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DL To Order 777s Instead Of 787s?  
User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 12884 times:

I was wondering the other day why DL hadn't placed an order for the 787 yet but they placed orders for the 772LR, and i thought that maybe DL would stick with the 777 for a while longer until they really needed the 787. The 772LR would compare with the 787-9 (closest i could find since the 787-10 is not official) they are close in seats (3-class according to wikipedia) and the 789 adds about 500NM to the 772LRs range. DL might not need a plane that can fly 8,000 nm. They are expanding quickly and need more planes, the 787s would not arrive for a while and the 777s are available sooner. My idea is they stick with the 777LR for international flights for now. Eventually the 767s will need to be replaced and then DL could order the 787-3 to replace its domestic 767s, the 767s can last a while longer and i'm sure DL would get a good deal on the poor selling 787-3s while leaving the largest international travel to the 777s.

Would this work or does someone see a 787 coming very soon?

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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2526 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 12848 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Thread starter):
Would this work or does someone see a 787 coming very soon?

I'm not sure how soon, but I'd say a 787 order is coming from DL. They can't use 777's for all the missions that the 787 would serve, the 777 is larger than the smaller variants of the 787 and as you know, DL has a boatload of 767's in their fleet. They may be OK for a while, but eventually they are going to need to be replaced.


User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 12743 times:

If I am not mistaken, DL has simply converted existing 777-200ER to 777-200LR. These are existing orders. I think AA, UA and DL will extract another 8 years or so out of their 767s - hence the large refurb investment (777 style interior/bins, lie flat biz class, etc).


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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 12735 times:

I think a few things are holding both DL, UA, and AA back from a 787 commitment at the moment.

For one, there's the financials. While everyone's doing better than they were 2-5 years ago to be sure, balance sheets are still subpar even for an industry where the expected ROI is abyssmal. It's not a matter of "can they afford it" but more or less a condition of "do they need to" from a right-now standpoint.

Two, the atmosphere of M&A in the industry, real or just a figment of institutional investor's imaginations, would naturally make one hesitant for a huge order committment. Despite some of the feelings on here about fleet commonality, it's not so much about that as it is about dipping into a consolidation proposition with an attractive financial posture. As well, should consolidation occur, volume will certainly play a role in pricing. IE - Delta+United as one buyer will get a sweeter deal on 100 787's than either would score on 50 frames each. I feel (not an expert opinion here but just a gut) this is why you see Delta tip toeing with small committments for 77L's instead of making one larger committment for anything else.

Three, the 787's not exactly a demonstrated feat yet. It's not even flown. While I have high hopes and a big heart for this georgeous bird, that fact coupled with the "potential" of the 350XWB, these 3 legacies may want to just wait and see how it performs and whether it delivers what it promises and can truly command the price. Remember, both AA and DL in particular got BURNED by the MD-11 in relatively the same fashion. I'm certainly not comparing the ole MD to the 787, but it's something to consider when you wonder why they've not taken the leap of faith yet.

Just my non-expert thoughts, Im sure given A-net that someone else smarter than I will correct everything I've said.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 12508 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 3):
I feel (not an expert opinion here but just a gut) this is why you see Delta tip toeing with small committments for 77L's instead of making one larger committment for anything else.

well thats more or less because as soon as a early slot on the 777 line opens up Boeing gives Delta a call......not so much they didn't have the money or didn't want to commit but more of a "why order 12 now when we can order 12 over 6 months and get them 3 years ahead of if we order them all at one time"



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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 12371 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4):
"why order 12 now when we can order 12 over 6 months and get them 3 years ahead of if we order them all at one time"

Not sure I follow you there guy - can you explain your thought? DL's slots for these birds already existed, so there's not much of a sales effort involved on Boeing's part. The way I understand it right now, it's not extremely difficult to get a reasonable (T minus 2 yrs or so) delivery slot on a T7 right now as the delivery schedules for sales on the books are stretched out for years based on customer's needs (ie - not everyone needs their T7 fleet delivered ASAP.)

Hey - love the name by the way - nice to see another Tristar fan!



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 12282 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 3):
"can they afford it" but more or less a condition of "do they need to" from a right-now standpoint.

but they need to order it soon to get the planes when they need them.


User currently offlineDL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

I wonder if DL would consider trying Airbus again? I think the odds might be higher now that there are 2 ex NW people running dl. Comments???

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 12213 times:



Quoting Baron95 (Reply 2):
DL will extract another 8 years or so out of their 767s

I don't know about American but a good part of Delta's 767ER fleet was delivered in mid 90's. I expect the newer ones to be in the fleet for about another 12-14 years with the older ones being replaced within the next 6-8 years.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 12042 times:

expect more 77Ls in DL's fleet over time...


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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 12000 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 9):
expect more 77Ls in DL's fleet over time...

can you give some more information?

Quoting DL1011 (Reply 7):
I wonder if DL would consider trying Airbus again? I think the odds might be higher now that there are 2 ex NW people running dl. Comments???

i seriously doubt it. They have a huge relationship with boeing already. They have their "gentlemen's agreement" which i'm sure helps DL a lot. Plus i think Boeing is/was one of DLs biggest creditors during bankruptcy. I just find it really doubtful that they would move back to airbus. besides... what would they get? A330s? They are technically outdated when looking at the time they could get some 787s to replace their 767s.


User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11965 times:

Delta should order A350XWBs. Airbus would love such a big airlines business, and could probably sell them all 3 versions of the A350.
Delta will be waiting a while for either the 787 or A350. And they'll also be waiting while saving up lots of cash to pay for many new widebodies. In the mean time, Airbus might be willing to help them out with some creative down payment schedules.
Everybody probably has a lot of reasons why Delta won't order Airbus; but what are some reasons why they shouldn't?


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11726 times:

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 2):
If I am not mistaken, DL has simply converted existing 777-200ER to 777-200LR. These are existing orders.

5 out of 6 . DL placed an order for 1 additional 777 earlier this year, and DL also has BOD approval for 2 more 77Ls for a total of 8 on order (for now), though those 2 do not yet appear on Boeing's site.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8):
I don't know about American but a good part of Delta's 767ER fleet was delivered in mid 90's. I expect the newer ones to be in the fleet for about another 12-14 years with the older ones being replaced within the next 6-8 years.

Sounds about right. The first 763ERs were delivered in June 1990 and of the 53 763ERs DL bought directly from Boeing, only 14 were delivered before 1995, and the large majority of them were delivered 1995-2000, so the average age is probably around 10 years, so they most definitely still have quite some life in them. Not to mention the 764s of course, all delivered in 2000-2002, with an average age of around 7 years. Those could easily go with DL till 2020 or so.

Quoting DL1011 (Reply 7):
I wonder if DL would consider trying Airbus again?

Consider, yes. Actually order, I doubt.

[Edited 2007-12-19 02:20:11]

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6475 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 11496 times:



Quoting DL1011 (Reply 7):
wonder if DL would consider trying Airbus again? I think the odds might be higher now that there are 2 ex NW people running dl. Comments???

Those two people had nothing to do with NWA ordering Airbus aircraft.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 11431 times:



Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 11):
Everybody probably has a lot of reasons why Delta won't order Airbus; but what are some reasons why they shouldn't?

Delta would likely lose its access to preferential financial terms and delivery times it currently enjoys under its gentleman's agreement with Boeing.



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 11412 times:

The US legacy carriers are not going to be in a position to order the 787 for a while yet, primarily due to financials.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 11261 times:

.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 15):
The US legacy carriers are not going to be in a position to order the 787 for a while yet, primarily due to financials.

Except for CO and NWA who ordered the 787 back when it was the 7E7 in 2004.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 11099 times:



Quoting DL1011 (Reply 7):
I wonder if DL would consider trying Airbus again? I think the odds might be higher now that there are 2 ex NW people running dl. Comments???

I doubt there is any chance of DL ordering Airbus, they will honor that 1990s commitment to Boeing, and Boeing will give DL, (as well as CO and AA) their best price.

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 11):
Delta should order A350XWBs. Airbus would love such a big airlines business, and could probably sell them all 3 versions of the A350.
Delta will be waiting a while for either the 787 or A350. And they'll also be waiting while saving up lots of cash to pay for many new widebodies. In the mean time, Airbus might be willing to help them out with some creative down payment schedules.
Everybody probably has a lot of reasons why Delta won't order Airbus;

Remeber, DL inharited the old PA A-310-300s, and didn't like them. I think DL will stay away from Airbus.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9582 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 10):
Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 9):
expect more 77Ls in DL's fleet over time...

can you give some more information?

Don't expect any more out of Alitalia744 than a statement that will leave you guessing.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9348 times:



Quoting ER757 (Reply 1):
DL has a boatload of 767's in their fleet

This is a question I've wondered about. As the 787s come in, will the 767 leave the fleet, or be re -- assigned to new routes? Not only on DL, but other carriers as well. After all, the first 787 is due to fly next year (we hope!!).

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 15):
The US legacy carriers are not going to be in a position to order the 787 for a while yet, primarily due to financials.

On the other hand, with Boeing exporting so many planes, it does help the US trade deficit.

I think AA in particular will wait until labor has ratified contracts before purchasing anything big (except what has already been ordered).

I was surprised that CO has ordered as many as they have. They too have a decent number of 767s.

Dave



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User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9089 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8):
I don't know about American but a good part of Delta's 767ER fleet was delivered in mid 90's. I expect the newer ones to be in the fleet for about another 12-14 years with the older ones being replaced within the next 6-8 years.

You are of course correct on DL. AAs 767s are a bit older. Obviously how long they'd keep the 767 will depend on a number of factors. Fuel price, competition, the deal they can get from Boeing on a 787. I should have said "at least" 8 years since that is the average time for an A/C refurb to last (well except for the major US airlnes that are flying with 10+ years old interiors).

Furthermore, don't expect that the 787 will be a 1-1 replacement for 767ERs. It is clear that DL (in particular) + UA + AA will increasingly shift their mainline network to international service. I expect theis short haul fleet to decline slightly and their long haul fleet to grow. These airlines believe they fould the gold mine trail by staying away from LCC competition (except out of their fortress hubs), and banking on globalization, open-skies, etc to increase their more profitable international routes. I can see DL easily ordering 25+25 787s with the first few being for growth, the second batch being for 767 replacement.



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User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8613 times:

Look at DL's order history over time... they have tended to shy away from the big order. Instead they gradually buy or lease planes as needed to fill specific missions.

I would expect DL to order 787s when, and only when, they have a mission where the 787s would be more cost-effective than either 763ERs or 772ER/LRs even considering the cost of acquiring the 787s. I think this will happen as some of their thinner medium-haul routes grow to the point where they could use more pax and cargo capacity than the 763ER has. If they don't need the extra capacity, they can acquire newer used 763ERs for cheap as 787s come into service with other airlines... but some routes just will work better with a 787 than with either of the older planes.

So I predict DL will put a small batch (like 6 or 8) of 787s into service around 2012-2013, when the 763ER is at more of a competitive disadvantage than it is now. The first batch might well be leased. As DL replaces the older birds in its 763ER fleet, which will need to be retired throughout the 2010s, it will place additional small orders. A large order wouldn't match market conditions or DL's history.

[Edited 2007-12-19 10:53:07]

User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 8566 times:

I'd love to see a 787 with "Spirit of Delta" in 1980s livery.

I understand this is currently planned for a 777LR.

[Edited 2007-12-19 10:55:52]


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 8460 times:

Also, don't forget about a replacement for the domestic 767-300s. Most likely when the 787 replaces the 767-300ER on international routes, some of the remaining 767-300ERs may be converted to domestic configuration. However, since Delta is installing new seats and IFE on the domestic 767-300s, they are not going anywhere in the short term.


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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 8278 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
Remeber, DL inherited the old PA A310-300s, and didn't like them. I think DL will stay away from Airbus.

And 7 A310-200s. Of the 23 A310-300s, 9 were delivered new to DL in 1993, two years after PA shut down.


25 NYC777 : I think you can expect a DL 787 order by next summer IMHO.
26 Post contains links DeltaL1011man : no thats all i will say is no from what i under stand Delta is now ordering the 77Ls as slots open up(the first 5 where 772ERs that where coming next
27 Post contains links 1337Delta764 : Just to let you know, as I posted in an earlier thread, Delta has reserved registration numbers for 30 aircraft from N701xx-N730xx. Most of them featu
28 HOOB747 : Query, what's "LCC" competition? Haven't heard that acronym before.
29 Nycbjr : Low Cost Carrier, like Jetblue, or Airtran etc. reguards
30 Sh0rtybr0wn : That would be bold. 30 ? Wow. Serious expansion possibilities with those planes. When would they get all of them? By when ? But if I was buying plane
31 MPDPilot : I just had a thought. So I have heard and the Boeing website conferms that the 787 wingspan is considerably larger with the -8 and -9 compared to the
32 1337Delta764 : Good point. Howeve, most of Delta's international flights use Concourse E, in which all of its gates can handle a 777. With Concourse F being added,
33 Alitalia744 : There is nothing more to be said really. If it wasn't clear, re-read it again. 30 is not the number.
34 SeaBosDca : Neither the A350-900 nor the A350-1000 would make a remotely satisfactory 777-200LR replacement. They will probably have comparable capability to the
35 Micstatic : Why comment at all if you aren't going to shed light to help us read between the lines?
36 Rockinflyer : Commonality is one factor. They dumped their A310's as quickly as they could and the relationship with Boeing is just too strong. I see a trend back
37 DeltaL1011man : i hope your joking(all im going to say) o and if you did that have fun with the DALPA which "WILL NOT"fly scarebus i would bet its more (at least i h
38 MCOflyer : Really, what is? Hunter
39 1337Delta764 : I have recounted, and have found out that the number is 29. However, are there any other registration ranges reserved by Delta? N701xx-N730xx are all
40 FlyASAGuy2005 : Just a quick question, are the 777's being delievered with the lay flat seats? If not, does Delta have someone already lined up to do the mod before t
41 1337Delta764 : Yes, the 777-200LRs will feature the Contour Premium sleeper suites from the factory. Economy will feature slimline seats. I hope the economy seats f
42 DeltaL1011man : also note that all T7s and 767s will get the same lie-flat seats(just like ACs)all done by 2010 1337Delta764 i asked a good buddy who told me about t
43 FlyASAGuy2005 : Wow. I didn't know the 76's were getting it too. I thought it was only going on the 777's. I hate to seem to keep asking all these questions but i'm
44 MCOflyer : I would have thought DL would add headrest like CO has. Good to see 29 coming. I guess this will tie them with AA for number of T7's operated. Hunter
45 Delta4eva : Negative. The 767s will have different lie-flats. The ones that will be on the T7s are not optimal for the 76s.
46 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...it doesn't help Airbus that Boeing is part of DL's creditor's committee... ...
47 MPDPilot : thanks for the info it was very informative.
48 Jetlanta : Your buddy is mistaken. Delta4eva is correct. The 767's will get a new seat that will likely be considered quite superior to the 777 model. It's goin
49 Sh0rtybr0wn : I dont think so. The A350s , all models, more than make up for the slightly less cargo capacity by blowing the 777s out of the water in fuel efficien
50 Post contains images Alitalia744 : They won't. TOC doesn't like em', DALPA doesn't like em', there's a list a mile long. Correct - the Contour's require a severe reduction in BizE seat
51 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..your argument holds no water whatsoever.. .......for example.....even with EIS for the B787 next year, the A330 is having one of its best years, if
52 Jetlanta : So Delta should put it's ultra-long haul plans on hold for the better part of a decade? I'd like the math you used to determine your net present valu
53 Justloveplanes : How expensive is it to reserve a registration range? If its similar to say, reserving a web site name that a business may or may not use, then I don'
54 Post contains images SeaBosDca : Not on routes such as the ones where DL will use its 772LRs. Those are almost all over 6500 nm in length. On those routes, the cargo capacity is not
55 WestWing : I agree they are most likely LRs, but was the model for these two orders that showed up today formally disclosed? [EDIT: Never mind, I found the news
56 Ikramerica : DL firmed up their 2 additional 77Ls this week. Listed in Boeing weekly order update, and not as a UFO conversion either.
57 Post contains links Sh0rtybr0wn : Its kind of obvious people are so in love with the 777 they cant be objective anymore. The A350 will kill it. "Airbus claim that the A350-900 will hav
58 Jetlanta : 10 YEARS. What part of that don't people understand? It would take somewhere around a decade for Delta to get the airplane you are talking about. An
59 Jacobin777 : ..the problem is you refuse to look at the facts and answer the queries above....you can try there for starters....
60 JayinKitsap : But wait, QR also ordered 777's and 787's, SQ also ordered 777's and 787's, EK ordered a 12 pack more of 777's at Dubai. Yes, the 350XWB has got a lo
61 Post contains images Ikramerica : Nobody gets this. I don't know why. Availability for the A359 is now somewhere at 2015, and for only a limited number. Is DL supposed to wait 8 years
62 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..and this is where QF "missed the boat" and are now yapping about Boeing developing a B787-10HGW...had QF purchased the B773ER's earlier (Dixon has
63 Ikramerica : I've been saying this about Dixon for 3 years. He missed the boat, but even now, he could get some 77Ws both new and from lessors. All of his competi
64 Sh0rtybr0wn : Thats not fair. The Thread says 777 or 787. Delta wouldn't get 787s until about 2014, maybe a few planes a bit earlier. So when you think about it th
65 Congaboy : As mentioned in the stream regarding DL 757's, I really doubt you will see DL go with 787's outside of a lease because: 1/ As discussed, the 777 perfo
66 Ikramerica : 2009, 2010 at the latest (based on their choice of delivery times). DL converted 5 77E orders to 77L, ordered three more using purchase rights/agreem
67 Jacobin777 : ..there are many more ordering them, and looking at the order book, many are new carriers.... ...one should ask him this at a QF board meeting, if I
68 DL767captain : Ok can we please stop talking about Delta and the A350, its not going to happen, while DL could go with the A350 they have way too strong of a relati
69 Ikramerica : true. i was just thinking of direct competitors to QF who's CEO names I knew off hand. don't know AC's or QR's ceo, nor NZ. and of course boeing coul
70 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...by A.net standards, its great carriers are getting the A330 a few years down the line, even though the B787 EIS is next year...yet its some kind o
71 Post contains images SeaBosDca : No, but it makes a lot of sense to base the portion of the fleet dedicated to long missions with freight on a plane that can perform long missions wh
72 Post contains images Seabosdca : To be fair, the same a.netters are whining about the airlines buying new A330s... in a.net land, every airliner costs the same, selling every old air
73 Bobnwa : If you start that airline with that equipment, I will put you on my RR list immediately. Make sure you have a nice livery, also very important to A,n
74 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : ..don't put me in that camp mate... MyAviation.net photo: Photo © Jacobin777 ...I want 1st class with suites and showers..
75 ER757 : I don't recall ever reading anywhere that DL was vacillating between the two models. That was pure conjecture by the thread starter, not any sort of
76 DeltaL1011man : i was told its the same lie-flats as UA(which i just assumed where the same as the T7 lie-flats)
77 DeltaL1011man : read your own quote please "Airbus claim that the A350-900 will have an increase of 16% MWE per seat, 30% in block fuel per seat and 25% better cash
78 1337Delta764 : I would agree that the sleeper suites that UA is installing is more appropriate for a 767. Suprisingly, they are made by B/E Aerospace, the same comp
79 DeltaL1011man : ahhhh....ok i didn't know he just told me the same ones as UA(which i thought where the same as the 77Ls new seats) sorry about that guys
80 Jetlanta : Regardless of all of this, the seat Delta will use is not like any other business class seat seen in the skies today. It is nothing like either of th
81 B777ER : The number is 25 total 777's in DL's fleet. Came right from Anderson's mouth.
82 Sh0rtybr0wn : So they have 8 200ERs now. Does that mean they intend to order 17 more 777-200LRs in total ?
83 B777ER : Delta actually now has 8 on order. So if you believe the CEO, yes, 9 more will be ordered eventually.
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