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SQ A380 SIN-LHR-SIN Flight Numbers Posted  
User currently offline747Dreamlifter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9341 times:

Sorry if this was previously posted.....could not find in "Topic Search".

Singapore Airlines has designated flight # 322 (SIN to LHR) and # 317 (LHR to SIN) for their A380 start-up to London Heathrow, but did not provide exact date when service is to begin. SQ indicated that service could not commence until both 9V-SKB, and 9V-SKC are delivered and flights should commence before end of March 2008.

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http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-for-a380-at-london-heathrow.html
Present SQ Timetable:

(SIN to LHR) SQ#322 dep 23:20 (11:20pm) arriving in LHR 05:25+1 (5:25am) next day morning.

(LHR to SIN) SQ#317 dep 11:00 (11:00am) arriving in SIN 07:40+1 (7:40am) next day morning.
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User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9256 times:

Out of curiosity, with the amount of time sitting at SIN, would they be able to make a regional flight such as SIN-HKG during those day hours, I think the LHR sector takes a little more than 13 hours.

User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9210 times:



Quoting Vincewy (Reply 1):
I think the LHR sector takes a little more than 13 hours.

LHR-SIN is around 11.30 to 12.00 hours, SIN-LHR varies from 12.30 to 13.00...

is it worth running the risk of a 380 going tech in HKG? I think not..



flying is the safest form of transport - until humans get involved!
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9186 times:



Quoting Vincewy (Reply 1):
Out of curiosity, with the amount of time sitting at SIN, would they be able to make a regional flight such as SIN-HKG during those day hours, I think the LHR sector takes a little more than 13 hours

Sitting at SIN? It would most likely not be the same aircraft that arrive in SIN at the morning that returns to LHR in the evening. Remember the first 3 aircrafts will be flying SIN-LHR-SIN-SYD-SIN


User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9091 times:



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Thread starter):
SQ indicated that service could not commence until both 9V-SKB, and 9V-SKC are delivered

What do you think they'll do with 9V-SKB until 9V-SKC arrives?

Ciao
Joe


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21476 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

I wonder if they will send the second A380 on SIN-SYD-SIN as a sub for the first few days until the third A380 arrives?

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 3):
It would most likely not be the same aircraft that arrive in SIN at the morning that returns to LHR in the evening.

Yes it would. No matter how you slice it, the first 3 A380s will be "resting" in SIN a cumulative 20+ hours a day. That's some light fleet utilization. To start out.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8687 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Yes it would. No matter how you slice it, the first 3 A380s will be "resting" in SIN a cumulative 20+ hours a day. That's some light fleet utilization. To start out.

Do you mean compared to the time of:

BA 747's accumulate in JFK every day
QF 747's sitting in LHR 12 hours every day
UA 747's in SFO every night
SAA in LHR every day
BA 747 in SYD every day

No different to any other long haul aircraft utilisation.

at the end of the day.. if you run it 20 hours a day and it goes tech.. that delay with only 3 aircraft will never shrink without needing a standby or a cx.. and if you dont have one big enough... you dont have one...

why risk revenue and credibilty for a couple of hours of "fun" when anything else will do the same job.


Currently the A380 is cheaper than a 747, carries 100 pax more and high in the PR stakes for the airline.


why use an articulated lorry to deliver a pint of milk ?



So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21476 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8554 times:



Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 6):
BA 747's accumulate in JFK every day
QF 747's sitting in LHR 12 hours every day
UA 747's in SFO every night
SAA in LHR every day
BA 747 in SYD every day

I'm only talking about the time they sit in SIN. They are basically sitting in SIN for 7-8 hours a day after flying 1.5 legs in the day.

You also need to add in 4 hours in LHR and 2 in SYD, and you are basically using 3 A380s for this route, but only an average of 14 hours of block time a day.

It's low, but obviously there are reasons some airlines have to do it, but not generally at their hubs. It's one thing if a route requires you to sit a plane at a destination, quite another if it sits at your hub/base.

For UA at SFO or QF at LAX, they cycle planes through there for maintenance, but they don't have their entire fleet of 747s there daily.

I'm not saying SQ is wrong for doing this. They want to have 100% reliability, with on time flights and perfect aircraft. i think that's a good idea. but it doesn't change the fact the utilization is low.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8500 times:



Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 4):
What do you think they'll do with 9V-SKB until 9V-SKC arrives?

Ciao
Joe

Sub it on existing 744 routes until 9V-SKC is on the premises  hyper 



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8335 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
It's low, but obviously there are reasons some airlines have to do it, but not generally at their hubs. It's one thing if a route requires you to sit a plane at a destination, quite another if it sits at your hub/base.

They probably does it to make their schedule fit. Remember, you usually need more than 3 aircrafts for an efficient operation and as more 380 comes in the the fleet this will change as it then will be put on more routes. SYD-SIN-LHR return requires around 2,5 aircraft which means SQ will have 0.5 aircraft "too much" after taken their 3rd delivery


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8322 times:

Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Thread starter):
Singapore Airlines has designated flight # 322 (SIN to LHR) and # 317 (LHR to SIN) for their A380 start-up to London Heathrow, but did not provide exact date when service is to begin.

I thought it's been known for at least 1 year it will be 317/322. Why is it suddenly a topic worthy of its own thread!?

[Edited 2007-12-18 22:22:36]


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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2367 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8292 times:



Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 4):
What do you think they'll do with 9V-SKB until 9V-SKC arrives?

Airbus will park it. It will be delivered as close as possible with SKC, similar to what Boeing does at Seattle.



oh boy!!!
User currently offline747Dreamlifter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8048 times:



Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 4):
What do you think they'll do with 9V-SKB until 9V-SKC arrives?

I think SQ could use it for another SIN-SYD-SIN.....There load factors to and from Australia are very good, and it is "part two" of the "Kangaroo Route".

Then again, they may also need it for a route and systems proving flights to London. Big grin


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7919 times:



Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 6):
Do you mean compared to the time of:

BA 747's accumulate in JFK every day
QF 747's sitting in LHR 12 hours every day
UA 747's in SFO every night
SAA in LHR every day
BA 747 in SYD every day

No different to any other long haul aircraft utilisation.

at the end of the day.. if you run it 20 hours a day and it goes tech.. that delay with only 3 aircraft will never shrink without needing a standby or a cx.. and if you dont have one big enough... you dont have one...

Nothing to do with worrying about whether an aircraft goes tech. All of these long haul layovers are due to slots and time zones which all constrain when you can run the flight.
The SQ aircraft will sit at LHR for a few hours in the morning as if it turned round and left LHR at 0800 it would arrive in SIN in the middle of the night.
The SQ317 arrival could probably be turned round to become the SQ320 in SIN but at the moment they don;t have enough aircraft to be able to sustain a daily A380 service on more that one flight.
Utilisation is generally lower until an airline can get more aircraft to service more routes regularly. I am sure it was a similar story with the 744.


User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7849 times:

Would it be nice if they could do a short flight to Jakarta or Kaula Lumpur so that more of the crew can be trained?


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User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

Damn, I fly LHR-SIN on 16 Feb, I will just miss it!!!!!!

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 14):
Would it be nice if they could do a short flight to Jakarta or Kaula Lumpur so that more of the crew can be trained?

Yes, please!!!!


Regards,
LO231



Got both LO 788 frames already, next LO E95 and 734 BRU-WAW-BRU
User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7361 times:



Quoting Vincewy (Reply 1):
Out of curiosity, with the amount of time sitting at SIN, would they be able to make a regional flight such as SIN-HKG during those day hours, I think the LHR sector takes a little more than 13 hours.

Aircraft need service. Generally airlines do an A-check every 25 hours flying time. This can take an hour or so, but still has to be scheduled with maintenance. It is not usually done while sitting at the gate during daylight hours.

In addition, airplanes flying intercontinental are more carefully maintained. If an oven or other passenger convenience goes out on a domestic US flight, they will just write it up and let it be fixed on the next scheduled maintenance. On long intercontinental flights, airlines prefer that everything works on the airplane.


User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7351 times:



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Thread starter):
SQ indicated that service could not commence until both 9V-SKB, and 9V-SKC are delivered and flights should commence before end of March 2008.



Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 4):
What do you think they'll do with 9V-SKB until 9V-SKC arrives?



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
I wonder if they will send the second A380 on SIN-SYD-SIN as a sub for the first few days until the third A380 arrives?



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 11):
Airbus will park it. It will be delivered as close as possible with SKC, similar to what Boeing does at Seattle.

I thought SKB is supposed to be delivered to SQ at the beginning of January. If SKC isn't being delivered until March, that is a lot of money to park for 2-3 months. Why wouldn't they use it temporarily on a shorter run, like NRT-SIN? If SYD can be done with one, so can NRT.

SIN-SYD 3,395 nm
SIN-NRT 2,889 nm


User currently offline747Dreamlifter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7304 times:



Quoting United787 (Reply 17):
I thought SKB is supposed to be delivered to SQ at the beginning of January. If SKC isn't being delivered until March, that is a lot of money to park for 2-3 months. Why wouldn't they use it temporarily on a shorter run, like NRT-SIN? If SYD can be done with one, so can NRT.

SIN-SYD 3,395 nm
SIN-NRT 2,889 nm

GOOD THOUGHT....United787

I think they might even do it as a familiarization run to NRT. But very doubtful they would put it up for revenue only to pull it off when SKC arrives.....Completing the "Kangaroo Route" is far more valuable for SQ. Japan was next on the agenda after the LHR route is well in place.

9V-SKD should be arriving in April, and SKE before year end. Now this could change if Airbus can speed-up production and delivery beyond what's promised.

Cheers.


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7156 times:

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 16):
Aircraft need service. Generally airlines do an A-check every 25 hours flying time. This can take an hour or so, but still has to be scheduled with maintenance. It is not usually done while sitting at the gate during daylight hours.

This would be a daily check in some airlines terminology, and can be done at the gate, most airlines I know do this sort of check on the gate, unless there is something specific where they have to drag it to the hanger.

[Edited 2007-12-20 01:17:15]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24906 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6863 times:



Quoting Theginge (Reply 13):
Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 6):
Do you mean compared to the time of:

QF 747's sitting in LHR 12 hours every day

No different to any other long haul aircraft utilisation. At the end of the day.. if you run it 20 hours a day and it goes tech.. that delay with only 3 aircraft will never shrink without needing a standby or a cx.. and if you dont have one big enough... you dont have one...

Nothing to do with worrying about whether an aircraft goes tech. All of these long haul layovers are due to slots and time zones which all constrain when you can run the flight.

QF's 4 daily 744s to LHR average about 9 hours on the ground at LHR. One of them is there over 15 hours.

Arrive...Depart
0525....1115
0620....1225
0625....2145
1330....2200


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