Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 18 Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 38352 times:
Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 5): I wish it does well, the same with the Sukhoi, but I worry that airlines in the west will not buy it because of the media and people assuming that it cannot be safe because it is Chinese/Russian.
I think it's success outside of China will have less to do with perceived safety (it will have to be certified by the JAA and FAA anyway if it wants to fly in the west), but more with after-sales support. And of course efficiency, purchase price and maintenance. That's what killed most Russian project so far IMHO, lousy after sales support.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11406 posts, RR: 24 Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 37826 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 7): I think it's success outside of China will have less to do with perceived safety (it will have to be certified by the JAA and FAA anyway if it wants to fly in the west), but more with after-sales support. And of course efficiency, purchase price and maintenance. That's what killed most Russian project so far IMHO, lousy after sales support.
The average traveller can't tell you where the ATR/EMB/ERJ/CRJ/etc they are flying on is made, so unless there is some sort of scandal that emphasizes the plane's origin in a negative way, it should be fine.
As its Wikipedia site says, it has MD90 tooling, an Antonov-designed wing, GE power and Rockwell Collins avionics. Think of it as an outsourced MD90++!
I agree the key to sealing the deal with airlines outside of China will be the support network. Of course, one hopes there is enough quality in the product to not need extraordinary amounts of support, but in any case, there will always be a need for routine support.
A launch order has been received for 35 aircraft, for Shandong Airlines (ten), Shanghai Airlines (five) and Shenzhen Financial Leasing (20). In November 2006, Shanghai Electric Leasing (SE Leasing) signed a memorandum of understanding for 30 aircraft, and in August 2007, Lao Airlines of Laos signed an MoU for two aircraft.
The project started in 2002. I believe Bombardier is a partner in the programme (especially the engines resemble that of the CRJ) since this year, if I'm correct, it was announced at the Paris Airshow.
KarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3004 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 37367 times:
Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 11): It looks just like a DC9/ MD80/ MD90/ 717. But the nose is different.
Specifically it looks to me like a DC9-10 with a more pointed nose and of course updated engines. Now what do we know about the manufacturing company, and its production reliability, and the cost of this aircraft.
Most of all regarding Northwest I hope A-Net member Favre chimes in on this one. I wonder if Northwest even knows that this aircraft exists.................
WarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7645 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 37303 times:
I do not know where you folks have been living, but it looks like an old design and as far as I am concerned reverse engineering by the other side of the political system is alive and well as far as aircraft goes. I guess in this politcally correct and global economy, we now call it co-operation and partnership.
It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
My point exactly, where is the competition fairness when we are dealing with a wholly owned government corporation and how can you get the figures, surely not through financial statements, or the demands of stockholders like Boeing, and Airbus have to contend with, I do not think there will be any public discussions about the need for this aircraft and whether it will be profitable, I do not think it matters too much in the business model in China.
It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
25 Cingularity: It is absolutely clear that the Chinese have "learned" a lot from their Truckliner program with McDonnell-Douglas. However, in a lot of cases, wheneve
26 ElmoTheHobo: Because it IS reverse engineered MD-90. McDonnell Douglas sent MD-90 production to China where they built the "Trunkliners" for Chinese carriers. The
27 WarRI1: I could not agree with you more about this aircraft.
28 EI321: Its being built on the Chinese licenced MD-90 production line, using the old MD-90 assembly equipment, so the Fuselage is the same. It looks like the
29 WarRI1: I am afraid that you have alot to learn about aircraft design and how it is done, on the other side of the political spectrum, let us say to be polit
30 Nucsh: So what do you get when you pair a CRJ's wings and motors with a DC-9's body...? [Edited 2007-12-15 10:42:39]
31 WarRI1: If only the greedy trade at any price group would take your advice, but we know what is important,(cheap labor) If only the people losing their jobs
32 Rheinbote: A rather unsophisticated prestige design with limited economic potential.
33 Nucsh: I'm curious to see what the flight deck will look like.
34 Gabo787: The real problem for Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, Bombardier and even the Russians, will be when the Chinese starts building this airplanes in massive num
35 Flyf15: So now its been established that this thing is a blatent rip-off (and probably a horribly manufactured one) of the DC-9 series of jets.... even using
36 WarRI1: I wonder what kind of benefits package these Chinese Aircraft workers have? Surely they have health care, they must have holiday treatment(overtime f
37 Flyf15: You mean selling their own interpretation of a Douglas airplane really cheap? First off, Boeing should be getting a portion of the profits from this