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Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)  
User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

WTHR in Indianapolis reported this morning that Cape Air may expand it's Indiana service to Gary (GYY). I only watched it on TV and wasn't not able to find a link on their website. But I think it was said the the Indianapolis Airport Authority board was looking into this and nothing had been decided yet. Will FWA be next?

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User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

They are now flying EVV, SBN, IND. They will probably fly GYY when details are worked out. HUF is also interested. All flights are to and from IND Website is http://www.capeair.com

User currently offlineSkyrat From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

I don't see FWA happening. Just way too close.


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3741 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2002 times:



Quoting Skyrat (Reply 2):
I don't see FWA happening. Just way too close.

I watched the local news here a while back, and an official from FWA said that they were not interested in Cape Air to IND. I agree... what's the point when Indianapolis is a 2 hour drive down I-69? (It's also the reason why a lot of potential FWA pax drive to IND, but that's a different story.)

You can read more here: http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/9905912.html



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User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

These flights are not going to be used by the leisure traveler, but by the business traveler that has a meeting in Indianapolis and doesn't want to spend 4+ hours driving.

User currently offlineSkyrat From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1898 times:



Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 4):
These flights are not going to be used by the leisure traveler, but by the business traveler that has a meeting in Indianapolis and doesn't want to spend 4+ hours driving.

Yeah it makes sense from places like SBN, GYY and EVV. But FWA wouldn't work since you could just about get to downtown INDY in just about the same amount of time.



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User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Terre Haute is closer to Indy than Ft Wayne. I doubt very seriously that Cape Air would start flying this route. And I can also tell you that I get alot of bags from the SBN flight that transfer to DL in Indy and some from the EVV flight, so I would say that the majority of the passengers on these flights are not business people coming to Indy for work.

User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1780 times:



Quoting RampGuy (Reply 6):
And I can also tell you that I get alot of bags from the SBN flight that transfer to DL in Indy and some from the EVV flight, so I would say that the majority of the passengers on these flights are not business people coming to Indy for work.

Very surprising!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22932 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1700 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3):
I watched the local news here a while back, and an official from FWA said that they were not interested in Cape Air to IND. I agree... what's the point when Indianapolis is a 2 hour drive down I-69?

Replace the 69 in that statement with 65, and you might argue the same is true in GYY. While getting out of Chicago is terrible, the drive from Gary to Indy typically isn't that bad.



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User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1669 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
While getting out of Chicago is terrible, the drive from Gary to Indy typically isn't that bad.

You should try it in the winter with the snow blowing across the cornfields not to mention the increase in trucks!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22932 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1664 times:



Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 9):
You should try it in the winter with the snow blowing across the cornfields not to mention the increase in trucks!

I'll give you that 65 has more trucks than 69, but there's no weather difference between the two drives...



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1646 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):

Replace the 69 in that statement with 65, and you might argue the same is true in GYY. While getting out of Chicago is terrible, the drive from Gary to Indy typically isn't that bad.

The drive GYY-IND is alot longer than FWA-IND (the center city of IND that is) both miles and time wise.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):

I'll give you that 65 has more trucks than 69, but there's no weather difference between the two drives...

65, especially the Lake/Jasper County section and at times all the way down to LAF, is going to be more prevalent to snow in many wintertime setups.


User currently offline7e72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

THe drive from GYY or the vicinity may be a "straight shot" down I-65, but many that have driven that route, would say that the drive is long and boring. Yes, there is the argument that with the time you spend getting to the airport, waiting for flight, etc. you could drive it...but for those that need to get work done, could get work done during that time if they fly as opposed to driving. Plus, i would not be surprised to see Cape Air "hook up" with NW or AirTran to have connecting flights to the other cities from IND.

BTW, does anyone know how well the IND-SBN/EVV flights are doing?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22932 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1560 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
The drive GYY-IND is alot longer than FWA-IND (the center city of IND that is) both miles and time wise.

But considering IND is west of downtown Indianapolis, it's actually only about 10 miles different from the respective downtowns to IND. Bear in mind that much of the population GYY serves is closer to IND than is downtown Gary.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):

But considering IND is west of downtown Indianapolis, it's actually only about 10 miles different from the respective downtowns to IND. Bear in mind that much of the population GYY serves is closer to IND than is downtown Gary.

IND-GYY Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 25 minutes Total Est. Distance: 151.14 miles

IND-FWA Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 1 minute Total Est. Distance: 128.36 miles

Both figures are center city to center city, via Mapquest.

And despite the Castleton area mess on I-69, you'll hit far more traffic on the Gary drive than you will on the FWA drive. Lake County traffic makes that northside Indy traffic look like a county road with a farmer driving a tractor.

To throw a wrench into it, since you did say (and I agree) that the GYY area business is closer to Indy than the GYY downtown, so I'll include these two satellite hubs of business/population in the GYY catchment area.

Indy-Merrillville: Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 13 minutes Total Est. Distance: 142.64 miles
Indy-Valparaiso (already served by scheduled "charter" on a Baron 2x): Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 28 minutes Total Est. Distance: 155.29 miles

All of them are still longer and further than Indy-Fort Wayne.

But going along that mindset, there is a significantly better business/economic state in Lake/Porter Counties as compared to Allen. Gary proper excluded and Lake County is a very prosperous area, and Porter County is second to only Hamilton County for median income in Indiana. Allen County not so much.

[Edited 2007-12-16 18:45:02]

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22932 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1531 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 14):
Gary proper excluded and Lake County is a very prosperous area, and Porter County is second to only Hamilton County for median income in Indiana. Allen County not so much.

Very true; I don't think there's any question about that. But I wonder if the business community in Lake and Porter Counties isn't better connected to Chicago than it is to Indianapolis.

And at the end of the day, both Gary and Fort Wayne have far better road connections to Indianapolis than do Evansville and South Bend.



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