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UA Downgrades BKK To 777  
User currently offlineSFOHORIZON From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 92 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6651 times:

Not sure when this happened, but I see in United's reservation system that they have downgraded the NRT to BKK flight in June of next year to a 777. Anyone know when that happened and why? I've flown that flight several times, and my impression was that those 747s were always very full.

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User currently offlineJustloveplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1002 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6494 times:

Maybe they need the 747 for Washington/Bejing

User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6488 times:

probably needed to reconfigure it for the new seats

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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

I know technically it is a downgrade, but until they replace the seats in the 744s and install PTVs in coach, then I would consider this an upgrade!

User currently offlineSFOHORIZON From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6476 times:



Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
I know technically it is a downgrade, but until they replace the seats in the 744s and install PTVs in coach, then I would consider this an upgrade!

That's funny, perhaps it is temporary, does anyone know? My friend in BKK told me he had heard rumors that UA was going to downgrade to a 777, I said never, those planes were too full. Was I wrong?


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6421 times:

NRT-BKK was consistenly UA's highest LF flight...also there is probably lots of cargo demand as well..I was surprised that not only did UA downgauge BKK but so did NW.

User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6369 times:

They're probably trying to stimulate yields. Also, bear in mind that TG has added quite a bit of capacity of the USA-BKK market in recent years.


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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6344 times:



Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
I know technically it is a downgrade, but until they replace the seats in the 744s and install PTVs in coach, then I would consider this an upgrade!

It's not a downgrade, it's a downgauge. And as you point out, it's really an upgrade for the passengers.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6223 times:



Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
I know technically it is a downgrade, but until they replace the seats in the 744s and install PTVs in coach, then I would consider this an upgrade!



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):

It's not a downgrade, it's a downgauge. And as you point out, it's really an upgrade for the passengers.

..pipped me to the post there... Smile



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6131 times:

And its not the 1st time 777s operating NRT-BKK. Same occured in ~'05 IIRC.


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6035 times:



Quoting SFOHORIZON (Thread starter):
United's reservation system that they have downgraded the NRT to BKK flight in June of next year to a 777.

You don't hear that everyday, it almost sounds kind of weird, a route being "downgraded" to a 777.


User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5970 times:



Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 1):
Maybe they need the 747 for Washington/Bejing

This flight goes to a 777 sometime in January- I forget the exact date.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5916 times:



Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 11):
sometime in January- I forget the exact date

Jan 15th, then back to a 744 thru the summer effective March 20.



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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

Assuming this is just for installing PTVs in the 744s but how many UA 744s are currently in storage?


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User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5829 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 13):
Assuming this is just for installing PTVs in the 744s but how many UA 744s are currently in storage?

United has NO PLANS to install PTV's on their 747's. This has been noted MANY times in various threads.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5816 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 13):
UA 744s are currently in storage?

Zero. United has no 744s in storage. What might be out there are lease returns that no longer belong to UA.



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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5616 times:



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 15):
United has no 744s in storage

UA doesn't have any INTL aircraft in storage. If they did they would have pulled them a long time ago instead of closing profitable routes to open MORE profitable routes.

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User currently offlineGatehold From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4522 times:

From a non-rev point of view, both NW's and UA's flights between Narita and Bangkok have always been nightmares. They are among the most challenging flights in the world to stand by for -- *always* overbooked.

Seems odd they would downgrade to a lower capacity aircraft, but maybe the yields weren't so high?


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4369 times:
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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4351 times:



Quoting VC10er (Reply 18):
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User currently offlineSuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4245 times:



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):

Jan 15th, then back to a 744 thru the summer effective March 20.

Umm isn't this because of the Olympics? I would imagine there are a lot of "funny" temporary route "downgrades" to supply more traffic to Beijing.



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User currently offlineFXMD11 From Thailand, joined Aug 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4231 times:



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 9):
And its not the 1st time 777s operating NRT-BKK. Same occured in ~'05 IIRC.

Correct. This is not the first time we have the 777's here in BKK. There is also a seasonal background behind this decision plus there is an expected decline of tourists in 2008 plus a slow down in Thailands Economy. While these are not the only facts, there is also TG with an increased capacity to the US and Japan. Of course, on top of it, is UA's plan of reconfiguration their business class etc.

I wouldnt worry to much and presume that the 744 will be back Summer 2009. More interesting would be to look in to UA's HKG-SIN Sector.


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3843 times:



Quoting SFOHORIZON (Thread starter):
Not sure when this happened, but I see in United's reservation system that they have downgraded the NRT to BKK flight in June of next year to a 777. Anyone know when that happened and why?

UA also downguaged the LAX-NRT to a 777 which is probably the airplane which fed the NRT-BKK route.

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 6):
They're probably trying to stimulate yields. Also, bear in mind that TG has added quite a bit of capacity of the USA-BKK market in recent years.

Where? They replaced a once-daily 747-400 LAX-TPE-BKK with a once-daily A340-500 LAX-BKK. The nonstop service is more convenient, but I would not call it an addition of capacity. Their only other service to the USA is BKK-JFK, also with an A340-500.


User currently offlineChristao17 From Thailand, joined Apr 2005, 934 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3188 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 22):
Where? They replaced a once-daily 747-400 LAX-TPE-BKK with a once-daily A340-500 LAX-BKK. The nonstop service is more convenient, but I would not call it an addition of capacity. Their only other service to the USA is BKK-JFK, also with an A340-500.

Yes, but previously they only served LAX whereas with the nonstop service they serve both LAX and JFK. Additionally, they've upgraded the frequencies on both routes.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

I suspect we are going to see lots of chops and changes, such as a 747 replaced by a 777 and vice versa by UA over te next year or so while they reconfig the aircraft with the new International product.

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