the market has few enough flights from anyone that it's anyone's game.
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Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 23 Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9690 times:
Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 4): DXB is too little too late IMO. CO doesn’t stand much of a chance on that route.
I assume you're suggesting that CO can't compete with the level of service that EK will be providing on the IAH-DXB route, or that there will be too much capacity on the route if CO jumps in.
I'm not sure about the capacity issues -- those seem like legitimate concerns -- but I believe CO would be able to compete relatively well with EK. Many business travelers in the Houston area are quite loyal to CO and its frequent flyer program, so I wouldn't be surprised if CO is able to fill a 787 on the route.
However, is CO codesharing on the EK flight now? If that's the case, there's not much point in CO flying the route with its own metal (or composites, I guess I should say).
Justloveplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 878 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9632 times:
Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 4): CO doesn’t stand much of a chance on that route.
Far East Asia is what I was hoping for.
I think they can be OK with Dubai, but that needs to be first out of the blocks. They need their best business first crews and the 787 will give them an advantage over the 777LR comfort wise. If they can compete on quality (and they already do for business) their new plane and the frequent flier base should help them get their share. Maybe they had to wait this long because the 77E wasn't up to it. Oil executives are high margin travelers.... Didn't take SIA long to get that message.
102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1154 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9622 times:
102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1154 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9550 times:
Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 7): and the 787 will give them an advantage over the 777LR comfort wise.
Well, if you mean a higher humidity rate then yes, but if you mean a hot looking FA at your beck and call, well then I would say EK 77LR would be a little bit more comfortable. Technically speaking it also has an advantage in the cargo department.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7677 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9531 times:
Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 7): Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 4):
CO doesn’t stand much of a chance on that route.
Far East Asia is what I was hoping for.
I think they can be OK with Dubai, but that needs to be first out of the blocks. They need their best business first crews and the 787 will give them an advantage over the 777LR comfort wise. If they can compete on quality (and they already do for business) their new plane and the frequent flier base should help them get their share. Maybe they had to wait this long because the 77E wasn't up to it. Oil executives are high margin travelers.... Didn't take SIA long to get that message.
I wouldn't be so quick to discount the potential success of CO vs. EK to Dubai. The connections available in IAH certainly increase the potential number of pax on any given day, even with the potentially high O&D from Houston itself.
Quoting St530 (Reply 3): I realize this is all very preliminary (and there *was* a press release a few months back that mentioned PVG from IAH being in the long-term plans), but still, this only fuels the "insufficient love for IAH" theory.
As CO doesn't have rights to China from Houston yet, and certainly aren't a given in the next round of new rights, I'd figure CO would take a wait and see approach. Plus from what we have seen in the past with the China flights DOT is giving preference for the airline that can provide more capacity. As a result IAH-China may need a 777 from the outset.
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IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4740 posts, RR: 25 Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9472 times:
If I have a choice to fly the hometown airline and they are also the holder of my frequent flyer account on a route they just so happen to fly as another airline, I'm flying the hometown folks, not a question!
Quoting Ssides (Reply 6): Many business travelers in the Houston area are quite loyal to CO and its frequent flyer program, so I wouldn't be surprised if CO is able to fill a 787 on the route.
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EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9413 times:
Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 9): if you mean a hot looking FA at your beck and call,
Why thank you. It's been a while since I was called 'hot'.
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 42 Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9414 times:
Oddly enough, EK just dropped their Hamburg to New York service citing strong competition from Continental as their reason. They are the only two players on that route, and Continental was flying a 757, while EK was flying a 777 with all the tricks in it.
Sometimes, all the gimmicks don't matter to competition, Continental's feed from their hubs is immense.
Sometimes the facts show that we sometimes don't have a clue what passengers think or care about
102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1154 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9320 times:
Also keep in mind that many oil and gas business travelers in the Houston area also have Skywards memberships. In any event, I’m not discounting FF loyalty, yes it exists. But we're not talking about racking up miles to visit grandma at the end of the year. These frequent flyers expect more for their money. CO’s product just does not cut it. Heck, some of these travelers are booking EK First Class suites rather than flying on a private jet. And throw QR into the mix and CO has its hands full.
I say it would have been better to use the 787 to Far East Asia where CO has no competition at IAH, perhaps IAH-ICN.
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9248 times:
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6373 posts, RR: 34 Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9247 times:
Quoting Ssides (Reply 6): CO would be able to compete relatively well with EK. Many business travelers in the Houston area are quite loyal to CO and its frequent flyer program, so I wouldn't be surprised if CO is able to fill a 787 on the route.
One other fact that seems to have been overlooked is that corporate contracts, of which Continental has many in the Houston area, would also tend to steer business traveler bookings toward CO.
Justloveplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 878 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 9197 times:
There is room for both EK and CO on this route. Both will draw traffic from their base regions and leverage their respective FF programs for the route, Just like BA/CO to/from Newark/IAH and London. I think the big pushing match in IAH will be QR versus EK.
Other airlines like SIA are pushing the Russian Oil route to Singapore are a bit more dicey, but it seems clever for SIA since Russian doesn't have an SQ or EK type of airline.
Quoting Artsyman (Reply 13): Oddly enough, EK just dropped their Hamburg to New York service citing strong competition from Continental as their reason. They are the only two players on that route, and Continental was flying a 757, while EK was flying a 777 with all the tricks in it.
If CO can be competitve with a 757 from a major city, they certainly can with a 787. Probably the -9.
HighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 8604 times:
What about EWR? 787?
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B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8519 times:
Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 8): Quoting St530 (Reply 3):
are they just conceding FRA to LH?
Looks that way. IMO LH will be the first to bring the A380 to IAH.
I honestly don't see LH bringing the 380 down to IAH. I think AF will be the first to bring it to IAH.
Junction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8373 times:
Quoting St530 (Reply 3): but still, this only fuels the "insufficient love for IAH" theory.
Why does everyone keep saying that? CO is only waiting for the 787 to expand internationally from IAH. What should they do now? Drop international flights from EWR just to show "love for IAH" in the short term?
Flysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7881 times:
Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 8): You’re putting too much stock into FF programs and other marketing gimmicks. It's a little bit more complicated than that.
No it really isn't that complicated. FF programs have a very prominent role in most business travelers decision making process. Piano bars, hot tubs and bowling alleys on EK notwithstanding.
102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1154 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7741 times:
Quoting B752OS (Reply 19): I honestly don't see LH bringing the 380 down to IAH. I think AF will be the first to bring it to IAH.
If LH 747 service does well this summer then I can see LH offering A380 service in the summer of 2009 especially if CO is basically conceding the route. I doubt AF will consolidate their IAH service into one A380 at the expense of their afternoon flight.
Of course if the A380 could reliably do IAH-DXB then EK would certainly be the first A380 carrier at IAH. I don’t know if EK likes to do tag-on flights but perhaps a daily A380 DXB-LOS-IAH plus their 77L DXB-IAH might work as well.
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7655 times:
this quote really sholdn't surprise any of us................its been said that we have wanted to fly these routes for some time.....the only surprise should be is announcing routes to ASIA.
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A380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7304 times:
what about IAH-TLV ??
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25 MAH4546: The answer is likely that nobody will bring the A380 to IAH. The A380 is for dense markets. Houston is not a dense market, and it is a business heavy
26 LAXdude1023: CO has already said they want to fly from IAH-PEK/PVG when the next alotment of frequencies come up. Im not sure what planes they will use. I would a
27 102IAHexpress: IAH will see A380 service before MIA. MIA won’t even be the first airport in Florida to get A380 service.
28 LAXdude1023: What other airport in Florida would see the A380 before MIA? I cant think of one. Unless you are refering to Cargo.
29 102IAHexpress: MCO. MCO's ability to attract 747s should not be underestimated.
30 MAH4546: None. Virgin isn't going to send premium configured A380s to Orlando and, even if they do, it's still until 2013. No it won't. Just wait and see. Luf
31 102IAHexpress: My bad. You’re right all A380s will first stop in MIA and then continue to their next destination. Soon after Congress will have a joint session and
32 LAXdude1023: Ok, Im going to try and inject of voice of reason into this because I like both Houston and Miami as cities and I love IAH as an airport. BA wont sen
33 AirlineAddict: Don't forget that traveling on EK gives FF miles and elite credits on CO. I wonder if this will be a casualty of IAH DXB.
34 GuamVICE: Off-topic, but I'd like to see GUM-LAX and vice versa whether it's with the 787, 777, or 764. A direct route would be nice... Feasible? I don't know..
35 CALMSP: yes, this is one route that we certainly need to fill our network. the 764 probably wouldn't be feasible, particularly b/c of hte amount of cargo that
36 STT757: Jeff has already mentioned Bangalore, Chennai, and Hyderabad from EWR with the 787s.
37 MAH4546: Agreed, with the exception of BA. Sending the A380 to MIA is absolutely logical, especially given BA/AA's inevitable anti-trust immunity and, hopeful
38 St530: To clarify, all I meant is that the route itself would be redundant of EK (as opposed to offering IAH travelers a new non-stop international destinat
39 FUN2FLY: Summed up, they list DXB, FCO or MXP, and MAD. Plus, already mentioned desire for some combination of IAH>PEK/PVG/HKG and a city in the S. Pacific (S
40 Boeing7E7: CO has elected 9 across in coach for the 787, so absent the improved humidity, the 777 would offer more comfort with it's wider seats and the same pi
41 Avek00: Nowhere in the article does it indicate that the suggested routes will be OPERATED by 787s. I suggest the thread title be amended to reflect this fact
42 102IAHexpress: What other aircraft could CO do IAH-DXB with?
43 Jacobin777: Given how EK operates....frequency over aircraft size..I think that is what EK will do first before adding any A380's to this route....especially giv
44 Pbb152: Open up a dictionary and look up the word "possible". The title of the thread is completely accurate.
45 SKY1: Is it true a rumour saying CO is going to replace their 767-400 for 767-200's next season in the EWR-MAD flights?
46 Drerx7: In all honesty...I think this Jeff is 'lying' - tongue and cheek of course. The high profile routes being launched from CO's backyard to cities that C
47 St530: I'm not crying. But let's focus on what CO actually *said* in this press conference, and not vague "already mentioned desire" that is conspicuously a
48 Thomasphoto60: Bingo, frankly that is how I read the article as well. Personally,I suspect that CO will find some excuse in '09/10' as to why IAH has seen little or
49 Cba: I could honestly see LH sending the 748i to IAH in future years if the 744 route this summer goes well. Regarding the A380 though, unlikely to happen
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