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ATR72 VS DASH-8  
User currently offlineQuadStarA343E! From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Both look like to me that are good planes... But I dont really know the differences between these 2 aircraft...I thought the Dash-8 was a really old plane going to be retired but until i saw the Glass cockpit and mannnn it looked like a 777! Anyway which plane has quieter cabin and how many PAX can be fitted?? Which one do YOU preffer??

rgrds--quadstarA340E

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User currently offlineKLMBlue From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

I have been on the Dash-8 only. I was on a USAirways flight from Charlotte to Hilton Head Island. There were 35 seats. It was ok. The cabin was ok, not loud but not quiet either! I thought it was an ok aircraft. I think I would not mind flying on it often!
KLM


User currently offlineCorey777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

I've also only been on the Dash; it was pretty comfortable as turboprops go and also quiet. I was on a 56-seat model (-300?) I think...that was awhile ago.

Corey777


User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

1 Vote for the DHC-8Q!
-Tom


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Gotta be honest I've only been on the DH-8-100 and I only fly on it if I can't fly on anything else 'cause it's noisy and the vibrations are annoying (painful if you have a sprained ankle propped against the bulkhead).

Both a/c are present at KCLE on a daily basis and both are really, really loud from the outside.

redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

I have also heard from various FAs that the early 8-100s are a real bitch to wrok on. Location of access door, vibrations, etc.
-Tom


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

I'm sorry, I was mistaken. The ATR-72 does not fly in/out of KCLE, only the ATR-42. We also have another high-wing duel-prop occasionally, when USAirways Exp. has an equipment change -- the Dornier 328.

redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

I've only flown on the ATR42/72. I can tell you that it in NOT a comfortable plane.

The seat reclines very little and does so in the middle of your back. I guess this is to discourage reclining.

The landing gear has absolutely no travel. You feel and hear every bump and seam from the gate to gear up.

Also, when the gear is lowered for landing, the pop of the gear doors will scare the hell out of you. Even when you are expecting it.

However, my friend is an ATR FO for AE and he says that it's fun to fly. I fly it in MS FS2K (when no one is looking).


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

I have only flown on the Dash 8, namely on the -100 model of LIAT and the newer Q300 model of BWee Express. The newer Q series of Dash 8s have noise and vibration reduction systems which make for a very silent cabin and smooth enjoyable flights. The high wing design also contributes to a pleasant ride, even on the older birds. As a whole, I enjoy flying on Dash 8s.

The Dash 8 is the most common aircraft in the Caribbean, being flown by BWee Express (3 Q300s), EC Xpress (3 100s), LIAT (8 100s and 3 300s, I think), Caribbean Star (3 100s and 2 300s), Bahamasair (3 300s) and ALM (3 300s). Surinam Airways formerly flew a 300 as well. American Eagle is the only AT7 user in the region although it and Air Caraibes fly the smaller ATR 42.

Both Dash 8s and ATRs issue an engine roar on landing due to the reversers being activated; it is louder on the ATR but not excessive. They are otherwise very quiet to the observer.

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

I've flown the ATR on:

American Eagle
MIA-NAS
NAS-MIA
FPO-MIA
FLL-NAS
NAS-FLL

I've flown the Dash9 on:

Allegheny Airlines dba US Airways Express
ITH-BOS

Relative to all the other crap turboprops (Saab in particular), I enjoy both of these planes. I found them large and roomy, stable, not terribly noisy, quick, and all around comfortable. They're certainly much bigger and bulkier than the Beech or Saab, and I feel more secure in them.

Regards,
Russell


User currently offlineQantas737 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

I've been on both the Dash 8-100 of Sunstate and the ATR-42 of Cimber. Both are excellent aircraft with comfort and quietness. But i find the ATR to be a little quieter then the Dash 8 plus it is just that little bit more comfortable. Oh and the F/A on the ATR was very nice indeed  Big grin


User currently offlineTom_EDDF From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

I've flown aboard both, the ATR-72 (Eurowings) and the Dash-8 (Team Lufthansa / Augsburg Airways) and I'd slightly prefer the ATR because of its more comfortable cabin.

Btw, the ATR 72 seats around 70 people.

BR, TOM


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1641 times:


There are basically three Dash 8s:

100/200 - 36-37 pax (depending on whether there are 4 or 5 in the last row)
300/Q300 - 50 pax
Q400 - 72 pax

there are only two sizes for the ATR family:

42 - 46-48 pax
72 - 68 pax

I have flown on members of each family, namely Dash 8-100 and -Q300 as well as ATR 42-300.
I found the Dashs more comfortable (concerning size of overhead compartments, lavs etc.), steadier in flight and giving you a roomier feeling.
Another goody is the Dash´s gear which unfolds from pods under the wings - this is truly spectacular upon landing, especially if it´s dark outside! The ATR´s gear is just under the belly, boring as usual.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

Well, I've been on a few Mesaba Dash 8s and they were decent flights.. somewhat quiet, appreciated the space in the plane... Also hopped on a Shuttle America Dash 8 - 300 and it was about the same... felt a lil nicer to be in a longer plane.

As for the ATRs.. been in both models w/ American Eagle... mainly on flights from Champaign, IL / Decatur (when they were there) and Peoria, IL... I really don't like the ATR 72.. I had a bulkhead seat and the roar of the engines was totally intolerable.. we were almost yelling @ the FA trying to have a conversation... the rest of the flight was crap, but not AA's fault.. T storm cells in the area and heavy chop.

As for the ATR 42, it's not a bad plane...

From a ground workers perspective, thumbs up to the Dash 8 over the ATR. Dash 8s sit 3'7" off of the ground, so you really don't need to jump into a bin to get the luggage out... and they have an APU.. so the pax board a very comfortable a/c (temp wise)...

Nate


User currently offlineBlujaay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Hello,

I flew on a ATR72-500 this past summer on Jet Airways, a Indian domestic carrier. My experience was quite a good one, it was quite new, a very smooth ride, and honestly you couldn't really tell you were on a turboprop unless you looked at the windows and saw the propellers. I wouldn't hesitate to fly this aircraft again.

Sanjay


User currently offlineCorey777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

...I've flown the Dash9 on Allegheny Airlines dba US Airways Express ITH-BOS...

A Dash 9, hm? I didn't know DeHavilland (excuse me, Bombardier) was making a new Dash. Was that a prototype?


Only kidding! Big grin  Laugh out loud

Corey777


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

I agree the Dash-8 is spectacular to watch on approach! The gear-under-engines is not the only difference. At night, when you have the best view of the lights, there is a difference in light conformation:

ATR: Strong white light on underside of nose; White strobes on wingtips; Red flasher on top of the fuselage, midway back; highlighted tail

Dash-8: Strong white lights behind props; highlighted tail

At least that's what I see.

The coolest thing is that when the Dash-8 passes by, the props are lit up by the running lights. The plane appears to be wearing glasses!  Smile (And with the gear location, on crutches as well...)

redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineAmtran727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

ATR all the way, felt just like an ERJ

User currently offlineMarkus From United States of America, joined May 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

The ATR-42's for Continental Express do not have any red beacons. They are all white strobes plus a white recognition light on the tail-cone. I used to work on these on a daily basis in CLE and don't remember red beacons on ours or AAEagles ATRs.

Cheers,
Markus  Big grin


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1554 times:


Redngold,
I meant it´s great to watch from the INside - you see the wheels slam on the ground, the brakes become red.
But thanks for your input, I think I´ll have a look at some here in Dortmund.
Daniel Smile


User currently offlineBUFjets From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

I believe there was an ATR crash due to ice build-up on the wings. I can't recall all the details. I think ATR's had a problem with balloon ice breakers in the wings. As a result, many airlines don't fly ATR's into snowy airports. Maybe this problem has been fixed. However, I don't see many at BUF. American Eagle only uses SAABs into BUF. I flew a Shuttle America Dash-8 last year. It was a comfortable flight.

User currently offlineATRpilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1538 times:

Ok here's the basic differences lowdown on both airplanes. I flew the ATR42/72 in the midwest, and now i fly the Dash8 so I kow whats up.

Both airplanes are very similar in componants. they both carry the PW-120 series engine (different models and SHP ratings depending on exact configuration). Its a great engine, positivley bullet proof. The electrical systems and fuel systems are also extremely similar in design and operation. The Dash's panel (100/200/300 series) is a little less user freindly than the ATR, and is not lit as well at night.

Differences? the Dash has a hydraulic rudder and the ATR does not. Rudder forces are alieviated by a spring tab in that airplane. The ATR and Dash both have Hydraulic flight spoilers to augment roll control, but the dash has two panels per wing and the ATR only one. The Dash is, in general, better put together and tougher than the ATR (duh, it's built by dehavilland!), but is a little harder to fly as the control forces are a little too light, especially coming from the ATR! It is also harder to land softly in the dash 8 due to the landing gear configuration. A little like jumping off your house with your knees locked.

As far as interior comfort goes, I have found the Dash to be superior to the ATR in all respects, especially in our -200's with the NVS (noise/vibration reduction system). More legroom and better airflow. The flight deck is the same story... better temperature control on the dash makes all the difference.

Both the ATR and the Dash 8 are great airplanes and I just love them both. Oh yeah.... don't listen to people who say the ATR is no good in the ice. Take from someone who has seen A LOT of ice in the ATR, it is a wonderful weather airplane. You just have to use the systems properly.


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