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What Defines A Legacy Carrier?  
User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

I have no idea whether it is time flying, size, a government designation or what.
I suspect there will be some discussion about what everyone understands by legacy carrier.
pZ


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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1562 times:

I believe it refers to those airlines that existed prior to the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978.


American
United
Delta
Continental
Northwest
US Air
Alaska
Southwest

[Edited 2007-12-18 17:22:40]


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1543 times:



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):

add US



yep.
User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):
American
United
Delta
Continental
Northwest
Alaska
Southwest



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):
add US

...and subtract AS and WN. There are six legacy carriers:

US Airways
United Airlines
Delta Air Lines
Northwest Airlines
Continental Airlines
American Airlines


edit: left out AA. whoops!

[Edited 2007-12-18 17:28:45]


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1525 times:



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 3):
...and subtract AS and WN. There are five legacy carriers:

more like six DL,AA,UA,NW,CO,US



yep.
User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1515 times:



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 3):
...and subtract AS and WN. There are five legacy carriers:

US Airways
United Airlines
Delta Air Lines
Northwest Airlines
Continental Airlines

Both were carriers prior to 1978 and fit the legacy definition.



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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

I believe it has to do with revenue strategy... i.e. WN, B6 and US (LCC) have worked twards a larger Middle of the road approach where as "legacies" utilize the extremes.... also hub/focus city strategy play into it.... I know in the USA, generally AA, UA, DL, CO, NW are considered "Legacy carriers", while US (LCC), WN, F9, AS, NK, Skybus, FL are all LCCs....


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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4):

more like six DL,AA,UA,NW,CO,US

Yep, my fault, thanks for the correction.

[Edited 2007-12-18 17:28:14]


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User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1496 times:



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 5):
Both were carriers prior to 1978 and fit the legacy definition.

Alaska could be one but Southwest seems to market themselves as an LCC.


Just my opinion, but I think that there are only seven (AA, UA, DL, NW, CO, US, AS)


Mason



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1496 times:



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 5):
Both were carriers prior to 1978 and fit the legacy definition.

but they call them selfs LCCs(as does US but we still call them a legacy for some reason)



yep.
User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

for kicks... can be defined as:

an airline entity that existed in a regulated environment prior to 1978 that, in collection with it's peer lagacy entities, spent billions of dollars and dedicated trillions of manhours building scheduling long-lasting paradigms, airport improvements, establishing consumer pricing and revenue control models, and partnering in the development of countless aircraft designs that still hold the test of time today.........in essence laying the framework of the USA's commerical aviation infrastructure.....

.......only to be trounced and beaten silly by post-deregulation carriers that did none of this, yet reap the benefits while they drag said legacies into the mire.

I know, overblown - but thought it was humorous. FYI, I consider WN a legacy carrier whether WN does or not. "Legacy" doesn't have to mean "cheap" - to me it means the definition of the word legacy itself - in short - "one that brings history." But I guess it's just a matter of opinion. I think the term was made up on Wall Street anyway.



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

How about this for a definition...
An interstate or international carrier which operated during the time period which airlines were regulated, before 1978.

That would leave WN off the list and still encompass everyone we see today as legacies.


User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1337 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 10):
Legacy" doesn't have to mean "cheap

pardon - meant to say "legacy" doesn't have to mean "expensive" - as in vs. LCC.

To further the point - Midwest is not a legacy, and it's not really an LCC either. Some might say the same of Virgin America.

Also begs another interesting question:

Does "LCC" mean low-cost on the consumer pricing side...... or..... low cost on the airline's expense side. Hmm. Meditate on this question I will (with Yoda) and get back to you all.



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1336 times:



Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 11):

So your saying that when in 1971 when WN operated DAL to HOU/SAT interstate this would leave them out of what is defined as a legacy?

FYI: Interstate means relating to or existing within the boundaries of a state. DAL-HOU and DAL-SAT would mean that.



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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

BeoingFever -

Actually - intERstate is between states. IntRAstate is within a state.

That's why we call our federal highways "interstate expressways"



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