Eajpecrca From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 38 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12599 times:
A BA steward was appparently hungry and ate a muffin that would have been discarded. He was accused of theft. This instance is a bit over the top as presented, but it made me think about the issue of employee accountability. I'm sure there is more to this story than shows up in the article.
The article raises some questions for me. I used to work as a manager in a supermarket. Shoplifting was always a problem, of course, but I had to watch the employees too! How strict are airlines with regard to inventory of goods on their planes? I can imagine low paid FA's considering pocketing a soda or some wine. How often do such thefts occur? How do employers react to such pilfering?
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 30073 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12577 times:
Quoting Eajpecrca (Thread starter): A BA steward was appparently hungry and ate a muffin that would have been discarded. He was accused of theft.
Just shows how BA has gone to the dogs with all this PC Cr@p. First you cant wear a cross and now they think so little of their employees that a muffin that is being thrown away cant be eaten by their own staff!!!!
Maybe time to walk off the job and put manners on BA management . Im not in favor of strikes normally but BA would be asking for it of they got one !!!
Futurecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12586 times:
So, a muffin destined for the trash anyway, then eaten by an employee, is theft? That is one of the strictest policies I've ever heard. If something is going in the trash anyway I say let the employee eat it.
I think it would be different with alcohol or goods that can be kept and used on the next flight, but food gets put in thr trash so why cant an employee eat a leftover muffin?
Perhaps the employee will make this a big story about how they have to eat leftovers because BA doesn't pay well enough to feed their employees so airline food on flights is all there is to eat all week. blah blah blah.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 22175 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12572 times:
Most companies allow employees to take "discards" of various kinds. Assuming this was a discard, seems over the top. But maybe this particular fellow has a history of issues? Do we know?
After all, there are always headlines like: 'man gets life in prison for stealing pizza.' (true story) When the story is actually told, the man has 20 convictions for theft, assault, manslaughter, etc. over 20 years (which means 100's more he wasn't caught for) and this 'pizza theft' was the last straw, a violation of clear probation rules laid out to him where he was told "it's your last chance" and the guy still stole the pizza.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
BlueFlyer From Tuvalu, joined Jan 2006, 4945 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12551 times:
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1): In other words there is more to this story then meets the eye.
Quoting Eajpecrca (Thread starter): A BA steward was appparently hungry and ate a muffin that would have been discarded
No one will ever get fired just for eating a muffin. Either a large part of the story is missing, or this particular steward was at the end of a long line of screw-ups that had earned him a spot on the "fire as soon as possible" list, and the muffin was the proverbial drop in the bucket that BA needed.
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PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12379 times:
Does anyone remember a news program that would have been from the 1980's on a TWA flight attendant who was fired for drinking a milk that was going to be discarded?
As I recall, it was a flight to Paris, and at the end of the flight, the f/a drank that milk. Someone from "higher up" (whose sole job was, I'm sure, to nitpick and micro-manage employees and destroy all signs of morale) had her arrested for "stealing company property" and had her fired.
The program was something like 20/20, or Dateline, or another one of those shows. She went on the air and pointed out that the milk was going to be thrown away anyway, and she did account for the carton.
Keep in mind, this was the Draconian era of Carl Icahn, so I wouldn't doubt it at all.
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Bmiexpat From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12277 times:
It might seem harsh but at the end of the day misappropriation of company property is theft, whether we are talking a muffin from the inflight service or cash from the ticket desk. The company has duty to investigate all instances and deal with each case in a consistent manner to ensure that all employees are treated in a fair way. If indeed he ends up being fired simply for stealing a muffin, then it would be an over reaction, but we do not know if he is already on a final warning for other offences and therefore a sacking would be justified.
To be honest though, the article can't seem to make up it's mind whether he is suspended... first it says he has been, and then at the end it says that BA denies that he has been suspended???? The article is a lot of hot air with nothing to back it up so I don't know what all the fuss on here is about!
I totally believe this. Despite being perishable, it is a so-called inventoried item. I would expect this action to be taken by a North American carrier, but obviously the mentality has crossed the Atlantic. In this day and age, I wouldn't remove a pen from the aircraft.
Varig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1609 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12158 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 2): muffin that is being thrown away cant be eaten by their own staff!!!!
this policy applies also to some fast food chains btw, as well as to supermarket chains which prefer to throw away goods than making its low wage employees a "gift"
anyway, I assume BA took the "opportunity" that this particular FA was taken red handed eating a muffin to fire him because he was on the H.R. radar for a while already...old trick: it's like Al Capone falling for tax evasion
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B767300ER From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12094 times:
There are several points that are not addressed in this report. First there are crew meals aboard aircraft. Second for health
reasons why would anyone take any food item from a tray that had been distributed to a passenger. On any airline
that I worked for crew could avail themselves of any water or soft drinks. Only wine and liquor is inventoried and it
would inappropriate for crew to "drink" while on duty. I've worked for TWA, LH and DL. There is much more to this
story than we are being told. Dont jump to any conclusions, yet.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4578 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11995 times:
A friend of mine used to clean Martinair aircraft about 15 years ago. He took his own can of coca cola along with him to drink on the sweaty afternoon. Suddenly Martin Schröder, then founder of Martinair ran up the stairs of his DC-10 and screamed at the cleaning friend: "If this is a can of coke from the pantry, I'll take care this will be your last coke you ever drank at this premises!" He only cooled off later when he found out a different brand was catered.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
GT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1847 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11935 times:
On complimentary service, crew can normally have whatever is left. If it is a BOB service then fair enough I guess but it does seem a little heavy handed.
Quoting Eajpecrca (Thread starter): I can imagine low paid FA's considering pocketing a soda or some wine. How often do such thefts occur? How do employers react to such pilfering?
Just because someone is on low pay does not mean they are going to go stealing. I'm sure many people would find this assumption offensive. Besides, this is Europe and some BA crew are on considerably good salaries.
Mauiman31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11833 times:
I was an FA for a few years in the late 70's, so obviously, mine is not recent experience. In my flying days when -- we served full meals on the majority of flights -- lots of extra food was around. The liquor was strictly inventoried, of course. But, if someone ate something left over, in the galley, out of sight of the pax. Not an issue. "By the Book" - one was supposed to stick with crew meals provided. I will say that after the TWA FA strike in 80's - a senior FA and union activist was fired by the company for taking a couple of cartons of milk in her bag after a long haul flight. She was hungry and hadn't had a chance to eat anything for hours. It got a lot of press -- 60 Minutes did a story. She claimed retaliation because of her strike work -- TW said theft. As I recall TW won out.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13605 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11782 times:
First, here we go again, quoting a UK tabloid, never a good idea if you want accuracy and context, this particular one is owned by a group whose main rag has a visceral hatred for BA (some execs probably once didn't get an upgrade to First on a Club ticket maybe), really, you might as well ask David Irving about Nazi Germany.
However, the rules here are quite clear, on staff taking food/drink items.
BA may feel it starts with food, ends up with booze, where there was once a lot of the latter going on.
But I agree, there is likely a lot more to this, don't expect any kind of accuracy from these sorts of sources though.
Pacifique75 From Portugal, joined Oct 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11682 times:
I have a friend who flies for BA and I remember her mentioning once that onboard you can have whatever food/trays
are left after the service is done... However, you are not allowed to take home/off the aircraft any food!
Whilst I agree that being suspended for a muffin is just ridiculous, I feel there is more to this story
FURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11590 times:
Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 8): Do FAs from the US and other countries get free food? They dont brown bag it do they ?
At American, F/As don't get crew meals under a certain time threshold (8 hour blocktime?), but eat whatever leftovers there are from PAX (sometimes nothing, sometimes a lot) and it's not frowned upon, but encouraged.
Jasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11515 times:
Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 12): this policy applies also to some fast food chains btw, as well as to supermarket chains which prefer to throw away goods than making its low wage employees a "gift"
Supermarket chains throw foods away so employees can't have free lunch and to make their employees buy their own foods. It doesn't make sense that an airline would do the same because they don't make money from selling foods.
Star_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11356 times:
I can't believe that the vast majority of the people responding to this ridiculous story from a tabloid newspaper are taking it seriously, and are getting angry to such an extent. Did any of those people actually READ the story? Or just see the title, say "that's outrageous" and post away? Did the "half-baked" quote not ring any alarm bells that this story may not quite be what it seems? (does that phrase work west of the Atlantic? I'm not sure I've heard it there)....
Rest assured that BA is not suspending anyone for eating a leftover muffin. End of story, until some sort of report with actual facts in it is released
: Just read an internal memo about this. Apparantly Police and Customs have been doing a bit of a purge on inbound crews for theft and bringing in more
: I remember the incident where some AA ground employees were suspended for eating salad and half melted ice cream out of the galley of an inbound flig
: I worked at a supermarket for a while and the first thing that the new employees were told on theft was that 60% of it was by employees. The supermark
: What the Crap !!!!! I dont believe the senior mgmt at BA are so jobless to fire someone for a muffin. Rest assured they are loosing my biz as far as i
: What goes around comes around... More important than the issue that BA is having with this one individual is... The effect on morale this will have o
: I think it's not the "theft" itself that's the issue, it's the appearance of unprofessionalism that probably resulted in the suspension. I'll be the f
: Even though I wouldn't eat it after someone had touched it, I would have asked first. It's only a muffin for crying out loud! AC772
: I don't see anything ambigous about the article. I'm not familiar with the publication but it's pretty clear on what it says. A British Aiways FA has
: They also throw food away because it's past it's shelf life. They don't generally throw out items that are fit for sale. So if an employee eats it, a
: I can't be sure whose side to take on this issue. Though the food is all inventoried, I can't understand why everybody is up in knots about a muffin.
: It's interesting to see the diametrically opposed arguments here on a.net; particularly in this thread and the WN flight attendant "gay bashing" threa
: Many airlines have made similar rules regarding the wearing of religous artifacts or symbols on ones person or especially on a chain. Not just BA. An
: You, along with other posters on here, seriously need to get some perspective on this! The FA was not fired, only alledgedly suspended pending invest
: Is anyone actually reading this thread??? Or just jumping in with opinions from the headline? Nobody has been suspended as a result of stealing a muff
: I beleive it was 3 or 4 flight attendants on an AA international trip into MIA, went through customs, customs dug through their bags, found AA "food S
: If you're calling Branson a "loser", it's best to spell loser correctly, its a better insult that way. And I cant believe those AA FAs to MIA got fir
: Well I didnt mean so seriously..... But then I hope let there be more to this than what is said ! My real point is should BA look into such minor iss
: We just waste so much that other people could use. I remember being on a flight (not sure of the airline) where the uneaten prepackaged food items we
: ??? I'd hate to see how you deal with a serious issue! Read the article. Nobody has been suspended for eating a muffin What on earth is this meant to
: If someone can get suspended for wearing a necklace, surly eating a muffin will be punishable by... death? good god, BA don't half know how to make a
: I know it's a bad joke but if she was on regular duty on the JFK - CDG flights and planned on a long carrer with TWA, this little carton of milk prob
: Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 40): and the other looser running Virgin. Branson is not a looser, attacking my spelling is a true looser. Im at work, ap
: ... and there was also a lot more to the necklace issue than "BA suspend staff member for wearing cross necklace". I rather think it's outside observ
: It's more the newspaper misleading the public to get the desired "big business is evil" reaction. It's like saying: "man shot to death for holding a
: I completely agree. But I love the way some forum members are so self righteous that they jump to such conclusions, that BA is such a horrible employ
: "If an item has been expensed off, as in food since it can't be given out again, and no pax wanted it, it isn't theft. Especially if it is half eaten"
: I worked for a carrier that had very strict policies about theft. We were told in no uncertain terms that you cannot remove anything from the aircraft
: Wah Wah Oops, I see a lawsuit coming on for serving up half baked muffins Ding Ding, we have a winner, and the award for managing to diss Finnair in
: This is the first sentence of the linked article that began this thread! "British Airways have suspended a cabin crew steward for eating a muffin tha
54 David L
: Making a mountain out of a molehill... like taking a tabloid article at face value and not caring about the whole story, even after people in the ind
: Yea, your beloved AC treats guests the way BA treats their staff. If BA's standard for that is so bad, then it matches AC!!
: And if you had read the rest of the thread you would have known that BA havent suspended anyone for eating/stealing a muffin. Customs and Police have
: This thread still going on? Frightening, to see some be so swayed by an obviously piece of shit tabloid report. Then again, they are written to appeal
: What I'd like to know is who turned this guy in to management? They must have had a grudge against him for something so petty...