Czbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 932 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2635 times:
I've noticed here at YVR that Philippine Airlines' A340s are registered in France. I've never seen this sort of an arrangement before and doing a Wikipedia search I see that Philippine Airlines has both French and American registrations for their aircraft in addition to a few Philippine-registered A/C. (Their A-330s and A-340s are registered as F-O" and the B-747s have N numbers.) Wiki Article: Scroll to "Fleet"
How and why is it that Philippine Airlines flies with foreign registered aircraft? Are the aircraft operated under Philippine law or under French and American laws depending on the A/C?
YOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4781 posts, RR: 17 Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
This is very common. If aircraft are leased or financed they are often registered in the home countries of the leasing/financing companies who are involved.
COSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2520 times:
Easier to Reposess the Aircraft , under Philippine law it is almost impossible.. the planes just sit FOREVER there are many exaamples in MNL CRK SFS rotting away.. One GrandAir is still in CRK rusting away ... There was a US marshall show a few years back where the Marshall "arrested" a PAL 747-400 at the gate in LAX untill the bill was paid..
Czbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2342 times:
Does that mean the aircraft and crew must conform to French and American laws depending on the country of registration? If so, how does that work? Are the air crews French and American?
COSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2234 times:
Nothing to do with the Crews but the A/C has to be maintained according to the French or US Airworthiness regulations not really a problem as most of the rules are almost the same...and many PAL A&P's hold US FAA Licenses also....Its more a paperwork and Records issue than anything else there are many N and F-0 (French Overseas) operating world wide also EI (Ireland) and P4 (Aruba) are popular...
Im glad PAL got thier plane out of Hoc and back in the air...
Jasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1994 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10): However, PR is slowly re-registering certain aircraft with foreign registrations and is giving them Filipino registrations (RP-C****).
You're probably talking about certain units that were purchased by PR.
EXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1973 times:
sounds a bit like Alitalia, their MDs and some A320s are Italian registered, but some A320s, 767s, 777s and MD11Fs are Irish registered - EI- instead of I-
AF BE BY FR MV PD SZ U2 VZ DHC6, 8-3/4Q, 732/8, 763ER, A319, A380
Lufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3174 posts, RR: 47 Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1973 times:
Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 11): Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10):
However, PR is slowly re-registering certain aircraft with foreign registrations and is giving them Filipino registrations (RP-C****).
You're probably talking about certain units that were purchased by PR.
-jasp
None of the A330/340 or B747 have been re-registered.
A320 series have been delivered with RP-C regos, the ex-CP 744 likewise. Only re-registered aircraft might have been the B737s (1 left) from EI to RP-C, though not sure about that.
RFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6145 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1935 times:
One of the problem of registering certain aircraft in a country such as the Philippines is certification of the aircraft.
Basically the Philippine version of the FAA has to hire or train enough expertise locally to be able to inspect and verify the aircraft meet standards. For many types it's just a whole lot cheaper to have the registration and certification remain in another country.
While a country can just register any aircraft without having that expertise, it can run into problems with their certification being not recognized in other countries. In some cases, national pride requires local registration - and they have to establish complex agreements to have a nation with expertise supervise and run their aircraft certification programs. Australia does this for several small nations in Oceania - at a healthy profit I'm sure.
No disrespect to the Philippines intended or implied. You just have to have a certain number of aircraft to justify the expense.
I don't remember the specific model - but there is one of the Boeing B737 series which cannot be registered in Canada I've been told. That is why the only Canada based model of that aircraft is registered in Aruba. (Though that story always seemed a bit fishy to me)
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1910 times:
Quoting YOWza (Reply 1): This is very common. If aircraft are leased or financed they are often registered in the home countries of the leasing/financing companies who are involved.
Another example is Aeroflot. All their current Boeing and Airbus aircraft are registered in Bermuda to avoid high Russian taxes on foreign-built aircraft imported to Russia. If memory correct, their A310s (no longer in service) were registered in France.
DEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4425 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1910 times:
Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 13): None of the A330/340 or B747 have been re-registered.
While the A330/A340s are likely on lease, this 744 originally ordered by PR but delivered instead to Canadian - finally got its Philippine registration.....
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